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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:11 PM Original message |
time to make the point, WE'RE NOT ADDICTED TO OIL, WE'RE HELD HOSTAGE BY THE OIL COMPANIES |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Absolutely right. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. Sorry, not being able to function normally without your auto is addiction. |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. And what pray tell oh enlightened one |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Change your entire life to live without oil as much as you can. |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Good for you! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Nope - 20-40 miles a day on the bicycle. |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You sir... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I'm an asshole.... |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Ok oh progressive one... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Xtracycle dot com, Stokemonkey dot com, kentsbike.blogspot dot com, |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Ok then...stepping away from the computer... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Nothing ex about me. When you need to learn how to live simply and fully, |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Really, Well it happens, I can't live "simply and fully" without being able to get to my medical |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Never said anything about your NEEDS, now did I? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. You want gas to go to $10 bucks a gallon? Do you have any idea what that does to airline tickets for |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I won't make gas go to 10 bucks a gallon. Exxon will. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Yes. Because you mock them and offer no alternative. I have gotten involved locally in the issues of |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. The solutions are simple. Difficult to adopt |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
91. You're clearly a simpleton. n/t |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. We'll see. When you get sick and tired of being sick and tired, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Deleted sub-thread |
DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. Bike riding long distances with asthma and no shower in the |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. My conversation was with a particularly abusive individual, and has nothing |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. ReallY? Screw you. I have a medical condition the requires me to fly to |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #51 |
113. Be sure to take this to the extreme, this is NOT the kind of thing I'm talking about |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
107. I have owned a car for just 2 years. I am 58 years old, |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. I don't believe a word of what you wrote. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Actually, it is all true--every word. I have a website, |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. So now this is all about you as a woman. OK. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-03-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. And sadly you can't read. You are saying the same thing as your |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. In Georgia - I drive everywhere. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. You should try a vacation in Portland, Or. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Stoopidist post eveh. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Care to explain why?? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. You actually have to ask? Not Everyone has access to public transportation!!! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Why does that make my post the stoopidest post ever?? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Because you're very unrealistic and not everyone CAN move !!! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Ok, then how about this- I posted this above: |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Well big woot! I biked my baby everywhere & then when he got older (6), 4 miles to the bus |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Never said I was better than you, |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. There you go with that self-righteous crap again... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Do you bike your two kids to school before heading off to work on your bike |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. ROFL This is the attack of someone getting screwed royally by EXXON. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:34 PM Original message |
Glad you're so healthy. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
94. I thought you said you were stuck driving. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
114. First of all, each car you give up saves you thousands of dollars a year |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Indeed! And soon to be held hostage by Water and Power companies... |
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proud patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. I like that framing |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. spot on |
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muntrv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. Can't have our homes run on electricity from something other than oil. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. There's coal and we have pleanty of it., |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. There is no such thing as clean coal. Period. It is a lie. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Have you ever even seen a coal fired power plant? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I live on the west coast, we have the hydroelectric power. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Well I drive past 2 coal fired power plants |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I will go read everything I can find out about this: |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Here's some help The Dickenson Cattle Company, |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
98. Doc - Check out post #97 - |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
83. Only water vapor, eh? Where are they putting the tons of CO2 that drive global warming? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. We are held hostage, because we are addicted. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner. Exactly. |
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JBoris (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. Amen! |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. It's both. nt |
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CLG_News (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. Great point. n/t |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
16. Isn't denial a sign of addiction? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Absolutely. None of the converstaions about oil seriously address just stopping |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
18. Nobody held a gun to our heads and forced us |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Bullshit. The environmentalists are happy to build all the solar panels in the universe |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Well build them then, I'm all for it. I seem to recall the Kennedys |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Yep. Look on Treehugger dot com and search for solar and wind. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. That's all fine but it has been nothing but talk for 30 |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Every one of your talking points is precisely the answer to your question. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Hey, I put an electric heat pump in 3 years ago and it |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yep, I'd say you are.... |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Everyone is pointing fingers, the Republicans say it's because |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Doc - You are absolutely correct - I don't know what it's going to take for |
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ZenKitty (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. I ask this question in all sincerity.... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. You are absolutely correct. It is a political football. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. If I had the dough I'd start a company that makes custom LED arrays |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
71. You know the ugliest thing I have ever |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. There is a stretchon the Great Divide Mountain Bike trail where you cannot |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
85. One of the biggest manufacturers of solar panels is BP: British PETROLEUM |
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ZenKitty (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. Spot on Doc. n/t |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's a classic, user-pusher relationship just like drugs. |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
30. Exactly...even with DEMAND DOWN! Exxon rakes in record profits. Disgusting! |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
39. The oil companies are just a form of organization that are an extension of what we do |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
42. Mmm...hmmmm. n/t |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
47. I strongly disagree. It's 100% our fault. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yep. I had my character assassinated above for saying the same thing.... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Agreed. I know it's human to seek somebody else to blame, |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I'd love to choose public transportation but there ISN"T ANY!!! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. None worth a shit here either. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Ultimately, the lack of public transportation comes back to us. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Yep. We must take responsibility for making the changes needed. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. I know not everyone can do it, but I sold my house in Austin, |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #47 |
100. I wouldn't put 100% of the responsibility on citizens |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #47 |
103. We have a very weak democracy |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
59. We've allowed the auto companies to make us oil dependent |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Lydia - Have you been reading that no good Kunstler???? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I actually thought that BEFORE I read Kunstler |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Yep, me too. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
86. yup, and we're allowing big oil's inflicted suffering be a wedge issue between us, too |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Yep. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #86 |
110. For example, every year a lot of people move from one city to another |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
77. We're not addicted. We're DEPENDENT. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. If I could have written ONE post concerning oil. your post would be it. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I've only been thinking about this for forty years. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Yep - The Weirdo Brigade. Welcome, Soldier!! |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #88 |
101. I know lots of people dislike serious consideration for anything like a 'magic bullet'; however: |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. This should be an OP over at the energy/environmental DU list.... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Done. :) |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. It would be nice to have a massive shift towards electricity.....clean electricity... |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-31-08 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
96. Check out this major Breakthrough on Solar from MIT |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
99. 887,000 barrels of oil per day aren't be used by Americans, no wonder the price is dropping |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
106. where does this concept come from that oil companies can only charge us what it costs them? |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
108. I disagree |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
109. The hypocrisy of "Drill, Drill, Drill" |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-01-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. We'd expect that kind of response from a hippie that has a BICYCLE in his sig. |
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