not to start another war on smoking ,

[blues90]

However , if each pack has the warning and the Ad's and bill boards have been removed years ago , which I do happen to agree with.

Then it only stands to reason that each fast food chain of complete horror and disgust should have a warning sign of an obese person standing right there next to their sign. Same thing on junk food of all types. Eat this crap and this is what you will become.

It's much easier to never get hooked on cigs and it should be the same with food that is not good for you.

They have all sorts of stop smoking programs and diet fads which make the companies billions.

[Captain Angry]

1. But that's not true.

If you eat fast food (or any food for that matter) and don't exercise, you will most likely become obese.


I used to eat double-quarter-pounders, and the like. All the time. And I was losing weight because I was playing hockey several times a week.

Smoking, in and of itself causes the issues related to smoking. Nothing else in the lifestyle is part of the problem.

Eating is not in itself bad unless you're not mitigating the extra calories and way processed foods.

[merwin]

4. I'm pretty sure that even with exercise, you'll become overweight and

generally unhealthy if you ate McDonalds food for a couple meals a day every day.

[Captain Angry]

6. I lost 75 pounds all while eating DQPs, multiple 42 ounce cokes, etc.

McD's isn't healthy. By any stretch. Somehow their water probably has 30 calories. But the connection the original poster tried to make isn't there.

Smokers have one and only one thing to blame for their health, with nothing to mitigate it.

Food however is only a piece of an unhealthy lifestyle.

[Skittles]

36. ?

are you saying smokers only die from smoking-related diseases?

[wuushew]

19. Depends on what you ate

The fish sandwich doesn't seem that bad in comparison and the Big Mac is certainly no Hardy's Monster Burger.



http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html

[SteelPenguin]

25. Eat out anywhere a couple meals a day every day

go to Chilli's. TGI Fridays. Applebees.

Eat out at any of the familiar chain restaurants, not fast food, and you're gonna balloon up if you eat what they put in front of you two times a day.

It's the serving sizes, it's the fats, it's the unhealthy fried foods...All those places, not just the fast food places, are bad for you. Heck even their salads without even incorporating the calories from teh dressings they provide are obscene.

It's not just the fat food (sorry)....fast food joints that are the culprit here.

At the same time though, I'm getting tired of warning labels telling stupid people not to do stupid things, when experience dictates they aren't going to read those signs anyway.

[blues90]

15. smoking does relate to other things.

It was the norm in bars and with coffee . But eating Mc'D's even with exercise does not provide the body with good energy source. Perhaps if you are young you can get by for a while. But I would imagine you would have to work out a lot harder to keep the weight off eating that crap .

[Clark2008]

21. People in Europe smoke and don't have the problems Americans do.

But, see, they eat better and exercise more.

[noamnety]

32. Yes, europeans are immune to the effects of tobacco.

I know that's a snarky response, but really, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. If you meant that obesity compounds tobacco problems (particular heart problems), then yes, obesity generally compounds health problems.

But cigarettes all on their own cause disease, and a healthy lifestyle does not prevent that. Lung cancer is the leading fatal cancer in Europe for men, and the third for women, and it is tied directly to the use of that one specific product.

[AndyTiedye]

34. Tobacco Suppresses the Appetite

[noamnety]

37. And?

Sorry, I'm missing your point. Are you trying to claim that smoking is healthy? Or that it's been beneficial for Europeans?

"Two thirds of deaths in the EU are caused by circulatory diseases and cancer.

- Heart attacks, strokes and other circulatory diseases account for 41% of all deaths.

- Cancer is responsible for 25% of all deaths and is the biggest killer of people aged 45-64.

In the 45-64 age group, cancers are responsible for 41% of all deaths. Cancers of the lungs and throat were most common among men, while breast cancer was the most prevalent among women."

http://www.epha.org/a/2352

[AndyTiedye]

38. Of Course Not

Tobacco does help some people control their weight, despite all its other problems.
I would never recommend for that purpose, but it is likely having an effect on the statistics.

I am neither fat nor a smoker, but I have watched quite a few people quit smoking over the years.
All of them gained weight.

[noamnety]

47. And?

On average, people gain 5-10 pounds when they quit smoking, I think most people know that.

I'm not sure that 5-10 pounds figures into a serious discussion about obesity. If you are morbidly obese, that amount of weight isn't the source of the problem. And a 5-10 pound weight gain is insignificant compared to the health risks of smoking.

I'm sorry, I just don't see a larger point to be made by heading down that line of thought.

[Greyhound]

43. They also still have real food, and I'm certain that has way more to do with it

than our corporate masters would have us consider.

[Greyhound]

39. You are not considering that obesity is only one detriment of consuming this fake food

on a consistent basis.

[Mojorabbit]

2. Nah

I don't want to live in a nanny state.

[gblady]

3. The Standard American Diet...

and what is called food in this country is as dangerous, if not more so, than cigarettes.

Cardiovascular heart disease is the number one killer in the US.

My paranoid mind thinks it's part of the medical/insurance complex's plan
to try to keep us sick and in need of their services...the disease care system as Barack calls it.

75% of what is in a grocery store is lethal and not fit for human comsumption.

[merwin]

5. Huh?

"75% of what is in a grocery store is lethal and not fit for human consumption"

I would beg to differ on that point. 75% of food in a grocery store may not be healthy, but it is definitely human grade food and most definitely not lethal. That's just sensationalism.

[JuniperLea]

49. Human grade... sez who? The USDA?

I'm not trusting that!

Any nutritionist will tell you to avoid the center of the grocery store, and to only eat things on the outer walls... where the produce, dairy, and bakery are... you still have to go for the whole food instead of the processed.

Processed foods kill. Only whole foods nourish. I agree with that poster... 75%, or the center portion of the store, is really not healthy at all. Most of it probably isn't really fit for human consumption at all. If you can't read it, you shouldn't eat it.

[JuniperLea]

50. Don't forget Big Pharma!

They want to sell you pillz to cure your illz.

[taterguy]

7. When do we get warning labels for neighborhoods?

MSNBC has an article that says people in neighborhoods built before 1950 are ten pounds lighter

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25890997

[lame54]

8. Walk into a fast food joint and look around - the Obese are present

[Marrah_G]

9. OH cool- Smoking and fat people all in one thread!

[NV Whino]

11. I'm ready

:popcorn:

[Marrah_G]

14. I'll bring the drinks!

:toast:

[Endangered Specie]

23. But shouldn't the drinks have warnings on them too?

[Marrah_G]

31. Maybe we should just ban drinks? to be safe.....for the children

[Warpy]

10. Remember Big Boy restaurants?

Now that was truth in advertising!

The food wasn't bad, either. However, eating it more than a couple of times a year was dangerous to your health.

Their onion rings were to die for, though.

[NV Whino]

12. i haven't had a decent hamburger since Bob's Big Boy disappeared

[blues90]

13. yes I remember big boys in chicago

We more than anything else used it to hang out and drink coffee.

[Javaman]

16. ...

:popcorn:

Anyone want some?

[TahitiNut]

26. Break time.

:smoke: :beer: :smoke:

[petronius]

17. A few years ago there was a lawsuit against McD's by a woman (in NY?) who

claimed that there had been no warning given that the food was unhealthy. It sounded like a crock to me, except I started noticing that in fast food commercials and print ads the actors are invariably fit and attractive - I started thinking that there was a bit of false advertising going on...

[blues90]

27. that's part of my point

They don't show.

over weight people in their ad's. Now there are some that they do and this does not even turn people off to eating this crap.

It's the same with these weight loss ad's , the before and after.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. That won't work.

Not all obese people are that way because of what and how much they eat.

[Scout]

20. and skinny people eat fast food too....

but i guess if they're not fat, we can let them slide....

:shrug:

[Endangered Specie]

22. Ah, the flamewar is just beginning!

[Wizard777]

24. But your use of their product is inconsistent with the labeling.

That .25 bag of chips that you wolf down in 5 seconds is 6 servings. Even though there are only about 10 chips in the bag.

[KG]

28. not every product offered at most fast- food places is unhealthy,

but every cigarette in every pack certainly is.

[Blue-Jay]

29. Yeah. That's EXACTLY the same thing.

Brilliant comparison, Einstein.

[blues90]

55. and a real intelligent response

[varkam]

30. Ohhhh, a hybrid smoking / obesity flamewar.

This will be good. :popcorn:

Oh, and post hoc ergo propter hoc.

[AndyTiedye]

33. Some People Get Fat When They Quit Smoking

[NeedleCast]

35. Yeah! Lets put stupid signs on all dangerous things

All car dealerships should have a huge sign out front depicting an eight car pile up and half a dozen dismembered family members so that when people go to buy a car, they'll know it could kill them.

Seriously, where do some of you come up with this shit?

[blues90]

57. how is that even close to the same thing?

I'm talking about an issue not a mass comparision where every single thought imaginable comes into play.

I could come up with one on every subject under the sun if that were my point.

Beside this , before you buy a car and drive off you do take driving lessons where they do tell you what the results can be and what the risks are . at least they used to , it's been well over 40 years since I learned to drive.

Do they teach children about what food is all about?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. Ridiculousness.

It's not the fast food joints making people fat. It's overindulgent people with no self control eating more than they should and not exercising that's making people fat.

[aine p]

41. Choice

I think it's really up to the consumer once s/he has been made aware of the consequences. People willingly smoke/over-eat knowing they are causing self-damage. It's just a matter of people caring enough about their own bodies once they've been made aware of the situation

[JuniperLea]

53. Trouble is...

We eat the processed foods for decades before the USDA deems them inedible, carcinogenic, etc.

[JuniperLea]

51. Sure... let's just stand by and watch people die of cancer...

And heart disease... it's their own damn fault.

[blues90]

56. Thats crap

They lured people into smoking by creating an image that it was cool and part of being acceptable.

They do the very same thing with their ad's for fast food and on top of this they make it easy to get 24/7 and you don't even need to park your car or get out of the damn thing.

These places are at just about every corner in every area where there are roads. They make it easy and promise fast service and always ask if you want the meal , you have to tell them just want you want.

It's the same damn thing as the smoking ad's.

They also know people are in a hurry and market to pray on that very fact .

I am not ruling out that people make these choices but they do make it so damn easy many people can't resist.

I remember the days before fast food and there were not mountains of obese people. They even put their crap in or near schools on purpose.

I doubt if people eat this crap they would have the fuel source to exercise for very long.

In your thinking we have a hell of a lot of weak willed people, but how did they get this way?

[Phillycat]

42. Well, this is a complete waste of bandwidth.

[AndyTiedye]

44. Like This?

[Vanje]

45. Nice try , but no trifecta

to win the trifecta, your post would need to have included comments about Breast-feeding, Circumcism, or Pit-bulls , in addition to your flame-throwers about Smoking and Overweight.

Cock-fighting and Evangelical Vegitarianism would be acceptable mentions for partial credit.

Not good enough.
Try again.

[JuniperLea]

52. You forgot "Purity Balls"! eom

[Taverner]

46. Eating fast food is not an addiction

It's a treat

Anyone who thinks that crap is good for you hasn't been paying attention

[JuniperLea]

54. Sure they have...

They've been paying attention to the commercials! Hey, Taverner, you deserve a break today, don't you? You want to have it your way, don't you?

With all seriousness, no one pays attention to what matters... at least not many.

[JuniperLea]

48. When I was doing musical theatre...

Rehearsing/dancing/singing for 10 hours a day, I ate like a Sumo wrestler and stayed very, very slim. I ate McDonald's at least once a day... Taco Bell... whatever was open at 1 in the morning when we wrapped and were starving... Jack in the Box... whatever. Now, I gain weight if I eat over 1500 calories a day... I'm not kidding.

I hired a receptionist once who was teeny tiny... light as a feather... itty bitty woman... and she must have had the metabolism of a hummingbird. She ate all day long. No exaggeration! ALL DAY LONG! She brought a bag of snacks... a GROCERY bag... everyday. Then got fast food for lunch! She must have eaten 3000 calories a day. I bet she never weighted over 95 lbs.

We are all different. Our genes play a big role, I'm convinced.

Drunk drivers kill thousands of people every year. I'm betting we never see a ban on alcohol. I won't bet on a cigarette ban either.