Toby Keith is a dick weed or a southern representative of true values?

[Ichingcarpenter]

He's living in past and so is his fans. He perpetuates a Southern
mentality that is harmful.

[morgan2]

1. A man with good intentions who isnt very smart?

[RoyGBiv]

28. Ding!

[babylonsister]

2. Nah, you're trying to perpetuate something. This guy 'got it' IIRC. I'm

not going to diss him.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Listen to his music

And hear what he tries to promote with women and southern values. I thought it was comedy but its not.

He doesn't really care for Willy and all the gang.

He's just a player

[Selatius]

3. I heard he actually is a registered Democrat. He was agnostic about Iraq when it first began.

He was very pro-war with Afghanistan, though. I remember he was a very big supporter about the invasion of Afghanistan, but he hasn't been such a cheerleader for the Iraq War, but I could be wrong. I don't really follow him too closely.

[babylonsister]

9. No. He was one of those 'KICK ASS/TAKE NAMES' guys who thought

America was 'all that', and this is what we should be doing. I like to see and hear him change his tune.

[aspergris]

41. you are wrong

he WAS agnostic bordering on anti-iraq from a long time ago.

"the angry american" is not, as he repeatedly stated specifically referencing IRAQ.

He is pro-afghanistan war, fwiw

[SmileyRose]

101. You are mistaken re support of Iraq.

He was 100% behind Afganistan and his "prowar" song is regarding that, not Iraq. Yes, he did run his mouth about the Dixie Chix and everyone latched onto that as a sign he's pro Iraq but that was never true. His beef was it's just not right to choose foreign soil to suddenly come out against the President. I don't agree with that necessarily and think should have kept his mouth shut, but his comments were not in support of Bush or of Iraq - only a deeply held belief in respecting the office of president itself.

Toby Keith has done A LOT for liberal causes, for the troops themselves, and especially in support of autoworkers unions. I'm involved with a charity loosely tied to the UAW and we'd be up a creek without the money generated by Toby Keith.

[redqueen]

115. Why'd he hold up a pic of Natalie Maines with Saddam? What does that say about his Iraq war views?

I'm shocked to see so many here have been so easily fooled by this opportunist assclown.

[SmileyRose]

116. It says something about his Natalie Maines views at the time / not Iraq war views.

From Wiki

Keith considers himself "a Conservative Democrat who is sometimes embarrassed for his party." He endorsed the re-election of President George W. Bush in 2004 and performed at a Dallas, Texas rally on the night before the election. Keith also endorsed Democrat Dan Boren in his successful run in Oklahoma's 2nd Congressional district and is good friends with Democratic New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson.

In a January 2007 interview with Newsday, Keith was asked whether or not he supported the Iraq War. He responded with "Never did." He favors setting a time limit on the campaign. He also said, "I don't apologize for being patriotic... If there is something socially incorrect about being patriotic and supporting your troops, then they can kiss my on that, because I'm not going to budge on that at all. And that has nothing to do with politics. Politics is what's killing America." <2>






Look, All I can tell you is he's done well hell of a lot for people all over this country, and from what I've seen is a genuine person who lays it out there for real. You can look at the fact he's a country star and look at his style and look at his southernness and decide he's an assclown if you like. It won't make you right. And my appreciation for the good things the man has done doesn't make me right. In the end, only Toby and the good Lord know whether or not he's truly as assclown.

[redqueen]

117. He's done what? Performed for troops? So have a lot of entertainers.

Sorry... no... his word isn't worth shit.

You can buy it if you like. I go by actions.

And someone slamming the Dixie Chicks by associating them with Saddam Hussein? That's a repuke ASSCLOWN. He gave 4 grand to the RNC and bush. Not a DIME to Dems.

You go on and respect him all you like though... it's a free country. Just don't be surprised if not too many dems hop on that "I'll take him at his word" bandwagon.



The guy's a fucking asshole. End of.

[samsingh]

149. i totally agree with you. Wow - entertaining troops - how hard is that?

he should have picked up a weapon and fought alongside the brave men and women he claims to support in the wars he claimed to support and the people who started them.

keith is an asshole.

[samsingh]

145. tkeith attacked the Dixie Chicks right to free speech

the fact that it was overseas is a stupid knit. if we believe in Democracy, why does it stop at the border for American citizens?

he really increased the volume against the Dixie Chicks and helped to ostracize them.

if he's pro-afgan., he should have understood that moving troops to Iraq would undermine Afgan. If he didn't understand this, he should have shut up about the Dixie Chicks having the guts to say something about Bush's impending invasion.

keith also gives to repug candidates. see: http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Toby_Keith.php
- 100% to repugs.

[SmileyRose]

164. he did indeed.

as I said, he should have shut up. I totally agree his little wordfest back and forth with Natalie Maines makes him look like an idiot. However, I disagree this automatically makes him pro-Iraq war. I have yet to meet anyone who is "all or none", "black or white" as we want to paint them.

though it does make for good BBS posting. :)

[aspergris]

31. He *is* a democrat

but he's a very un-pc kind of a "guy's guy" democrat.

and he sings about smokin' pot with willy!

[liberal1973]

55. Nope

Not a democrat. He played at the rnc convention. Yeah he says now he's a democrat. The coward is trying to save face.

The ahole dissed the Dixie Chicks. Un-american tobie keith really showed his true colors there.

Yeah tobie was cheerleader for the Iraq war. Donated $2000 to Bushco.

Tobie keith is a scumbag.

[aspergris]

60. do facts matter?

1) you say he says "now". Yet, I saw an interview several years ago to that effect.
2)yes, he did diss the dixie chicks. so frigging what? After iirc they dissed HIM. quid pro quo clarice.
3) and if dissing the dixie chicks is some kind of holy litmus test for you then he fails. the dixie chicks are nothing special. they are a pretty good band, and they dissed bush (which is kewl with me). some would argue that if they had REAL courage they would have done it in bush country, not the UK. But that's another story.
4) the dixie chicks =/= america. they are a frigging band. so, dissing them doesn't make him "un-american". that's absurd. they are a band.

[liberal1973]

66. Again

Tobie keith wouldn't know a fact if it came up and bit him in the butt.

The S.O.B used a picture given to him from freeper.com. A pure Neo-nazi republican website. Just like him and his buddy bushco.

The fact is the douche bag is a opportunist. The McCarthyism done on the Dixie Chicks by right wingers like tobie keith, freeper.com, and fixed news was un-American. The guy squatting in the White House is a traitor.

Music has nothing to do with what tobie keith did. His actions speak louder than words here.

"some would argue that if they had REAL courage they would have done it in bush country, not the UK. But that's another story." WTF? I've heard this before ,but only from freepers.

Yes the Dixie Chicks kick ass.

[aspergris]

67. i notice you didn't acknowledge yer errors

and now it's just the standard attack when somebody has no information, just rhetoric.

omg yer a fr33per lol lol.

dixie chicks kick ass (actually, like i said. I like the dixie chicks. i also like toby keith).

his actions are what exactly? making an appearance with bush? that makes him a repub? fascinating. illogical, but fascinating.

[liberal1973]

70. Is this tobie?

Other posts here have said that this tobie keith is just slow.

Hmm...Again his words don't mean spit. He's a democrat as much as T. Boone Pickens is a democrat.


tobie keith songs sound like that of what jon voight just wrote in the Washington times.

[redqueen]

86. I notice you conveniently skipped over the part where he donated to bush...

when was this 'years ago' interview where you heard him claim he was a dem?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Toby_Keith.php

He donates to republicans - 2K in 2004 and 2K in 2006. NO donations for dems.

[aspergris]

95. he's also

supported dem candidates (including bill richardson) etc.

and has said he's a dem. good enough for me.

[redqueen]

97. He supported him how? Not with two grand like he gave to the sickening pukes?

When did he say he's a Dem? Have you forgotten already?

[aspergris]

100. interview with the MSM

it was quite long. i don't recall who the interviewer was. pretty sure it was CBS. i could try to google it.

years ago

[redqueen]

103. Less than two years ago... and it's a lie.

He's an opportunist. He gave 2 grand to the RNC two years ago.

He's since realized that the side that's winning may not be the winning side much longer, and is moving along with the tide to protect his sales, cause he knows how that works (Dixie Chicks).

He's a coward, an idiot, and a liar.

[TornadoTN]

104. Joe Lieberman also said he's a Democrat

So, let's put things into perspective

[LittleClarkie]

106. And there are PUMA'S who will now be voting for McCain

Doesn't change that they identify as Dems, does it?

Things are confused a bit with Southern Dems. We lost many of them to Reagan, but I think we can get them back.

[redqueen]

108. So you think PUMAs are real Dems?

Wow.

Sorry... no... he gave 2 grand to the RNC, 2 grand to Bush, and hasn't given a dime to a dem. Gonna take more than people on here just insisting that they swear they know it's true to sway me.

[LittleClarkie]

105. Not just now. I read an article a couple years ago where he identified as a Dem

A Conservative Southern Dem, maybe, who supported the invasion of Afghanistan and wrote patriotic songs after 9/11, but a Dem nonetheless.

[redqueen]

110. 2 years ago he gave 2 grand to the RNC. You think dems do that? (nt)

[samsingh]

143. he gives heavily to repugs.

[AlCzervik]

4. has he done something recently of note? Another boot in someone's as song?

[noamnety]

11. he was on colbert

bragging about giving beer to horses or some such thing, and singing some song that as far as I could tell was satirical in nature, trying to use every cliche ever used in a country song.

(at least I am telling myself it must have been satire)

lwfern's rendition for those who missed it:
when the gunsmoke cleeeeeeeeeeears ....... I saddle up because cowboys like meeeeeee ride horses and we feed them beer ....... while we drink whiskeyyyyyyyy ..... I am one of those silent mannnnnly men, brooding quietly over the pain I feeeeel ... even though I'm filthy riiiiich.

[rebel with a cause]

16. I muted it after about two lines.

Can't stand the twang of his drawl as he sings. He really irks me. And as far as I can see, with the flag as his back drop, nothing has changed since 2004.

[noamnety]

18. I had that reaction to the backdrop

and then I remembered it was colbert, and thought maybe that's just part of the set.

Now that I've looked up the lyrics, I see it's a pro-lynching song. That's nice.

"Grand pappy told my pappy back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he'd done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street
For all the people to see

That
Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune"

And then he gives beer to his horses. What a complete ass.

[aspergris]

32. and willy nelson

sings in the song too. does that make him bad too?

[Ichingcarpenter]

34. Toby uses the flag to drape himself in jingoistic songs and patriotism

Willy doesn't

Toby doesn't like Willy.

[aspergris]

37. Toby doesn't like willy?

Do you know that for a fact?

Regardless, my point is valid. WILLIE sings in the song. So, if Toby is bad for singing it, you would have to criticize willie for doing the same.

Fwiw, beer for my horses is a fun song. Getting offended by it would be like getting offended at the dixie chicks for "earl" which is a song about a woman committing a domestic violence murder.

[noamnety]

39. Really? Is it just the same?

"After she got married that
Wanda started gettin abused
She put on dark glasses and long sleeved blouses
And make-up to cover a bruise
Well she finally got the nerve to file for divorce
She let the law take it from there
But earl walked right through that restraining order
And put her in intensive care"

[aspergris]

40. why yes it is similar

take the whole lyrics....

not those you excerpted to make an erroneous point...

they are both fun songs. only offensive to the perpetually outraged (tm).

I should also note that Before he Cheats by carrie underwood also glorifies domestic violence (specifically domestic violence vandalism). Not that i care. country music, like rock n roll glorifies all kinds of stuff.

ary anne and wanda were the best of friends
All through their high school days
Both members of the 4h club
Both active in the ffa
After graduation mary anne went out lookin
For a bright new world
Wanda looked all around this town
And all she found was earl

Well it wasnt two weeks
After she got married that
Wanda started gettin abused
She put on dark glasses and long sleeved blouses
And make-up to cover a bruise
Well she finally got the nerve to file for divorce
She let the law take it from there
But earl walked right through that restraining order
And put her in intensive care

Right away mary anne flew in from atalnta
On a red eye midnight flight
She held wandas hand as they
Worked out a plan
And it didnt take long to decided

That earl had to die
Goodbye earl
Those black-eyed peas
They tasted all right to me earl
Youre feeling weak
Why dont you lay down
And sleep earl
Aint it dark
Wrapped up in that tarp earl

The cops came to bring earl in
They searched the house
High and low
Then they tipped their hats
And said thank you ladies
If you hear from him let us know

Well the weeks went by and
Spring turned to summer
And summer faded into fall
And it turns out he was a missing person
Who nobody missed al all

So the girls bouth some land
And a roadside stand
Out on highway 109
They sell tennessee ham
And strawberry jame
And they dont
Lose any sleep at night cause

Earl had to die
Goodbye earl
We need a break
Lets go out to the lake earl
Well pack a lunch
And stuff you in the trunk earl
Well is that all right
Good lets go for a ride
Earl hey

[noamnety]

42. .

on second thought, I don't need this discussion with you. :)

[aspergris]

44. I don't have any problem with it

As i repeatedly say, but if you can't read those lyrics and see how it GLORIFIES the killing, then I don't know what to tell you.

That's what makes the song fun. They get revenge and the video shows how they revel in it, especially.

As does Before he Cheats I might add (domestic violence vandalism) posted below.

Right now he's probably slow dancing with a bleach blond tramp,
and she's probably getting frisky...
right now, he's probably buying her some fruity little drink cause she can't shoot whiskey...

Right now, he's probably up behind her with a pool-stick, showing her how to shoot a combo...

And he don't know...

That I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats...
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...

Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.

Right now, she's probably up singing some
white-trash version of Shania karaoke..
Right now, she's probably saying "I'm drunk"
and he's a thinking that he's gonna get lucky,
Right now, he's probably dabbing on 3 dollars worth of that bathroom polo...
And he don't know...

That I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats,
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...

Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.

I might've saved a little trouble for the next girl,
Cause the next time that he cheats...

Oh, you know it won't be on me!

No...not on me
'Cause I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped up 4 wheel drive,
carved my name into his leather seats...
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights,
slashed a hole in all 4 tires...

Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats.

Oh.. Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats...

Ohh... before he cheats...

[kwolf68]

90. Good lord

All of you need a grip. Earl by Dixie Chicks and Beer for my houses are just fun tongue-in-cheek songs. Neither one are bad. Geezus.

[aspergris]

96. thank you

exactly my point. only the eternally offended get up in arms about this stuff.

i wonder if "beer for my horses" has seen a PETA explosion :)

[XOKCowboy]

43. Beer For My Horses Lyrics

and yes he sang it as a duet with Willy Nelson...

Well a man come on the 6 o'clock news
said somebody's been shot
somebody's been abused
somebody blew up a building
somebody stole a car
somebody got away
somebody didn't get to far yeah
they didn't get to far

Grand pappy told my pappy back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he'd done
Take all the rope in Texas
Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys
Hang them high in the street
For all the people to see

That
Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune
And we'll all meet back at the local saloon
And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing
whiskey for my man, beer for my horses

We got too many gangsters doing dirty deeds
too much corruption and crime in the streets
It's time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send 'em all to their maker and he'll settle 'em down
You can bet he'll set 'em down

Cause
Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune
And we'll all meet back at the local saloon
And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing
whiskey for my man, beer for my horses
whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

He knew
Justice is the one thing you should always find
You got to saddle up your boys,
You got to draw a hard line
When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune
And we'll all meet back at the local saloon
And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singin' whiskey for my man, beer for my horses
Singing whiskey for my man, beer for my horses

[Bake]

76. Yeah, well, Willy has that red white and blue guitar strap ...

But I guess that's different.

Most of you people know nothing about country music except that you don't like it. Fine. But don't pretend to be an expert and pass judgment on Toby Keith or the Dixie Chicks or anyone else.

By the way, if the Dixie Chicks are so cool, why do they have the hated word "Dixie" in their name? Why aren't you sounding off about THAT?

Bake

[redqueen]

111. Why is anyone talking about lyrics? Toby gave 2 grand to bush (04) and 2 grand to the RNC (06)

He hasn't given a DIME to dems.

He is NOT a dem!

[liberal1973]

113. Hmm..

I like some country music. Cash, McGraw, and the Chicks so on..

I think that the name Dixie Chicks came from the sisters. Nothing else.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. It wasn't satire

it played into the old west thinking..... People have seen in movies

I used to love Country music.... he doesn't have the smarts
to do parody of himself.

Now give me Emily Lou, Willy and Waylon anyday.

[noamnety]

21. I know. I was trying to be gracious.

Perhaps I should have stuck with "bless his heart." ;)

[HughMoran]

130. I had to flip the channel

He does nothing for me

[rebel with a cause]

5. Haven't liked him for a long time and

I still don't like him after watching him on Colbert tonight. In fact, I am disappointed in Steven. I guess I expect too much out of people, and forget that these people on television are only fragments of our imaginations. If Toby Keith is a good democrat then I must be something else.

Long live The Dixie Chicks!

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Thank you....... when are the Dixie chicks gonna be on Colbert?

I think Stephen plays with him.

[rebel with a cause]

13. One of them just had a baby

so probably not soon. But this would be a good question to ask of Steven himself. I have bugged Stewart with my comments in the past, but don't know if I will be sending Colbert one on what I think of TK or not.

By the way, Stewart has actually commented on his show about things that I sent him messages about before. I figured that a lot of people sent him the same message.

[brentspeak]

8. This isn't 2004

Toby Keith has softened up since his 2001-2004 yahoo days. He's since sort of made up with the Dixie Chicks, and has stated his opposition to the Iraq War.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. Bullshit he said the Dixie Chicks were wrong and unpatriotic less than a month ago

on Colbert.

[AlCzervik]

14. i finally saw "Shut up and Sing", i'm not a country music fan but those women are

really talented and i thought the doc was really good.

[rebel with a cause]

20. Saw it and loved it.

I was so mad when it finished that I cried. I am not a country music fan either, but I loved quite a few of their songs on that CD. I do love good harmony, and they have that and they are talented playing their musical instruments also. What can I say, my dad was in a blue grass band when he was young and I grew up listening to all kinds of music, including country. Learned to appreciate some of all of it.

[AlCzervik]

22. it made me a fan of them and their music, really impressive.

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Robert Plant and Allison Krauss

Allison has one the sweetest voices for Blue Grass I have ever heard.
and Robert Plant of Led Led Zeppelin fame, well what can you say?

Letter one of the great songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL29_GH91f8&feature=related



other related videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5KF4dKq-6I

[rebel with a cause]

25. Allison is from Illinois,

The Southern half, but not 'real' southern. And yes her voice is sweet. Her and Plant do great harmony also. In fact she is just good at it period.

[RedLetterRev]

73. I love Allison's voice, but have you heard

Claire Lynch? She sounds like Allison Krause and EmmyLou Harris had an angel love-child. Incredible! She has Allison's angelic qualities with EmmyLou's clarity and range. Treat yourself.

I'm a bluegrass fiddler myself, so I like pretty-much anything that has a fiddle in it or can have a fiddle put to it. Love classical, but fiddlin's for fun.

[brentspeak]

24. I said he's "sort of" softened up re. the Dixie Chicks

He's recently appeared with them for an anti-global warming TV ad.

[Ichingcarpenter]

29. He is so far behind the curve

just like some I know, they strike out and blink and find
the ball in the catcher's mitt, while claiming to be on top of things.

[newmajority]

51. Pat Robertson and Al Sharpton appeared in one of those ads too

But that don't mean they're friends. It means that it took a really persuasive guy to get such people together.

And who would be capable of bringing such extremes together?


Who else, but the REAL 43rd President of the United States.

[iamthebandfanman]

15. well,

ive heard him on TV spouting conservative talking points about the war and what not within the last year FOR SURE.

sorry, hes a dick.

my friend and i , usually after drinking, like to tell a made up story about my friend accidently getting into a fist fight with toby after meeting him in a bar... suprisingly some people actually buy it...
lol
usually starts out with me in passing saying something like 'man, i still cant believe you actually punched toby keith in the face! ur crazy!'
and then hope someone over hears ;)
its kinda this thing we do everytime we go out ... hehe

[aspergris]

33. he was ambivalent bordering against

the iraq war FROM THE BEGINNING

as he said in an interview years ago. He is also a democrat. He was pro-afghanistan war (so am I).

IIRC, it was the dixie chicks that drew first blood calling his songs ignorant. I respect that he fought back

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. A Toby Keith Fan!!!

Finally!!!

[aspergris]

38. yea

he;s not anywhere near one of my faves, but I like him

[XOKCowboy]

45. I think what we have here is..

someone who doesn't like anything country or anyone with a southern accent. Heck I don't like him that much either (I'm more of a Bob Wills, Merle Haggard, George Jones country kind of guy) but he's spoken against the war and is a Dem.

[aspergris]

48. and what somebody's politics are

says exactly ZERO about whether I like their music.

I like toby keith. Heck, I think stranglehold by Nugent is one of the greatest guitar riffs ever.

I like Rage Against the Machine.

Fwiw, I very much like country, I think Toby Keith is "OK" but not great. He's fun.

My favorite country artists are Randy Travis and Cash (by far my favorite).

But I have tons of artists who I love and if I found out tomorrow they were far right or whatever, it would not change my opinion of their music one lick.

I just find that stuff irrelevant.

Great art is great art.

[XOKCowboy]

50. Well said..

I couldn't agree more.

[aspergris]

52. thanks

and the willie avatar is nice too!

[samsingh]

148. some stars use their power to advance causes

that result in many, many deaths.

anyone supporting bush is an idiot - i don't care how good their art is. i won't support art that is used to support evil like bush.

[liberal1973]

56. BS

He is all pro Iraq war. He's just a typical coward far right republican. His word doesn't mean squat.

The Dixie Chicks were asked what they thought of the piece of crap song.

The S.O.B used a picture of Natalie Maines with saddam at his concerts. The photo came from the Neo-nazi republican website freepers.com.

The guy is a total republican scumbag. He showed up anywhere Bushco asked him to show up.

If this tobie keith guy isn't a coward, let's see him come out and apologize to the country and the Dixie Chicks. I think the douche bag is also opportunist.

[aspergris]

59. do facts matter

1) he is a dem
2) i saw an interview with him SEVERAL YEARS AGO, and he expressed ambivalence at best towards the iraq war, and said he couldn't really see a good justification for it
3) yes, he did slag on the dixie chicks. the dixie chicks iirc started the salvo with their critique of his songs as dumb, etc.

those are facts. I haven't seen any in your post. Just misconceptions.

[liberal1973]

62. Nope

He is not a Democrat. His word isn't worth spit.

He was a cheerleader for the Iraq war. He has appeared with the fascist that squats in the WH several times.

Donated to bushco. Even received a picture of bushco thanks to his donation.

Fact the Dixie Chicks were asked about one of his songs.

Fact is the guy is a douche bag and a opportunist.

[aspergris]

64. assertions w/o evidence

"He is not a Democrat. His word isn't worth spit"

evidence?

"He was a cheerleader for the Iraq war. He has appeared with the fascist that squats in the WH several times. "

demonstrably false. i have personally seen him say we should not have gone into iraq. just because one appears with bush(co) doesn't mean one agrees with the iraq war. that's another falsehood.


"Fact the Dixie Chicks were asked about one of his songs. "

and they slagged it, which is kind of ironic, because iirc they didn't evne WRITE most of their songs. and they criticized his song as dumb, etc. so, he fought back. good for him

"Fact is the guy is a douche bag and a opportunist."

that's not 'fact'. it's opinion. and not supported by evidence, more correctly supported by your misconceptions.

generally speaking, opinions that are not informed by facts are useless.

or only coincidentally valid

[liberal1973]

68. Tobie Keith donated to Bush

He donated to Bush ,because he supports the Iraq war. Also there are guys who were a part of tobie keith's band that have came up with a pro Iraq war song.

Again Dixie Chicks gave their opinon and were right. The song is crap. Oh the fought back crap with the help of his freepers.com friends..lol..


Again he's a opportunist. A coward.


Nice try though at attempting to help that useless republican.

[aspergris]

93. again, that's not logical

"He donated to Bush ,because he supports the Iraq war."

that simply does not follow. there are a hell of a lot of people who do not support the iraq war who support (monetarily or otherwise) bush.

"Again Dixie Chicks gave their opinon and were right. The song is crap."

actually, the song is quite good. and sold quite better than any dixie chix song ever. regardless, they gave their opinion of him. he gave one of them.

quid pro quo.

again, you have no evidence he's a republican.

[liberal1973]

107. Nice try

It's clear that the ass-hat tobie keith supported the Iraq war. The fact is he donated to bushco because he supported the Iraq war. You don't like because it doesn't fit your bs views on this scumbag.

The fact that he put Natalie Maine's with saddam in a picture was to attempt in his neo-nazi republican way to say, hey look she's against the Iraq war and me:crazy: therefore she hates etc..

This was no quid pro crap. The republican did it because he's a typical bushco republican. What he did is what fixed news does all the time.


The guy is a scumbag. The song is terrible. Again he's an opportunist.

[bullwinkle428]

71. Lots of Democrats endorsed Dubya for re-election in '04...

"Keith considers himself "a Conservative Democrat who is sometimes embarrassed for his party." He endorsed the re-election of President George W. Bush in 2004 and performed at a Dallas, Texas rally on the night before the election. Keith also endorsed Democrat Dan Boren in his successful run in Oklahoma's 2nd Congressional district and is good friends with Democratic New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Keith

[aspergris]

94. yup

facts! not just "tobie keith is an evul republican because i say so ".

which is what the other side is bringin!

[bullwinkle428]

102. My main criticism of him was that lots of people were using his

"Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue" as a huge rallying cry for the Iraqi invasion - trust me on this one, as I lived in a small town with lots of knuckle-dragging types at the time. He never made any kind of statement trying to distinguish his support for military action in Afghanistan with any objections to what was happening in Iraq...i.e. he wasn't going to inject any nuance into his beliefs if it was going to cost him any money!

[aspergris]

123. I can see that argument

But like I said, Tobie was agnostic to against the Iraq war. While I know that he didn't write courtesy in reference TO iraq, it's only natural for others to adopt it.

As I see the song, the basic point is - you guys pissed off america, and now we are going to kick yer ass. tobie didn't believe we should have been kicking ass in iraq. just afghanistan, but for those who did believe in iraq as well, it's not surprising they glommed on to the song, too

Regardless, whatever an author believes/intends the purpose or true meaning of his art to be, part of interpretation is making one's OWN interpretation. That's part of the openness of the art experience (realizing that calling keith's work 'art' is a bit of a stretch).

[LSK]

98. Facts should be proven, which you are NOT doing

[fishwax]

127. he also campaigned for democrat Brad Henry

when he was running for governor of Oklahoma.

I'm certainly not a fan of Toby Keith, but he has always maintained that he is a registered (albeit conservative) democrat. He voted for (and donated to Bush) in 2004, but he's not unlike (unfortunately) many Oklahoma democrats in that regard. To my knowledge, he has not been enthusiastic about the Iraq War. I've heard him say (years ago) that he was not enthusiastic about it, and that the craptacular "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" song should not be construed as support for the Iraq War.

[GreenEyedLefty]

69. I didn't like Toby Keith until...

I got an e-mail from my brother who was serving in Afghanistan. Toby Keith put himself into harms' way to perform for our soldiers near Kandahar, and has done so on a number of occasions. During the concert, there was a rocket attack. My brother took a picture of Toby Keith strolling offstage while everyone else was running.

You can say what you want about Toby Keith and his opinions on various issues, but no matter what, the man is a hero for daring to entertain our troops in an extremely dangerous theater of war. It really meant a lot to my brother and his fellow soldiers.

My $0.02.

[samsingh]

147. and yet he's given to bush and repugs exclusively

nothing for Democratic candidates.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Toby_Keith.php

[redqueen]

87. He gave $2000 to the RNC in 2006. When did he have this change of heart? (nt)

[samsingh]

146. on Colbert he refused to apologise to the Chicks

said something stupid like "i don't apologize for my patriotism".

really - i would think that defending their right to free speech was patriotic. Also, attacking a group of women like that is very wimpy and ungentlemanly.

[ccharles000]

12. Major Dick weed

[Arctic Dave]

17. Toby Keith embodies all that is wrong with

todays country music. Natalie had it right when she wore her
T-shirt "FUTK".

[rebel with a cause]

26. If anyone wants to send a message to Colbert

about tonight's show, I believe this link will take you to their message page. Or if you ever want to send him or Jon a message.

http://www.comedycentral.com/help/questionsCC.jhtml

[RoyGBiv]

27. Toby isn't "Southern" ...

... not in the sense you mean it.

He's an Okie. There's a difference, a rather large one in fact.

And he's a nice guy who ain't exactly the brightest bulb in the lamp and has some screwed up opinions.

[pansypoo53219]

30. i got 'dick' vibes off him. and the cap was very annoying.

reminded me of my paternal 'unit'. i hate 'country' music so i flipped. didn't really pay attention to the interview. think my cats wee doing something

[aspergris]

35. He was good in concert

I saw the concert right after the scott peterson verdict came out. I know because he mentioned it.

It was not an EXCELLENT concert - like the Who, The Ramones, Gang of Four, U2, the Police, etc . were

but he puts on a good show.

[XOKCowboy]

46. Heck if it's got Rodney Carrington in the movie, I wanna see it...

Ya he's redneck but he's funny!

[newmajority]

47. Willie Nelson apparently saw some good in him somewhere, and worked with him

But then, Willie smokes a lot of dope too, so he can tolerate just about anybody.

[XOKCowboy]

49. No Willie knows a good song and doesn't give a shit...

what people think about it. I've got a feeling Toby feels the same way. That Willie/Tobie duo on Beer For My Horses is pretty darn good imo.

[newmajority]

53. I prefer Willie singing with someone who isn't a Bush loving dickhead though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2FDqw62Wio

[XOKCowboy]

54. Here's Willie with another stinkin' repug..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iloyyrVt7EM

[newmajority]

92. Well, at least that stinkin' repug (if he is) ain't no fan of Chimpy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrHPjm4qKM

[XOKCowboy]

99. Nah I know that Merle has been an outspoken critic of Iraq...

A lot of people remember Okie From Muskogee and Fightin' Side Of Me and the fact that he's a country singer and think Republican.

It goes to show that even country music stars know a bad thing when they see it.

[aspergris]

124. as do many conservatives and repub's

a lot of the conservatives who are pro obama ARE pro obama because bush has betrayed conservatives.

Merle may very well be a repub. That doesn't make him a bush/neocon lover.

[XOKCowboy]

126. One thing we know is...

the old man sure can sing. Wasn't he on tour with Bob Dylan last year?

[aspergris]

128. Can't tell ya

But that would be a super sweet concert.

I like all those guys - Haggard, Jennings, Hank, etc.

That music speaks to me.

[XOKCowboy]

131. Well here's another clip of a legend....

Nice talkin' to ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auyVyFnOEvQ

[aspergris]

132. likewise and thx for clip n/t

[City Lights]

57. Major Dick weed.

Can't stand him.

[jbane]

58. T. Keith went to Djibouti to entertain the military stationed there.

One of the worst hell-holes on earth and he went there. That says a lot.
I don't listen to his music but if he went there to play it was out of the goodness
that is in the man.

[Vinca]

61. I wouldn't recognize Toby Keith if he knocked on my front door and

wouldn't have a clue what music he's produced.

[El Pinko]

63. Both...?

He mindlessly supported the idiotic war and POS Bush like most of the south. He's a supposed "conservative democrat" who votes repuke all the time, and he's belatedly realized that the war was a bad idea.

Sounds like a huge proportion if southerners in a nutshell.

[aikoaiko]

65. Toby Keith? Who cares?

He sings country-lite. :shrug:

[WeDidIt]

72. FYTK n/t

[Bake]

78. According to the Chicks, it's "FUTK"

Try to get it right.

Bake

[mmonk]

74. I don't see "Beyond Dick weed".

[lame54]

75. He drinks his horses and friends?...

I don't even want to know what that means

[Bake]

77. "So is his fans."

If you're going to criticize someone for being a hick, try not to sound like one.

Bake

[leftofthedial]

79. beats the hell out of that wingnut Johnny Ramone

[newmajority]

89. Except the wingnut Johnny Ramone never let his politics influence the band.

How many right wingers would play on a song called "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg" ?

[leftofthedial]

119. apparently at least one

some might say his politics destroyed the band.

[redqueen]

120. What? Who would say that?

Based on what reasoning?

[mitchum]

80. He's a third rate Hank Williams Jr clone who has a shtick he sells to the Yahoos

[JVS]

82. Whoa dude! That's harsh. Calling someone a 3rd rate Bocephus clone is like saying that they're...

imitation margarine.

[JVS]

81. Give my horses whiskey so that they piss beer for me and my friends, oh yeah!

[Bake]

83. I believe the phrase is "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses."

The ignorance in this thread is astounding.

Bake

[Jakes Progress]

84. Okay. First off, Toby's a dumb ass.

Met him. Not bright. Goes with what brings money.

The fact that he says he is might maybe sort of kinda thinks the Iraq war might have sort of kinda been wrong, is just his way of telling you that he doesn't know what is going on. Were he the southern gentleman, patriot, stand up guy that his publicity team puts out, he would actually stand us and say so. He would apologize for using the war (which he is now sort of, kinda against) to make a few million bucks by playing into redneck sensibilities with songs about the "true old red white and blue" and "puttin' boots up asses".

One of the true craven bits of pandering came from the Dixie Chicks affair and country music. Many county music performers are actually intelligent enough to know that george was an embarrassment, but when they saw dollars on the line, they kept their mouths shut, or worse did like TK and made a bundle singing their support for that shit. The Chicks happen to be phenomenal artists. TK is a hack with a guitar. Supporting his "country music" is like reading playboy for the articles or going to Hooters for the food. Yeah, right.

I was severely disappointed in people like Willie who have standing in the Country Music community, but left the Chicks out to dry. People like Tim McGraw are starting to talk, but they still avoid the DC.

[aspergris]

138. the reason so many in country music

left the chix out to dry was they made their comment, insulting boosh on foreign soil.

the argument is that this was cowardly and lame.

it was CERTAINLY preaching to the choir and took no courage.

Criticizing boosh in the UK takes about as much courage as standing up at a PETA conference and criticizing the fur industry.

many in country music have a strong distaste for bush. many others, a strong dislike for the iraq war. many, an intersecting set - both.

but many also think that for an american musical act, at a concert on foreign soil, to take a swipe at boosh was lame.

personally, i think the backlash was RIDICULOUS. but that's me.

i have not, fwiw, seen the chix in concerts. they are good musicians. but keith puts on a very good show as well. i have seen a lot of concerts, and he certainly was not the who, the ramones, u2, rage against the machine, etc. but it was a good concert. iow, he aint a hack.

[Jakes Progress]

162. We must disagree.

To me a musical hack is a manufactured product that lacks a center or real ethos. TK just hits his mark and cashes his check. There is no there there. Had you spent some time with a DC album or watched their musicianship in person, you would see the concept of music and message that can be a part of country music. They were big time hits, but also had something to show and something to say.

Natalie didn't go out of her way to try to curry favor at that venue in the UK. She, like me and any decent American, was just feeling guilty that our president was screwing up the world so badly. i have felt like disclaiming the idiot every time I am around thinking people in other countries. Most of them understand and feel sorry for those of us who have been saddled with the inbred idiot in chief. And I don't buy that we have to defend his stupidity just because we are in another country. That goes with the redneck, my country right or wrong, mentality. Courage was in not backing down. Cowardice is if TK is against the war, as some here say, but still promotes the Bush lies with his ass kicking songs. The DC have done multiple gigs entertaining combat troops and had a very poignant song about soldiers.

The CM crowd just ducked their heads and used the old "foreign soil" line to defend their shame. Some I've talked to admit to being ashamed, but they were protecting their wallets from the ire of their fans that they though were too stupid to understand.

[Clark2008]

85. It'd be helpful if I knew what he said.

I'm a Southerner, but I don't keep up with Toby Keith.

[Dukkha]

88. Ted Nugent without the pedophilia

[newmajority]

91. Toby and Nugent are friends, naturally.

...along with that other pathetic Republican asswipe, Sammy Hagar.

[iamthebandfanman]

121. its a dried up hack reunion

nice.

[Bake]

109. He's not a politician, and doesn't represent anybody.

He's just a working entertainer making a living. If you don't like his music, fine. But I doubt anybody on this thread knows him personally, or knows enough about him to pass the kind of judgment I've seen here.

And by the way, he's a Democrat.

Bake

[redqueen]

112. 'the hell makes you think he's a democrat?

As I've said repeatedly... he gave 2 grand to Bush in 04... he gave 2 grand to the RNC in 06.

He hasn't given anything to Dems or if so it's not on newsmeat yet.

What makes you think he's a dem?

[liberal1973]

114. Interesting

This seem to start back in late 2006. I've read stuff like this before.

[Sewsojm]

118. Major League Asshole

[Lautremont]

122. I don't know Tobee.

[babsbunny]

125. F.U.T.K.!

As the Dixie Chicks once said.

[Z_I_Peevey]

129. Well, Colbert seems to like him,

so perhaps he can be educated.

He has a decent voice, and, I've heard, a good restaurant in Oklahoma City. He is a conservative Democrat who supported Chimpy McDumbass and made the boot-in-your-ass song.

He's a good old boy, who had a good old boy reaction to 9/11. He believed his government and he wanted to see somebody pay for the violence and death in his country. He ain't too bright, but he has heart. Yep, he's cocky, but that's probably from the musician thing, not the conservative thing.

For now, I'm in the "to each his own" category. If he can apologize to the Dixie Chicks and get himself educated, I could learn to like him as much as Dr. Colbert.

Here a thought: HEY TOBY, read "Bound for Glory." It still applies.

[samsingh]

150. Colbert doesn't like him - asked him point blank if he'd

apologise to the Chicks.

remember - Colbert is playing the character of a right wing dick.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

133. Awright!! Vote 100!!

He's an awful stereotype, full of backwards bluster and murkin idiocy.

If he had to fight this war instead of cheerlead, one has to wonder how far away he'd be form the fray.

Buh. Gawk. For My Horses.

[walldude]

134. LMFAO.. Lots of you apparently know ole' Toby Presonally huh?

Um.. those saying he's a Democrat, are wrong. He is not. Those saying he's a wingnut, they are wrong he's not. In country music Toby is considered to be just left of Lee Greenwood. If you need a "patriotic show" you call Lee, if he's busy you call Toby. He's not stupid, he's Conservative.

There isn't anyone left anywhere who, A. Isn't a complete moron, or B. has a monetary stake in Iraq, that still supports the war. Keith is not stupid, he's a Conservative patriot, but he's also been to see the troops and knows what is happening to them abroad and at home.
He'd like to support the war, but he can't do it because he's not stupid enough to stand against the troops. And believe me, if you support the war(are you freepers listening?) you don't support the troops. It's that simple. If you really cared about the troops, if you really support them, you don't support the war or the administration who sent them off while cutting their pay, their benefits, and the money needed to protect them.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

135. When he is home, he struts around this city like his shit doesn't stink.

We call him Koby Teeth. He's a real piece of crap and his wife isn't much better.
Duckie

[Z_I_Peevey]

136. Who's the wife?

Besides Mrs. Toby Keith, that is.

[samsingh]

137. tk is a fucking asshole who's too much of a coward to go and fight

in the iraq war that he helped justify.

[aspergris]

139. why would he fight in the iraq war

if he DOESN'T support it?

he supports afghanistan. heck, so do scores of million of people. are every single one of them cowards because they don't volunteer to fight in afghanistan?

that's kind of a tired meme.

[samsingh]

140. he's pro bush - attacking the Dixie Chicks because they were against

the Iraq invasion and the idiot who was behind it (bush).

he can't support bush and not support the iraq war. bush and iraq war are linked forever.

[aspergris]

144. again, you are wrong

1) he can support bush and not support the iraq war.
2) he did not attack the dixie chicks because they were against the iraq war.

other than, you are 100% correct lol.

[samsingh]

151. no you can't support bush and not the iraq war

bush started the war because he knew he had support.

2 - i think we're really mincing subtlies here. The Chicks were sad about a war about to start and challenged the architect of the war. keith supported the architect of the war.

[aspergris]

152. silly and nonsensical

there are a LOT of paleo's for instance who support bush but don't support the iraq war.

iow, they think he made an awful mistake with iraq, but support him in general.

2) this is not a subtlety at all . there are TONS of people in music, country and otherwise. keith did NOT choose to slag the dixie chix because they were against the iraq war. if so, why did he choose them? he slagged them because the chix called his song dumb, among other reasons.

[samsingh]

153. he slagged them because they have the guts to challenge bush

what about his donations to repugs:

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Toby_Keith.php

[aspergris]

154. you can assert that falsehood without evidence

all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

like i said, i have evidence to the contrary

1) there are TONS of people in country music, and music in general who spoke out against the iraq war. keith did not attack them
2) he attacked the dixie chicks
3) what distinguished the dixie chicks? among other things, they called his song "dumb"

etc.

again, you have no reason to say that he attacked them because they were against the iraq war. and i have pointed out several reasons to the contrary why that is silly. among those, that HE does not suppoort the iraq war, and that he did not attack countless OTHER musicians who were/are against the war.

evidence. it's what's for dinner

[rebel with a cause]

159. Toby's friend Willie says there is a reason

that toby and others attacked the Chicks and not others like him for speaking up against bush and his war. They are women, and in some of these country music people's way of thinking they should keep their mouths shut and let the men do the talking. Willie stays friends with toby, but he has also came out and apoligized to the Chicks for not speaking up in thier defense, and has said that those that attacked them was wrong to do so.

[aspergris]

160. that;s great

and at least that is ONE piece of evidence.

again, *if* the dixie chix hadn't attacked HIS songs, I might agree with your conclusion.

but again, thanks for actually providing A piece of evidence. props to you.

[samsingh]

163. but he still supports bush - that much you agreed to

which still makes toby an idiot.

[liberal1973]

165. I disagree

IMO you can't in this situation. Iraq war is a bush/republican war based on lies.

The more I think about it the attack on the Dixie Chicks was largely based on the support for Iraq war.

There is ahole who put out a song supporting the Iraq war and it is a attack on the Dixie Chicks. The people behind this are from tobie keith's people.

Don't forget the douche bag comes running anytime Bush calls. Essentially the guy is bush's dog.
B-)

[liberal1973]

166. hmm..

I think tobie keith is a coward because he's a opportunist.

Tobie keith supports the Iraq war. Also tobie keith being stupid is no excuse.

[samsingh]

141. why doesn't he go fight in Afgan. then?

[aspergris]

158. this tired meme again

scores of millions of americans support the war in afghanistan.

heck, i do.

so what? so, every one of us should be fighting there?

[jakem]

142. missing option: both?

[BryMan]

155. OMFFSM

#1 Toby Keith ISN'T Southern, Oklahoma ISN'T part of the South.
#2 "He's living in the past and so (ARE) his fans", I'm from the South but can use English better than that yeesh.
#3 This makes 3-4 of your choices in the poll empirically WRONG.

He is a giant douchebag tho, and should be beaten untill he has detached retinas for playing bad music. :spank:

[Zomby Woof]

156. What is this "southern mentality" you bleat of?

Is your argument so weak that you can't slam Toby Keith on the basis of his considerable shortcomings, without dragging hypocritical regional prejudices into the mix? That's no better than what the conservatives and Republicans do when attempting to mock and belittle liberals and Democrats.

[Skittles]

157. typical gung-ho for war / never served a day in his life repuke

and spare me the "he's a dem" schtick - he's no more Dem than O'Reilly is fair and balanced.

[salguine]

161. The question is weirdly phrased. ALL values are "true" values; it's just that

different people have different ones. Did you mean "southern representative of GOOD values" or "good clean wholesome Family Circus values"? Or were you meaning to imply that southern values are bigotry, bloodlust and stupidity?

For what it's worth, he's a dickweed, and he's ignorant, bigoted, bloodthirsty and stupid. That's my take.