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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:18 AM
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What would it take for Obama to Lose? Obama @368EV, but 253EV if 3% of votes Uncounted & 6% Switched
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 01:54 AM by tiptoe

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7/24 Election Model: Obama 368EV, State-54.1%, Natl-53.8%; 253EV if 3% votes Uncounted & 6% Switched - x (TIA)





2008 ELECTION MODEL
A  Monte Carlo  Electoral  Vote  Simulation



Updated: July 24

Press REFRESH after linking to a graph to view the latest update.

  • ?click">Chart   State Poll Aggregate + Projection Trend
  • ?click">Chart   National 5-Poll Moving Average Projection
  • ?click">Chart   State vs. National: Vote Share Projection Trends
  • ?click">Chart   Battleground-State Polls
  • ?click">Chart   Battleground-State Win Probability
  • ?click">Chart   Obama Electoral Vote Simulation Frequency
  • ?click">Chart   Electoral Vote + Win Probability Trend
  • ?click">Chart   Electoral Vote + Projected Vote Share Trend
  • ?click">Chart   Undecided Voter Allocation + Win Probability
  • ?click">Chart   Monte Carlo Electoral Vote Simulation Trials
     2008 Election Model Fraud Analyzer 
  • Uncounted  &  Switched Votes
  • ?click">Chart   Effect on Obama Projected Vote Share
  • ?click">Chart   Effect on Obama Projected Electoral Vote
  •  
     
    This
    State
    National
    State
    National
    Monte Carlo
    Simulation

    Update
    Poll
    5-Poll
    2-party
    2-party
    Expected

    7/24/2008
    Aggregate
    Average
    Projection
    Projection
    ELECTORAL VOTE

    Obama
    McCain
     47.06 (53.33) 
     41.18 (46.67) 
     47.20 (53.03) 
     41.80 (46.97) 
    54.12
    45.88
    53.80
    46.20
    368
    170


        

    15-Poll

    End

    Sample

    Poll
    NATIONAL MODEL
     
    Pre   Undecided-Voter Allocation 
    5-Poll Mov Avg             2-Party          
     
    2-Party Projection  (60% UVA)
    5-Poll Mov Avg

    5P MA

    Trend
                                
    Rasmussen
    Gallup
    NBC
    NYT/CBS
    ABC/WP

    Zogby
    Quinnipiac
    Newsweek h
    Pew
    CNN

    DemCorp
    Time
    Bloomberg
    USA Today
    Newsweek
    Date
                
    23-Jul
    22-Jul
    21-Jul
    14-Jul
    13-Jul

    13-Jul
    13-Jul
    10-Jul
    29-Jun
    29-Jun

    25-Jun
    25-Jun
    23-Jun
    19-Jun
    19-Jun
    Size
                
    3000LV
    2645RV
    1003RV
    1462RV
    1000RV

    1039LV
    1725LV
    1037RV
    1574RV
    906RV

    2000RV
    805RV
    1115RV
    1310LV
    896RV
    MoE
                
    1.79%
    1.91%
    3.09%
    2.56%
    3.10%

    3.04%
    2.36%
    3.04%
    2.47%
    3.26%

    2.19%
    3.45%
    2.93%
    2.71%
    3.27%
    Obama
                
    48
    46
    47
    45
    50

    47
    50
    44
    48
    50

    49
    47
    49
    50
    51
    McCain
                
    45
    42
    41
    39
    42

    40
    41
    41
    40
    45

    45
    43
    37
    44
    36
    Spread
                
    3
    4
    6
    6
    8

    7
    9
    3
    8
    5

    4
    4
    12
    6
    15
     
    Obama
                
    47.0
    47.0
    47.8
    47.2
    47.8

    47.8
    48.2
    47.6
    48.6
    49.0

    49.2
    48.4
    48.6
    48.2
    48.0
    McCain
                
    41.8
    40.8
    40.6
    40.6
    40.8

    41.4
    42.4
    42.8
    42.0
    42.8

    41.0
    40.2
    40.6
    41.6
    41.8
    |
    Obama
                
    53.03
    53.53
    54.07
    53.76
    53.95

    53.59
    53.20
    52.65
    53.64
    53.38

    54.55
    54.63
    54.48
    53.67
    53.45
    Win Prob
                   
    99.15
    99.42
    99.76
    99.55
    99.71

    99.35
    99.07
    96.45
    99.37
    98.86

    99.89
    99.83
    99.84
    99.20
    98.06
     
    Obama
                
    53.80
    54.32
    54.76
    54.52
    54.64

    54.28
    53.84
    53.36
    54.24
    53.92

    55.08
    55.24
    55.08
    54.32
    54.12
    McCain
                
    46.20
    45.68
    45.24
    45.48
    45.36

    45.72
    46.16
    46.64
    45.76
    46.08

    44.92
    44.76
    44.92
    45.68
    45.88
    Diff
             
    7.6
    8.6
    9.5
    9.0
    9.3

    8.6
    7.7
    6.7
    8.5
    7.8

    10.2
    10.5
    10.2
    8.6
    8.2
    Win Prob
                   
    99.83
    99.90
    99.95
    99.92
    99.94

    99.85
    99.76
    98.88
    99.82
    99.59

    99.97
    99.96
    99.96
    99.77
    99.32
    MoE
                
    2.49%
    2.74%
    2.83%
    2.82%
    2.80%

    2.83%
    2.66%
    2.88%
    2.86%
    2.91%

    2.91%
    3.09%
    2.97%
    2.99%
    3.27%
     

     

    Based on the latest state polls, projections and win probabilities, the 5000-election trial Monte Carlo simulation indicates that Obama will win 54.1% of the two-party vote with 368 electoral votes — if the election is fraud-free and held today. The projection base case scenario assumes that he will win 60% of the undecided vote allocation (UVA). The national model 5-poll projection average confirms the state model (within 0.3%) and indicates that he will win 53.8%.

    Since Obama won all 5000 Monte Carlo (MC) simulation election trials, his electoral vote win probability is 100%. The probability of winning the electoral vote is based on a 5000 trial Monte Carlo simulation; the probability of winning the popular vote is calculated using the Excel normal distribution function. The near 100% match of state and national model vote shares and win probabilities confirms the polls as well as the mathematical methodology — just as it did in the final 2004 Election Model projection.

    But there’s a catch: It’s called Election Fraud.
    In a true democracy, this would be a slam dunk for Obama.
    The Democratic True Vote is always greater than the Recorded Vote.

    In 2000 and 2004, the discrepancy was primarily due to two factors:
    1. 5 million votes (70-80% Democratic) were uncounted in 2000; 3 million in 2004.
    2. In 2004, approximately 5 million Kerry votes were switched to Bush.

    ...
     



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    liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 04:14 AM
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    1. ... and should'nt we expect they'll increase their
    election theft numbers and percentages? Possibly 9 million uncounted and 7.5% switched? They've been hard at work disqualifying existing voters and making it more difficult for new voters to register.

    We need to win by a larger margin. A landslide, hopefully!




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    tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 08:01 AM
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    2. yep: "...Republicans continue their efforts to disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters. ...
    Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 08:42 AM by tiptoe
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    tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:02 PM
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    3. "a landslide"...necessarily. nt
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    tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:28 PM
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    4. CHART -- Effect of Fraudulent Uncounted and Switched Votes on Obama Electoral Vote Projection
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    debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:39 PM
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    5. Keep it kicked. They stole two. They WILL try again.
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    tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 08:44 PM
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    6. yep! ...and if recommending...
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    Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 08:51 PM
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    7. The trick is....
    Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 08:52 PM by Canuckistanian
    Make the legitimate projected vote count significantly larger than the anticipated results less the election fraud effect.

    I would suggest basing that number on the 2000 election fraud Bush gains.

    I'd like to see those numbers instead of the "straight" statistical numbers.
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