Looks like Obama wants to keep Iran from having a nuke...

[Subdivisions]

along with the entire rest of the world thrown in for good measure.

I can go for that.

[vadger1]

1. Except...

Except that Iran has no intention of enriching uranium so this pointless posturing about Iran being a grave threat is just him pandering to the center.

Maybe if we wanted to get rid of nuclear capabilities we should start with us?

[Postman]

2. Excellent point.

and pandering to AIPAC

[blues90]

4. exactly!

[nels25]

5. Uh Iran does not want a Nuke??

Okay if you say so.

You don't mind if I am the smallest bit skeptical do you?

If they talk like an enemy, act like an enemy and threaten us like an enemy. Than it might be a could idea to be careful with them because you know what?? They might be an enemy.

[Hydra]

6. You might want to read the findings from the NIE

Before you assume what you're hearing is correct.

[Phx_Dem]

8. ElBaradei from the IAEA stated in a recent interview

that Iran could have a functional nuke and delivery system in 6 months to a year. The latest IAEA report is quite clear that Iran is STILL not in compliance with the NPT.

http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2008/gov2008-15.pdf

edit--spelling

[Hydra]

13. That was generally a uninformative 6 pages

Let me sum it up: "Almost everything we've been able to verify is within acceptable parameters, but we still have various questions we'd like answered that are probably bogus intel"

The NIE was a bit more informative- they had a weapons program(which they probably should have continued- they would have had a better bargaining position), it's likely they know 80% or more of what they need to know to make a bomb, and they are not currently doing that.

Really, think about it. If they wanted nukes, they could ask Putin for some. Faster, easier, and Putin would agree to keep us better in check and as payback for the "missile defense shield" BS we're pulling.

[Phx_Dem]

15. couple quotes

The alleged studies on the green salt project, high explosives testing and the missile re-entry
vehicle project remain a matter of serious concern. Clarification of these is critical to an assessment of the nature of Iran’s past and present nuclear programme. Iran has agreed to address the alleged studies. However, it maintains that all the allegations are baseless and that the data have been fabricated.

Contrary to the decisions of the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment related
activities, having continued the operation of PFEP and FEP and the installation of both new cascades
and of new generation centrifuges for test purposes. Iran has also continued with the construction of
the IR–40 reactor.

[TheWatcher]

18. Now, Dear Hydra, You KNOW that's too hard for posters like that.

It's far easier to turn on the Cathode "Tell Me What I Should Think" Help Center and listen to a few Bobbleheads on one of the Cable News Networks express Boilerplate Thought Memos on what our thinking toward Iran should be.

Reading the NIE Reports and researching for real facts?

That stuff's HARD.

Sadly, most will take the path of least resistance, and of course, the one that requires the least thought and effort.

[Hydra]

19. I know, I know

And I'm learning to ignore them, slowly. You can't teach someone who isn't ready.

I can't believe I spent hours arguing in the economy form about Freddie and Fannie about things that were EXPLICITLY STATED in the article.

I think I need some DU time off. The number of trolls/"I know what's right" people is getting insane.

[TheWatcher]

20. The sad thing is that not all of them are Trolls

There are a lot of self-proclaimed "experts" who think they are "insiders" and have the know on everything regarding the economy and what is going on in our financial Markets.

They think they are part of the Power Structure, failing to realize that the Criminals running this show aim to get what THEY have as well before it's all over.

The Fed, The Central Bankers, The Large Financial Institutions that are Too Big To Fail, The large Brokerage Houses and Trading Desks, The REAL Big Money.....They all know the game is up. They are focused on their own Self-Preservation at the expense of everyone else.

As far as FNM/FRE, the Propaganda is so thick that you'd have to be willfully ignorant to believe it.

If the TRUE Cost to Tax Payers was only going to be $25 Billion, FNM/FRE could have paid their OWN way out of this mess.

[vadger1]

10. Clarification.

I'm not saying they're not a terrible regime with serious issues with America -- no doubt about that. But all of the mainstream scholarship that came out recently says that Iran wants a nuclear reactor for energy. In order to enrich their uranium for military use they would need to begin an extremely expensive process that would take years, at least five if they are overt about it, more if they try to keep it in secrecy.

If they were actually developing nuclear weapons we would know about it, and they would suffer much more grave consequences then the saber-rattling Bush et al. are throwing at them.

Do you they want a nuke? Sure, then they could compete with Israel for mutual destruction. Can they realistically get one? No way.

[nels25]

14. Maybe:

but it has benn reported (with one disputing it) that Iran has a large amount of centrifuges and intends to acquire a large number more.

Now maybe they need all of them for peaceful purposes and than again perhaps not?

I also note that in negotiations of the past Russia and other nations have offered to provide enough fissionable material to run a reactor.

Now I know having served on nuke subs that a nuke reactor can not be turned into a bomb.

I also that we may want to be cautious considering how bellicose Iran has been come, all they ever do is refuse to consider any compromise on their nuclear program.

Now maybe they are going for peacefully use, problem is their rhetoric indicates that they maybe wanting/willing to go farther.

Is this a chance that the US should reasonable be willing to take??

If we do and they do get a bomb, what happens if they threaten to use it?

Are they nuts enough to strike the first blow on Israel (the way some talk I wonder) even knowing they will get turned into a parking lot if they do.

Will this spark a regional nuke arms race in the mid east? If it does what do we do about it??

What will Russia and China do about it?

These things need to be thought thru.

I want us to pursue a intelligent policy concerning Iran, but I want to be careful also.

It just may be that Iran does want the bomb?

[krispos42]

3. Which is entirely reasonable

Iran has signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.



The difference between Barack and Dubya is that Dubya wants Iran to not have the knowledge of how to build a nuclear weapon, which I guess means nuking all universitites with physics departments in Iran.

[Hydra]

7. Bush doesn't care if they have a bomb or not

I wonder if he'll look under his desk for them again.

The open question now is where Obama really stands in this regard.

The world is passing us by while we try to lie about the threat another country poses...again.

[krispos42]

9. Bush wants to cap his legacy with the use a nuclear weapon

At least three, because Truman used two, and Bush wants to beat that record! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


Obama will both listen to the intelligence servies and let the IAEA do its job. And without the PretzelTwit threatening to nuke Iran, Iranian progressives will be able to influence their government again and elect people that are also progressive.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. And yet people seem to keep forgetting that fact.

"The difference between Barack and Dubya is that Dubya wants Iran to not have the knowledge of how to build a nuclear weapon, which I guess means nuking all universitites with physics departments in Iran."

We have a winner! Great response!

[krispos42]

12. And don't forget that Bush plastered all of Iraq's nuclear-weapons research papers on the Internet

In the original Arabic, so that members of the public could help translate them.


I'm sure many countries liked learning how to properly time the shaped charges that cause a nuclear fission. It's a pretty difficult task to implode uranium or plutonium to the uniformity and density for a fission explosion.


Oddly, that's not talked about anymore. Go figure.

[Junkdrawer]

16. My bet is that Big Oil will let Iran have a nuke - IF Iran agrees to allow...

Big Oil to drill Iraq's oil.

[AZ Criminal JD]

17. Rest of the world?

I guess you are not counting Russia and China who are aiding Iran, just to name a couple.