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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:05 PM Original message |
Batman is a fascist. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. well, that's kinda the point. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Certainly a valid interpretation. Batman is not a "good guy," despite the fact that |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. yes, i got that about the human shields. and the wiretapping is given a happy face -- you know, |
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kydo (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. shout out from winter park ... nt |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. right on. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. there's a thread I saw earlier about David Edelstein's review of the movie |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. we just heard this on weekend fresh air, on the way to home depot. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. in graphic novels like the original "Dark Knight," or the later "Kingdom Come," |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. a lot has been said about Frank Miller's Ayn Randian objectivism. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I have also subsequently heardtell about Miller's "libertarianism," as it's couched... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. yeah, 300 was craptacular... |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Frank Miller is wroking on something with the working title: Batman vs. Al Qaeda |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Twenty years ago Frank Miller was a visionary |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
79. I think anyone who has had an orgasm would not take Ayn Rand seriously... |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Yeah, I'm not so sure I believe that one. |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 05:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. "The Spirit" OMG, the late, great Will Eisner must be |
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TlalocW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
6. The stuff about facism and Batman is often a theme in Batman and other comics |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Superhero stories aren't about facism, but feudalism. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. yeah -- that's kinda the point -- that, noblesse oblige isn't worth the dictionary it rode in on |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. Saw the movie "Hancock" last night. |
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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's a movie |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Heh! Hope they don't make a counter culture road runner movie |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. back away from the zeitgeist -- you might hurt yourself. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
65. At least he didn't watch Boondock Saints (nt) |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
75. It's NOT "just a movie" |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. We thought John Ashcroft was a fascist, also, until he indicted |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. "we thought" ?? are you saying "we're" in agreement that Ashcroft is now a hero of Democracy? |
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Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. He's also a fictional character. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Who said he wasn't? |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
76. No -- Batman is a "fictional character" in a film intended to reflect "hyperreality" and not |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. "Go back to sleep?" |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. hey, settle down -- it's a rhetorical turn you brute. |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I take it you'll not be at the next Plastic-Man protest rally. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. That's not stated anywhere in the post |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. It's a bit simpler than that |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. me too -- the "you complete me" line was priceless. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. I've always had a problem with stories where one character... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Smallville's Green Arrow is interesting for this -- portrayed as a kinder, gentler capitalist |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I don't know about all that... |
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Captain Angry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. The Howells were fun. |
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ColbertWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. LOL! Good point. n/t |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. heck yeah -- the poor people would be the yachts staff |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Lex Luthor was always an asshole |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 04:01 AM Response to Reply #25 |
80. In teh comic books, Queen lost his fortune... |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. If it doesn't have Adam West I don't want to see it. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
32. I definitely identified with the Joker |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. Then you seriously need some help. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
60. your observation about the ferry scene is right on. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
36. Thats why I liked Captain Planet |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
38. WHAT? Batman is a MORALLY AMBIGUOUS character?!?! WHO WOULD'VE KNOWN? |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I'm with you. Great post! |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. thank you nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Great post. Batman's ambiguity is the selling point of the character and the franchise. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. exactly, he was never packaged or sold as the icon of goodness that this guy |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. and the Illiad is just a poem. the point is, these stories tell us a lot about ourselves. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
71. im going to quote myself. |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
77. The righteous f**king indignation of f**king "rch35" |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
69. Right on. |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. thank you. its an amazing movie, in my opinion, adn the fact that i think |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. The spying didn't bother me in that case |
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rch35 (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Haha, i was attempting a joke, i didnt have any qualms with it either |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
39. Any extreme precipitates the appearance of its opposite, equally destructive counterpart. |
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mduffy31 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
42. Seriously |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. Seriously |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
44. I believe in certain kinds of vigilante justice |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. Batman Begins was loaded with subtle anti death penalty commentary |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
45. He's not a fascist...he's just insane. |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
47. Oh noes, not Batman! |
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FKA MNChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 05:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Yes, Toki |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
49. Batman is not a documentary |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Not so certain. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
51. Oh good grief. Nobody would conjure up this blither if everybody kept to the 1966 TV show version. |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. The 1966 TV show version was a complete travesty of Bob Kane's vision. |
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prayin4rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
53. Did you watch the end? |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
54. What a steaming load of horse manure (caution: spoilers in response). |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 03:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Wow, don't go see Ratatouille, then. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. no, i don't need therapy -- i disagree with you, and last i checked, that's still allowed. |
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gmudem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. Great post. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-20-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
66. You don't think that health care extortion bit might just be a subtle way of noting... |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-21-08 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
78. "24" was just a popcorn TV show. Inspired Guantanamo torture? Get over it. |
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