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Winston. Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:12 PM
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Myth of Consensus Explodes, Opens Global warming Debate
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 05:14 PM by Winston.
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"

In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."

According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."

Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming. "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."

http://www.dailytech.com/Myth+of+Consensus+Explodes+APS+Opens+Global+Warming+Debate/article12403.htm
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:14 PM
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1. Well, at least Al got a Nobel prize out of it.
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:17 PM
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2. Nice try idiot. It's already been debunked!
"After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large." Once more, the denialists get caught with their pants down!

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:05 PM
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13. Figures. Thank you for posting n/t
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:17 PM
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3. Bzzzz.. Try again. The Official APS stance from their web site
Bold is mine so you can read easier.


APS Climate Change Statement

APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."


An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

http://www.aps.org/
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:18 PM
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4. Damn.
How many sock puppets you got?
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:19 PM
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5. Read what APS has to say about it
This is direct from www.aps.org:

APS Climate Change Statement
APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:21 PM
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7. Ha. Beat ya!
:D

Bet he ignores both of us though. :P
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:20 PM
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6. Bombastic Global Warming Denial leads to premature tombstoning
:popcorn:

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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:21 PM
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8. Look at the beginning of that article
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 05:24 PM by flyingfysh
You find this:

The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article's conclusions.

You can find this at http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 05:40 PM
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9. APS says: ""Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone..."
APS has posted on their website http://www.aps.org/
that their position has not changed.

Michael Asher's blog appears to be a regular source
of global warming denialism
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:07 PM
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10. "Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration"
That's the most telling data item in that post.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 06:14 PM
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11. Monckton has a degree in classics and a diploma in journalism
Monckton is totally debunk by the scientific community
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/nov/14/science.comment
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-08 07:03 PM
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12. More anti-science, neo-con bullshit....no thanks.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-08 07:04 PM by bowens43
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