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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 09:50 AM Original message |
Army to shoot live pigs for medical drill |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Pigs have the closest skin. fat ratio to humans. Pigs step on landmines for Walter Reed, etc. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. what, a real live shooting war isn't providing enuff experience? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. They used to station surgeons at inner city emergency rooms. nt |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Would you want your son or daughter to be a medic first case outside the classroom? |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'd rather not have combat medics go in to combat with nothing but computer sims |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Exactly |
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Prefer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. Sad Sad Sad |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I think PeTA has a problem with cow towing, too. |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You ever try to push one? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. That has its own unique set of ugly consequences |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. They are much easier to tip. nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. "cow towing"?? Is that covered by AAA road service? |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. Come on, Tahiti |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. Instead of pigs, they should use yellow elephants. |
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Jeanette in FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I'm going with "Chicken Hawks" |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. The Army's plan to practice surgery skills on injured/shot pigs seems reasonable on its face. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
12. It's amazing how actually having a loved one in a combat zone changes your perspective. |
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RidinMyDonkey (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. Well I'm still standing up for the pigs |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Agreed |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. If your nephew is there you should know that Doctor's don't travel with the troops |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I remember receiving some NBC training where they showed goats being subjected to |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. ... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. hahaha I love that video! |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Well, I am gonna be buying |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I learned something new. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Are your doctors underfire dealing with gunshots and amputated limbs on the scene |
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RidinMyDonkey (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I have several loved ones in Iraq |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Then I don't think you realize the job that a medic does. |
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RidinMyDonkey (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Even if that is the case |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. cmon |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Dead tissue does not react the same. The pigs are not awake when shot |
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RidinMyDonkey (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Going by that logic |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Because the pigs tissue is very similar to humans |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. "pigs tissue is very similar to humans" |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Pretty Simple Minded Analogy You've Got There. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
19. more worthy reason to die: training medics to save lives? McD's sausage biscuit? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Now, the pigs can get shot, fixed up, and *then* turned into Sausage biscuits. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Ooooooooooooooo |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I know... |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
23. Good. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
26. I would imaging that they anesthetize the oinkers before shooting them. |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
28. Anything that helps our Stormtroopers in their quest for oil |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Wow. I'm going to leave it at wow. Anything else would end up deleted by the mods. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. It's not the troops' choice where or why they fight. nt |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
36. Ehhh, I See No Issue With It. It's For The Right Reasons And Those Reasons Are Important. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
41. Well....normal doctors are pretty good at treating gunshot wounds and they don't shoot pigs. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. You want to send Medics to Medical school and then to do a residency at a hospital? |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Well...yeah, maybe. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Paramedics are in completely different circumstances though |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Yes, these are the kinds of things you figure out before you go to war. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Well duh, look who is in charge ! |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Send the medics to San Francisco General Hospital... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Really? Hospitals are going to allow their patients to be practice victims for the military? |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. And normal doctors |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. A month or two at an inner city hospital would basically guarantee a couple of gunshot wounds. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. A couple gun shots in a trauma center isnt the same |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Well....but while they do these pig excercises, are they going to be fired at? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. What hospital or EMT service is going to risk the liability? |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Clearly you have not spent much time... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I'm thinking the Medic would much prefer San Fransisco General. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
42. Meh. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
46. Fucking gorey cruel bastards! |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
52. There is NO reason for them to be doing this.... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. They aren't training the surgeons, they are training the MEDICS |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
61. Whoa, doggie. Respect creation and all life if you aspire to self respect. |
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