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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:46 PM
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John McCain is going to raise taxes on working people with health care
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 01:46 PM by JohnnyRingo
Here is something to point out to every friend you have with an employer based health care plan who thinks "McCain will cut their taxes".

You've probably heard the highlights of McCain's plan, where he'll credit everyone who buys a plan to help defray the cost of private insurance, but read down a ways to see the lowlights (paying for it):

While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit - effectively cash - of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider. Those obtaining innovative insurance that costs less than the credit can deposit the remainder in expanded Health Savings Accounts.

It's like real money, except the HMO gets the check sent directly to them!

Under McCain's plan, anyone could get the credit, and those who like their company health care plan could choose to stay in it. The credit would be available as a rebate to people at lower income levels who have no tax liability, Holtz-Eakin said.

So people who earn minimum wage will be able to save the rest of the $2500 they receive after they're done paying premiums all year.

Such write-offs have limited value because average family health care plans cost about $12,000 a year, says Ken Thorpe, a health policy professor at Emory University in Atlanta. Also, many insurers won't accept individuals with pre-existing medical problems, he says.

After the self insurers pay $1000 per month all year, they get a rebate for $5000 that's paid directly to the insurer.

The Bush administration has proposed health care tax deductions of $7,500 for individuals and $15,000 for families.

He always was a compassionate conservative.

"No one should believe that John McCain is of the opinion that the current individual market is a great place to go shopping for insurance; it's not," Holtz-Eakin said.

He's not stupid, he knows it's much better to be on a plan that's provided by the taxpayers... like John McCain.

Here's the part he doesn't talk about much on the road. The part that affects those with employer sponsored health care:

To pay for the tax credit, McCain would eliminate the tax exemption for people whose employers pay a portion of their coverage, raising an estimated $3.6 trillion in revenues, Holtz-Eakin said. Companies that provide coverage to workers still would get tax breaks. McCain would also cut costs by limiting health care lawsuits.

Tax exemption?
My employer's health care plan is now an "exemption" that will qualify as taxable income if McCain becomes president. As a bonus, we wont waste any time in court if they operate on the wrong leg. That'll help drive cost and quality down for everyone.

When Obama or Hillary speak of letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, McCain calls it a "tax increase on the people who need the money most". But McCain will institute a new tax on our health care, and he calls it "eliminating an exemption".

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/NewsReleases/Read.aspx?guid=f8319887-1528-40aa-971a-402f7d1adb9e

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-28-McCain_N.htm

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:57 PM
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1. K&R - this made me want to puke.....
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 01:24 PM by axollot
...being disabled I've been through the health care wringer. My family could never afford Mclames plan. He probably doesn't even fucking under STAND the damn thing.

Truth is, he is sooooooo lazy, all the *advisor's* do *everything* PRE-RUBBER STAMPED by the 'figure' head. Just like *.......that is where they are most the same. They cannot think for themselves.

grrrrrr......
Oh and get this, I was 'detained' while at my regular docs office because they suspected me of being a 'doctor' shopper! Thing is while applying for SSDI you see different doctors and sign all sorts of papers. My doctor dismissed me, without medications AND I was never even arrested. I was released AT the doctors office.

So this makes me *extra* sick in light of Friday's events. (I'm also bruised up and dislocated a shoulder, my weak point all for the sake of handcuffing me extra hard for 4 HOURS!)

/rant off

Cheers
Sandy

I should mention, that while I studied law in Australia, I know it well enough in the US and hubby is a law expert himself. So, the main reason I was held so long is the slowness of the laptops in use (if you've seen the Verizon ad about internet being everywhere, just think to yourself - *fuck off verizon*) in the police vehicles. BUT, I was hurting pretty bad and after a bit of the shock wore off and they kept telling me I am lieing and if told the truth, I would be released - I said "I've told you all my information, if you have questions ask them, otherwise, release me, arrest me and get me a lawyer now please." I was released.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:05 PM
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2. McCain has no clue about the real problem,
his health care needs have always been covered, free of charge.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:21 PM
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3. The way he sees it, the problem is
that his BFFs in the insurance biz aren't getting enough taxpayer money. This plan taxes working Americans and hands the money to insurance companies. That's your compassionate conservatism at work, all righty.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:22 PM
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4. Please define whether both Mc'C & Bush's proposals refer to a tax credit


versus a tax deduction. It's hard to follow, iirc McC's is a credit, and Butch wants a deduction. BIG DIFERENCE! If so, Bush's plan is waaaaaaaay more stingy!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:53 AM
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5. All rwers need to have their noses rubbed in this
I've been on it for a couple of months.

Eliminate the tax credit for companies to supply health insurance and give them an excuse to eliminate the benefit, and kiss employer-supplied health insurance good-bye. Then, give people too little money to buy their own, and the number of uninsureds will soar.

I work at a hospital. My job would disappear, too.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:11 AM
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6. I'm glad someone gets it
It's union breaking on a Reagan scale.
Stop employer sponsored benefits and lower overall wages, and coerce workers to shun negotiated health care in favor of private plans.

Keep us poor for generations.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:13 AM
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7. Conservatives view this as a means of eliminating the sick, overtime,
in much the same way they saw Katrina as a means of eliminating the poor. They really see nothing wrong with McCain's policy, it's just "business".:-(
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:18 AM
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8. McCain's people originally stated that his plan would eliminate the deduction for employers
who pay for employee health insurance. Then they said that is NOT what they said. The McCain campaign can't even explain their own stinking plan. I thought ***I*** had confused what the McCain camp was saying, but apparently they confused everyone in the media as well or have done a huge flip flop on health care.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21575477/

So now the explanation is that if your employer pays for some portion of your health insurance, that amount will be added into your W2 and you will get a tax credit of either $2500 or $5000?

And McCain doesn't eliminate the loophole for paying for preexisting conditions.
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