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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 01:57 AM
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I strongly recommend that DUers watch the film "Sophie Scholl -- The Last Days"
Sophie Scholl who was the only female member of the White Rose Society, an organization that distributed leaflets denouncing the government of Hitler. From my knowledge of WWII, the film pretty accurately depicts the repression of that period.

In a nutshell, Sophie was put to death by guillotine merely for handing out leaflets and for speaking her mind.

\\The White Rose group believed that the young people of Germany had the potential to overthrow Adolf Hitler and the Nazi government. In one leaflet, Fellow Fighters in the Resistance, they wrote: "The name of Germany is dishonoured for all time if German youth does not finally rise, take revenge, smash its tormentors. Students! The German people look to us."

The White Rose group also began painting anti-Nazi slogans on the sides of houses. This included "Down With Hitler", "Hitler Mass Murderer" and "Freedom". They also painted crossed-out swastikas.

Members also began leaving piles of leaflets in public places. On 18th February, Sophie Scholl and Hans Scholl began distributing the sixth leaflet produced by the White Rose group. Jakob Schmidt, a member of the Nazi Party, saw them at the University of Munich, throwing leaflets from a window of the third floor into the courtyard below. He immediately told the Gestapo and they were both arrested. They were searched and the police found a handwritten draft of another leaflet. This they matched to a letter in Scholl's flat that had been signed by Christoph Probst.

The three members of the White Rose group appeared before the People's Court judge, Roland Friesler, on 20th February. Found guilty of sedition they were executed by guillotine a few hours later. Just before he was executed Hans Scholl shouted out: "Long live freedom!"

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERschollS.htm

The First Amendment, which guarantees our right to free speech, is our most precious right. Beware of movements that do not tolerate ideas that differ from their own or that attempt to exclude from their midst individuals who do not agree with everything that the group believes. Beware of movements who revere their leader or admire their leader and cannot tolerate statements by people who are less enthusiastic about their leader.

The movie is excellent, but it is not an action movie. It seemed to be a filmed play. But it was an honest and moving depiction of the terrible repression of free speech that occurs when individuals become obsessed with the rightness of a movement or with their admiration of a leader and cease to practice tolerance for the ideas of those who disagree with their movement or criticize the leader of their movement.

Groups that repress free speech always believe that the repression is rational and in fact necessary in order to assure the achievement of the goals of the movement. Such groups always believe that unless the movement succeeds, there will be a disaster -- some terrorist act by those who disagree with the movement or some other horrible result. Such groups always believe that the goals of the movement are so important that they override other considerations. The ends justify the means. This is the common thread that runs through the NAZI and Communist movements, but also through many religious and other political movements. Beware. We all need to check our own ideas, our own hearts, to make sure that we are tolerant of those who do not agree with us or who agree with us only in part.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:02 AM
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1. A lot of parallels.
Thanks for the post. K & R
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:06 AM
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2. I second that recommendation!
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 02:21 AM by pnorman
Here it is at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Sophie-Scholl-Final-Julia-Jentsch/dp/B000H5V8H2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1215932442&sr=1-1

Of particular note is, that excerpts of the Gestapo filming of that trial is included in that DVD, as well as interviews with many of the survivors.

pnorman
On edit: I hadn't viewed that DVD for almost a year. Watching such films, especially for the second time, is usually quite unsettling, so I generally wait till I'm in the "proper" frame of mind. But I'll probably do so within a day or so. But my distant recollection of the Gestapo footage, shows that the HEROISM of those defendants in the film is confirmed in reality.
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:27 AM
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3. Thanks for the post.
:-)
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:28 AM
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4. Bill O'Reilly reminds me of Roland Freisler...
the judge who presided over the trial, and the chief justice of Hitler's "People's Court". The actor's portrayal in the movie was almost identical to the antics of the real Freisler.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:04 AM
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5. Good post, good reminder.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 03:04 AM by JohnnyLib2
There are many Americans, now as well as in the past, who have incredible first hand experience with that type of repression and its consequences.

Recommended
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:39 AM
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6. Almost a year to the day of 9-11 I was on a field trip with
a group of students that were going through a reproduction of what it was like in those last days. There was a man who was elderly who walked us through and explained to us what we were looking at and his personal account of living in Nazi Germany. He was a gentle small man. His grandchildren didn't want him constantly talking about these horrors, but I guess with some people coming out and saying they didn't happen, he must of felt like it was not a option. So he traveled the country with this Museum. I was almost stunned by the shift in thinking that was taking place in our country then, and knowing that history does repeat itself hope everyone that does see this young women's last days will ask themselves why we believe we can wait? Until....
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:10 AM
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7. is it available on the internet?
i'll add it to my netflix queue anyway.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:12 AM
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8. Moving it up
in my Netflix queue. Thanks for the recommendation. I've been watching a lot of movies focusing around the French Resistance for several months now and reading books on that topic as well. Perhaps it's time to move onto the other Fascist regimes tactics against dissent during the 30's and 40's.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:42 AM
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9. The real Roland Freisler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNi5256dhvM

footage from the actual trial... many clips available on YouTube. He was over the top.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:52 PM
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12. This clip is excellent.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 06:54 PM by JDPriestly
What we must remember is that the German democrats ACQUIESCED to the destruction of democracy after seeing their country being severely tested by economic disasters.

They ACQUIESCED to the loss of human rights just as our Democrats in Congress have ACQUIESCED to the dismantling of the Fourth Amendment.

Speak out now in a nonviolent way before it is too late.

There is nothing more important than defending our basic rights. We should not be tolerating secret government, or secret hearings in our Congress such as the hearing sponsored by Steny Hoyer last March.

Right now, our representatives and senators are ACQUIESCING to the pressures of those who believe that our democratic process and our rights under the Constitution must be "modified," (read ACQUIESCED) in order to protect us from all kinds of dangers.

Those who are ACQUIESCING to extremism and the loss of our rights are wrong.

This is the time that we need a leader who draws us together as a nation in strong trust of one another and in strong support for our Constitution. We need a true American who cherishes the rights of the American people. Many of us will end up like Sophie Scholl if the panicked abandonment of our democratic processes is allowed to continue.

We must continue to listen and speak to our fellow Americans of all political persuasions about the importance of maintaining the integrity of our Constitution in a nonviolent way. Let's remember that our disagreements on political issues are never so important that we should ACQUIESCE to the loss of political rights either for ourselves or for those with whom we disagree on issues. Peaceful dialog is the key to maintaining democracy.

I cannot tell you how heartbroken I am over the passage of the FISA Amendment. It is a brutal attack on the rights of Americans to speak freely to each other and with people in other countries. This will affect the quality of the news you read and the representation you receive in Congress.

Every representative, every senator how voted for that bill has betrayed our Constitution. God help them. They have ACQUIESCED their own rights under the First and Fourth Amendments as well as ours. There is no justification for their votes.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:12 PM
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13. Kudos on your post
Your words summarized my own mind. ty
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:26 PM
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10. the judges reminded me of Scalia and other fascists on Supreme Court
screaming bumper stickers instead of making arguments
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:56 PM
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11. Short clip on youtube
SOPHIE SCHOLL-THE FINAL DAYS
2 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM5A4ETW_Io

Added to my netflix list...thanks.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:49 PM
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14. The Six Pamphlets of the White Rose Society
Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as allowing itself to be "governed" without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct ...

... If at the start this cancerous growth in the nation was not particularly noticeable, it was only because there were still enough forces at work that operated for the good, so that it was kept under control. As it grew larger, however, and finally in an ultimate spurt of growth attained ruling power, the tumor broke open, as it were, and infected the whole body ...

...our present "state" is the dictatorship of evil. "Oh, we've known that for a long time," I hear you object, "and it isn't necessary to bring that to our attention again." But, I ask you, if you know that, why do you not bestir yourselves, why do you allow these men who are in power to rob you step by step, openly and in secret, of one domain of your rights after another, until one day nothing, nothing at all will be left but a mechanized state system presided over by criminals and drunks? Is your spirit already so crushed by abuse that you forget it is your right - or rather, your moral duty - to eliminate this system? ...

...We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will not leave you in peace!

... Support the resistance. Distribute the leaflets!

...We want genuine learning and real freedom of opinion. No threat can terrorize us, not even the shutting down of the institutions of higher learning. This is the struggle of each and every one of us for our future, our freedom, and our honor under a regime conscious of its moral responsibility ...


http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/whiterose.html
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:10 PM
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15. DU used to have a link to a site that tried to keep up the memory of Sophie
"The White Rose Society"....but sadly it became very radical and was no long a site fit for posting here. :-(
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