"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!"

[mcscajun]

ARGH!!! Butter sacrificed first, but look out; milk and beef are probably next. I gave up margarine Years ago, not just on taste and texture, but in the belief that real is better for you than fake, every time. I tried the new "organic trans-fat free Oreos" (I do keep an open mind, after all) -- they suck. Some time back, I'd sampled the Newman-Os, and they were barely acceptable. When is a croissant not a croissant? When it's made with palm oil. Ugh.

Natural trans fat may play a role in helping the body, preventing cancer and other diseases, but so what? Throw the baby out with the bathwater, go ahead.
:sarcasm:

So what's a poor omnivore to do? Stay home, cook and bake, that's what. I prefer my own cooking most of the time; it's certainly cheaper, and my cookies are better and cheaper, too.

Trans Fat Fight Claims Butter as a Victim

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Some researchers believe that the trans fat that occurs naturally in butter, meat, milk and cheese might actually be healthy. But to satisfy companies that want to call their foods completely free of trans fats, bakers like Mr. Reich are altering serving sizes, cutting back on butter and in some cases using ingredients like trans fat-free margarine.

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This artificial trans fat is the kind that New York City health officials decided to ban from restaurants, citing health studies that show that even a couple of grams of it a day can significantly increase the chance of a heart attack. Whether natural trans fats have the same health effect is still being explored by scientists, and some researchers believe the natural ones may actually be beneficial.

But to the Food and Drug Administration, which is in charge of most packaged food labeling, there is no difference between the trans fat that occurs in cows and other ruminant animals and the kind that is artificially created and favored in large-scale food manufacturing.

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“This is an important issue because anything made with animal fats will have trans fats and make it impossible to claim trans fat-free,” said Marion Nestle, nutrition professor at New York University. “Milk has trans fats, after all, and you can see what a mess this is going to cause.”

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As processed food manufacturers and fast-food restaurants struggle to find new kinds of trans fat-free oils, and some bakers struggle over what to do about butter, the natural trans fat in meat has gone largely unnoticed. (Two ounces of ground beef would be over the limit.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/07/dining/07tran.html

[mcscajun]

1. Hmmm....over 130 people looked in, and nobody had a comment?

Odd. :hi:

[malaise]

6. I hate margarine

I don't eat red meat or pork but I damn well enjoy my butter and I'm not giving it up. Given that the only truth I'm sure of is death, I'm enjoying what I like.

[mcscajun]

14. Well said!

good for you! :)

[Firepit 462]

2. eat healthy...live right....exercise....

still die.

I used to cut my firewood in an old burn area in Corona NM,property owned by an old family friend close enough to be family. Breakfast at "daddy buds" consisted of fried eggs, (and I mean eggs fried and served in 1/2" of lard), beans, bacon, pan fried potatoes, real green chile, bread, a bowl of onions for garnish, semi liquid coffee and a shot of wild turkey. And believe me the ridicule suffered for not "shootin a turkey" made the 6:00am shot of whiskey taste like pink lemonade. "Daddy Bud" was 73 when he died, .... in a car accident. At 73 there weren't 3 of us (mid 20's at the time) ballsy enough to pretend to take him.

Daddy bud was a walking example how exactly not to take care of your body. He smoked, drank, worked like a horse, and barely slept. If it weren't for a traffic accident that really was just a bad accident he would be mid eighties right now an "shootin turkey".

Work your body, exercise your mind, and eat whatever the hell you want.

[karlrschneider]

3. It's all a crapshoot anyway. My grandpa made it to 88 and ate the same

things you described...and smoked until his last day. The 'experts' are still full of shit.
edit: By the way, welcome to DU! :toast:

[Firepit 462]

4. Thanks, .......I just started reading Democratic Underground.

It's pretty amazing how many people are here.

[karlrschneider]

5. Most of us are actually sane. Keep that in mind when you get real exasperated.

:D

[Firepit 462]

7. Will do. low post count seems to be a weekness here and there

[karlrschneider]

8. It's a red flag to some...particularly if you say something remotely

controversial. But there are a few DUers who would go apeshit if you said "puppies are cute". :D

[Firepit 462]

10. I can appreciate that to a point,

There are some people here who seem to be spoiling for what ever argument they can find. I can't pretend to not have my own opnion, but I guess I can understand a new commer just looking like a spoiler.

I can understand that to a point. I understand what you mean, I've read some comments that seem more like bait, than a discussion.

[mcscajun]

15. Try not liking cats.

:hide:

[appal_jack]

27. hey, i like cats!

the chinese place in town cooks them up real nice...

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :sarcasm: :hide:

-app

EDIT to add say welcome to DU Firepit! and also, hey, this is my 100th post! kind of a silly one, but I guess this is the type of sacrifice we've got to make to stop the authoritarian food-nazis and uptight cat fanciers.

[Firepit 462]

31. I have to say that before we got married I was not a cat person,

But she cured me of that. I'm still not a cat person, except for our cat. So I think I'm a cat snob, but "Maverick" really has becoame my little buddy. Although not so little.

He is 7 years old, a Maine Coon. All 20 1/2 lbs of the little bean bag. He is not fat, he is just a big frickin cat. When he got drywall dust in his eyes, the vet told us he could stand to lose a pound or two but said it was not uncommon to see a 20 lbs Maine Coon.

[Clark2008]

11. AMEN!!!

Now, I can't eat a lot anyway - but I eat what I want, just not tons of it. When I'm not pregnant, I drink and smoke, too.

My body tells me when I need something or don't - I just have to listen to it.

[Firepit 462]

I have a more "what my body can take" thing.

[Firepit 462]

12. I have a more "what my body can take" thing.

[Firepit 462]

13. hhmmmmm, sorry about the double thing.

[mcscajun]

17. Welcome to DU, Firepit 462

Eggs fried in lard, eh? Wow. Semi-liquid coffee? Double Wow.

Sounds like "Daddy Bud" had good genes on his side, but bad reflexes. At least he lived while he was here. :)

[Firepit 462]

26. I would never have tested his reflexes, not in this life.

I'm mid 30's, in pretty solid shape, and I would like to believe that my coordination is above average. I still have some growing to do before I would consider myself a match for him, at almost anything. Sometimes accidents do just happen.

Daddy Bud was a good man, his ways and beliefs were simple and easily understood. You never had to wonder what he thought, or what he meant. It made us proud just to be around him, and a slap on the back or a quick wink before "shootin a turkey", gave us the illusion that we were somehow close to his equal. Watching what you eat to Daddy Bud would have been to make sure the fork gets in your mouth.

He had a life that I envy, and miss him every time I see open space, which in NM is every day. I wish I did carry his genes, his wife is still living in rural NM but without Daddy Bud I would call it more like existing.

[mentalsolstice]

23. That's right!

My granddaddy lived to 90. For breakfast he had 2 eggs, bacon and toast (and butter!). At lunch he had a bologna sandwich, banana and a couple of cookies. Dinner was whatever my grandmother would cook him. However, he worked until he was 89...always walked to his office in the morning, back and forth at lunch, and then back home in the evening.

When he was 90 he had a stroke one night, and died peacefully, late the next morning.

[Firepit 462]

30. I sure miss him, but his accident was

a quick end, and I can be thankfull for that. Like Daddy Bud, Mary is super human healthy. But without him she is already gone, her body just doesn't know it.

[lonestarnot]

9. mmmm coookiesssss.

:lickslips:

[mcscajun]

16. LOL

Yeah. Cookies are sumptin' ain't they? :P

[sandnsea]

18. If possible, don't get fat

From everything I've read recently on health, due to mine and DH diabetes, cholesterol, thyroid, and other problems - the key seems to be not getting fat. So whatever combination of exercise and diet that keeps you from getting fat, or helps you lose weight, - that's what you do. I say if possible because I was gaining and gaining and gaining - and it was my thyroid so people really can have physical problems that cause weight gain.

[knight_of_the_star]

19. In all honesty

All this stuff about, "You're not supposed to eat this, its not healthy," is ridiculous. I was watching a special like this on CNN with a friend of mine who is as carnivorous as me and they were saying that you can't eat red meat its not healthy (I have my steaks just barely dead) you can't smoke it's not healthy (I don't smoke but my friend does, when she tried to quit cold turkey it made her life miserable, its not like she smokes that much anyway) you can't eat too much fish cause its not healthy (but I thought it was supposed to be healthy) you can't eat fried foods cause they're not healthy (right, and so what about all those folks who did for how long who also are still walking and talking) and you can't drink alcohol because it's bad for you, not just don't drink too much, don't drink period. Honestly to me they're saying if you want to live a long healthy life you can't actually live it and enjoy the finer things like good drink and good, hearty tasty food. If the experts say that you can't live life the way its meant to be lived, then even if I die at a young age from "unhealthy dieting" or some such nonsense, at least I'll be in Valhalla or Tir na Nog whichever one I end up in laughing it up with my ancestors for having actually lived!

[mcscajun]

20. Damn straight!

I always say: "Pick your poison and die accordingly." You could do everything right, and live six extra months, or you could do everything right, and get hit by a truck 20 years early. Conversely, you could do everything wrong, and drop dead at 50, or do everything wrong, and live to 82. There are no guarantees either way.

Hell, There is only way out of life...that's death. We're all going to go, but if we haven't lived before we do, well, there's no do-overs.

I'll see you in Tir na Nog. I'll be the one with the real butter croissants and the crab salad. :hi:

[knight_of_the_star]

21. Excellent!

I'll bring the beer and the fried fish and chips.

[mcscajun]

22. PARTY!!

:party: :toast: :bounce: :hippie: :smoke: :toast: :party:

[proud patriot]

24. We use Butter at our house

:patriot:

[riverdeep]

25. This particular case sounds like

an example of enforcement without all the facts. Things like this just create resentment and confusion and an attitude of 'it doesn't really matter anyway', as the commentary so far has shown. Part of it is a media and public that doesn't really understand that science, especially science related to humans in which it's difficult to isolate variables, as a normal process overturns previous results. It's not indicative of experts having no idea, but of hard to collect data.

Everyone has a relative that did everything wrong and never got 'punished'. But that's anecdotal evidence, and someone whose genes probably overcame any self inflicted abuse. Larger patterns reveal something different. Advice to the general public needs to strike a balance between health police and a free for all. Then people can make their own choices-and enjoy, or not, the consequences.

BTW-someone mentioned fat=death. It seems fat isn't really the issue, as much as being sedentary is.

[madokie]

28. Its butter for me, sugar too,

I make my own butter from time to time too. made my churn too out of an old ceiling fan, made the separator out of yet another one.;-) not to mention my homemade maple syrup either

[mcscajun]

32. Wow. I *am* impressed.

:)

[GoneOffShore]

29. It's the attack of the "Nutrition Police"

I saw this article yesterday and started to boil.

Yet another instance of government wanting to "nanny state" us into submission.

It stems back to farm subsidies and how we've allowed the "big boys" to take over our food supply.

:wtf: :mad: