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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:14 PM
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Homeless "Middle Class"
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 03:18 PM by SoCalDem
There have been many stories lately about homelessness. People get annoyed when they see people living in campers/cars/vans. I think many are frightened, because they are on the edge, themselves

Perhaps it scares them to actually SEE it near them..

Look at YOUR OWN situation:

What would happen if your company sold out/downsized/moved and all of a sudden your household had ZERO income..

Let's say it lasted 6 months..

After 6 months would you still have your house/apartment/car?

What if you had a good job, and a house or apartment that you could barely afford, and you had a car payment, and some debt..maybe some credit cards debt and some school loans?

The DEBT you owe, stays with you, no matter your job situation.

You could go from being a "normal person", with a kid or two, a few pets, living paycheck to paycheck and then in one fell swoop, you could lose it all..

What DO you do about those kids & pets?

You could drop off the pets at the pound, and live with the knowledge that the 8 yr old dog will be euthanized because you lost your job, and the cat may meet the same fate.....But are you willing to give up your kids because you can no longer feed them or give them their own bedroom?

Before you get booted out of your house & apartment, you will no doubt, stop paying, and start making excuses as you "hide" from the landlord/bank for a while./..but eventually they will make you move..

Maybe before that happens, you will have sold your stuff (or tried to)..but that cash may have to be used to try and hold on the credit cards you will surely have to use to stay alive (whether you can pay them for long, or not)..

Once you miss a few payments, your credit report will surely prevent you from even renting a place that's halfway decent..and many that are not even anywhere near halfway decent..

Your car insurance will go up, due to the credit report, and some employers will trash-can your application if they run a credit report (many do that these days)..

When you lost your job, you also lost your health care insurance (if you even had it), so if you or a kid gets sick, you are screwed again..

How do you buy food? Where do you store it? How do you cook it?

You have to buy prepared foods (usually the least healthy), or maybe you could steal fruit from trees you see in people's yards.. BUT if you do that and get caught, you will surely lose those kids...and might call extra attention to yourself & end up arrested for vagrancy

So..why not just "get a job"?..Walmart's always hiring..

Let's see.. an $8 hr job might at least give you SOME cash, but what DO you do with the kids while you work? Where do they go to school? How do they get there? What address do you use for them?

There are millions of women in this predicament .... men too.

Once you lose your grip on the "middle class", you are POOR.. there is no in-between.. no safety net.

Some will say..

what about subsidized housing?..around here it's a FIVE YEAR wait..

what about job training for a new job?...how do you live while you're "training"? and what DOES that "new job" pay? will that job even be there when you're done with "training"?


but but but.. what about welfare & food stamps?.. there are still some benefits to be had, but they are time-limited and many single Moms are actually scared to show how desperate they are, for fear that they will lose their children to foster care, so many never really lay out their dilemma..and even if they did, benefits are limited.

Millions of people are deluding themselves into thinking that it cannot happen to THEM...but it can.. and it does ..every day..
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:20 PM
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1. The reason for this is that what we call the "middle class" is the working class of yore.
"Middle class" is a way to make you feel like you have the mobility to live the life of a banker's child. You don't. People think that Karl Marx meant that the destitute were supposed to rise up. No, the proletariat--the workers who make the world as opposed to merely funding it from generations of taking--that's what we call the "middle class." What we call the poor, Marx called the lumpenproles.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:24 PM
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2. Yep.. code-speak re-defined the terminology
When I was little, middle class people were NOT office workers, teachers, nurses, mechanics, sales people..

They were lawyers, doctors, business owners, car dealers, architects, ..PROFESSIONAL people..

Credit cards made the first group "able" to live the life of the others...but only as long as they could afford the payments..

they CHARGED the lifestyle that the others paid for with cash..
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:11 PM
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8. Educators and RN's ARE professionals
with college degrees and beyond. Always were. They finally got organized and are now paid what they always were worth. See the history of the NEA for example.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:28 PM
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10. I was talking about their LIFESTYLES when I was young
In MY hometown, those people were not the ones with the "middle class" lifestyles...at least not like the others were.. They lived "amongst" the rest of us :)..and their pay definitely did not qualify most of them to live very "high-on-the hog"..
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:42 PM
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13. I remember some seemed to do a bit better than others.
Some of the high school teachers (some were coaches) always seemed to have new cars. One of them even had a large collection of rare guns (Civil War stuff). I was impressed at my young age.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:31 PM
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3. In a perfect world we would turn all the vacant, foreclosed single-
family homes into transitional group housing for the newly homeless.........

Sort of boardinghouses, with free room and board for a little while and then sliding scale......

But that would make way too much sense.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:32 PM
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4. In Santa Barbara County we have homeless programs. They funded by the State of California
and the Federal government. I work for the Alcohol, Drug and Mental Health Services Dept. Our county Board of Supervisors voted to not take the drastic cuts in our budget that we planned for. There is a community based organization that has convinced the police to let homeless people park their cars in gaurded parking lots some with porta potties.

There are people out there trying to do something about homelessness.

Yes any of us could be homeless next month. I was homeless once and almost homeless again 10 years later.

Some will make it back to middle class. I did. Many will never get out and die on the streets. I remember the last time when I felt that I would be homeless any day I went to a place were homeless people gather and sat with them for a while.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:55 PM
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18. ...
:thumbsup:
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:47 PM
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5. K&R
:thumbsup:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:49 PM
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6. it is currently happening to ALL OF US
some just sooner than others

it is a class war and a return to feudalism for those who survive
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:07 PM
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7. Welfare isn't all that helpful
And I've been at the bottom my whole life- and every step I've taken to get out, I get smacked down by the people above me.

No matter. Bushco has decided that everyone will now be a slave who will have to beg and grovel for the barest level of survival.

All of us will have a lot in common, at that point.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:25 PM
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9. If It Happened to Me, I Would Head for the Forest, Not The City
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:30 PM
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11. with your kids? you would be arrested for not sending them to school
and around here, most of the "forest" is actually "private property".:(
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:10 PM
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12. We Haven't Got any Kids
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:13 PM
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19. Parents who home school are certainly not arrested,
so I don't think someone living in the woods would be either. Living in the forest would definitely be an education!

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:57 PM
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14. And, you're male, right? So, you don't have to worry about camping alone
where there are men with guns drinking and drugging and you're vulnerable.

Right?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:52 AM
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20. That Would be a Problem in the City Too
Easier to hide from them in the forest.

I'm male but my lady would be with me.


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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:48 AM
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21. Um, not as many guns in full view in the city.
It's not safe anywhere, being homeless as a woman.

It would be nice if you could be a little more understanding and supportive, but I guess that's just not possible.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:01 PM
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15. EXCELLENT thoughts--nominated.
Only problem is.... the muddleclass will still get the attention.

"THE HOUSING CRISIS"..... muddleclass losing their homes.

WRONG--the housing crisis has gone on for decades, with NO attention!

"what about subsidized housing?..around here it's a FIVE YEAR wait.."

Thanks for publicizing that.. most don't GET that it's not just right there. And it will get much worse. HUD is "out of the housing business". :grr:

Actually, I'm almost afraid to speak any of this, because I think that this underlying fear is a large part of why there is so much discrimination.

Thanks for a well-put-together post!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:18 PM
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16. Ironically, we have a couple of mil in the bank ...
It has been a long hard save to get that. We never buy expensive shit. We could both drive Porches or Mercedes, but we have a Prius and a Volvo wagon (which we will trade on a 2010 Prius). We have a small, 105 year-old bungalow. We have zero debt.

But it seems ephemeral. My retirement from US Airways was shit-canned. We have inherited nothing. We have just saved against two damn good incomes. Dr. D. (58) is at the peak of her earnings, and she is one of the highest paid I/O psychologist in the world. Still .. we worry.

If we worry .. the rest of the country is in bad trouble. Know what I mean, Vern?

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:49 PM
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17. K&R!! Great Post...
I've always been saying that it could happen to ANYONE. One accident, one illness, one closed job, etc., you never know, you just don't. Your post is similar what happened to me.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:00 PM
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22. I won't repeat my opinions on this
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 05:24 PM
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23. It's very much the same where one of our sons lives..Concord, CA
Housing is so expensive there, since it's a San Fransisco "bedroom" community.. Teachers, police, nurses and many other people that every community needs cannot afford to buy there...even in a downturn. Their incomes just cannot support a mortgage necessary to LIVE there.. So they must rent..and even rents are sky-high because apartments are "not welcome" there..

Our son was incredibly lucky, because for about 5 years, he "commuted" to their spare bedroom.. His company did not "need" him an office, because of what he did.. but now the contract they had, has ended, and now he must be in an office..in Oakland :(.. He hated the fact that now he would have to commute...but the lucky guy lucked out again.. The BART station is in the basement of the building he now has an office in...and the station in their town is about a mile from their house..

But most are not as fortunate..
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