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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:13 PM Original message |
Women Dropping Out of Science Careers |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. The lab culture of science? |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Women don't want to devote their lives working on boner pills? |
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uberotto (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. hostile macho cultures... |
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FourPieRun (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. what field are you in? try construction, mining, manufacturing, etc. there is definitely a hostile |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. I agree |
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Smith_3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. geek is hostile macho?? |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:25 PM Original message |
Do you think its all in their head? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. All in whose head? |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well that's a good question... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Actually most of the UBER Geeks I know just don't know how to act around women |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Most UBER Geeks don't know how to act around anyone. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Tru dat... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I have an honorary membership in our local chapter. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I go to MIT every month. The culture is one of Social inappropriate but chaste behavior. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. yeah but just wait til they log online and watch what happens.. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. You are full of shit. Provide evidence of anything that leads to an MIT email or appologise. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. I dated a guy with Aspie's. they are NOT asexual. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
89. It's in the medical literature. Which I'm sure you know doesn't make it universal. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. yep, some of the most blatant sexism I've seen is from programmers |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. Wow |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Exactly. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. My female profs used to say that if our department was serious |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. My ex-SIL got her doctorate in Microbiology at age 27 |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. The daughter of my SO is getting her PhD in physical therapy next year. |
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FourPieRun (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. i can attest to that; in the mining business women are clearly not wanted by a lot of the guys worki |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Yeah but is mining ANYTHING like working in a lab or in IT? |
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FourPieRun (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. the OP mentioned engineering; engineers work in mining and other "macho" fields. nt |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. No scientist considers an engineer |
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FourPieRun (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
80. whatever, the OP mentioned engineering, and engineering definitely involves science. and there is d |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
93. That's fine with us; engineering is to science... |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. If they think working in science labs is a hostile macho environment |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It depends. If you own your own successful company |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
57. Corporate business is an anti-human environment |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
24. I wonder how many had decided to put off having a family until 35-44? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Exactly. n/t |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
25. They realize being a stay at home mom |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Have you done both? |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. The pressure to perform at work is relentless |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I've been both. The pressure in either situation can be relentless. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. So, you think I get breaks? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. You're damn right. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. I'm working on dropping out and going to grad school. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Oh give me a break |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Ummm . . . no. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #38 |
67. I've done both, too, and I agree. n/t |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. Absolutely staggering |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. good point |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I agree. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. The stats actually show women drop out prior to full professor positions compared to men |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. What trend? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. Except this isn't mostly complaints. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. "more women than men choose to be primary carers'" |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Yes, I'm sure about that. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I think "choose" is right. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. This is not a "choice"... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
94. Do women in science earn less than men? |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
29. "Women Dropping Out of Science Careers" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. What seems to be happening is that, in this economy, families get |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
65. Yup, I can't help but think that in a lousy economy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. We know that many do but, there is a threshhold that you reach |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. You know you're getting less than equal pay? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
59. Nice to see someone with the balls to say so! |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
73. Yes and I know it's illegal. |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. That sux! |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. I'm sorry to hear you got screwed. |
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ChickMagic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
82. I WAS forced out |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
41. It's hard to work in scientific fields and be a mom. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
42. I agree with this article... |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I am a female who went into IT infrastructure over the age of 35 |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Also a female (way over 35) in IT - I was just in a meeting |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Constructive criticism: You were leading the project, but were waiting for a subordinate to speak |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. it could have been her boss |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Uh, no, I was anticipating that my boss would address the situation |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. it was not intended as a condescending insult |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. ..... oops? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. It's an insult only if you choose to take it that way. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. "Sticking up for one's self" - as I did |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. By "telling on" the person... |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #48 |
66. I'm also in IT, as the lead its always been my job to setup the next project meeting. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I suppose it's easy to dismiss me and my concerns as being over-sensitive |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Loved that article as well... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. It's reassuring in a way to see you are lashing out at any who dare speak |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. "lashing out" Really? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. You can make any disagreement with you a gender issue if you wish |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
95. Isn't it a project lead's job to set up meetings? |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I agree with you. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
49. Deleted sub-thread |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
50. Very interesting article -- thanks, Liberal. nt |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. You are welcome! |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. good article |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
60. Macho may be the wrong word |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Nah. Once an asshole, always an asshole. n/t |
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FourPieRun (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
81. You guys are all focussing on white-coated people in labs; i think the OP's reference was a lot bro |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-27-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. yeah... a coworker used to work at Quaker Chemical |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
83. Good article |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
84. Not that I've noticed |
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