just listened to Oxy a few minutes...he is spinning spinning spinning

[greenbriar]

it is really funny

he is saying an appeal will be given based on the questions the jury asked because it made no sense

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. EVERY jury wonders about "reasonable doubt"

because both state and federal jury instructions on that issue suck. But they are better than any alternative. I will dig up an example and post it later. A lot, and i mean a hell of a lot, of time and brainpower went into creating, editing and finalizing that jury instruction. And it can be confusing to the layperson.

[hobbit709]

2. When it comes to making no sense

He is the expert after all.

[Robbien]

3. freeperville is the same

They immediately started talking pardon and of course saying there is no case here because Plame was not covert.

[adigal]

6. And don't forget when they say, "God Bless Libby, and his family"

Poor, poor Scooter.

[Ganja Ninja]

9. I couldn't resist a little sewer diving when I heard the news.

They're beside themselves. They're desperately clinging to the same old tired talking points "Fitz is a Dem", "Russert and Mathews are liars", "the Wilson's are liars", and the ever popular "Clinton's cock!, Clinton's cock!"
:rofl:

[Canuckistanian]

10. When will they get it through their thick skulls?

It doesn't matter whether Plame was... Oh, never mind.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

4. Republicans are all about Law & Order...

until they're caught. Then they're all about pardons and legal loopholes.

[underpants]

5. Libby tried the Reagan defense

"I forgot"

[Somawas]

8. That does not apply if you're

the "right kind" of people.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. IOKIYAR

"It's OK If You're A Republican"

[LSK]

12. thats what I was just thinking

[Manifestor_of_Light]

7. Oxy doesn't know what he's talking about.

He's not a lawyer.

I've helped draft and type many hundreds of jury charges, including definitions.
All criminal jury charges have to be custom crafted according to the facts of the case, and the definitions of crimes and beyond a reasonable doubt, and such. They MUST be extremely clear. The definition of "beyond a reasonable doubt" is one of the few legal terms that does not have a strict definition.


I know this because I have a law degree and I was a court reporter for nearly twenty years.

And don't forget that in the civil case, the burden of proof is lighter. The burden of proof in civil cases is "preponderance of the evidence".
That means "50 percent plus some microscopic fraction, or more".

[Hunky Dunky]

13. OXY is a D1C

Doofus First Class! LOL!