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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:09 PM Original message |
You. Will. Not. Be. Able. To. Get. Food. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. Grow as many vegetables and fruits locally as possible. And first step will be "no meat" |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Personally, I'd be thrilled if the factory farming system went extinct |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I've already made the first step. I'm a vegetarian. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Beef uses a vast amount of water to produce, too. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Unless you get locally raised pasture fed animals. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. out of curiosity, what part of the country is this? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
87. most of the Midwest |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Me too--here in Minnesota |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. yes |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
128. That's for sure |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #128 |
163. it really surprised me |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #163 |
259. Where are you located? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #163 |
265. Our first problem is crops burning up; obviously animals as "meat" will end --- |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
148. I think you're on to something with that theory. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
147. I live in Michigan. |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
68. shouldn't be too much of a problem here, either |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
149. I prefer getting mine locally. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
203. We've been doing more-or-less the same thing for years. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #203 |
250. That's true about venison. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #250 |
301. We give a lot to low-income Hmong people who have settled in our area. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #301 |
313. That's a great idea! |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
232. The best idea is to just |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #232 |
267. The reality of what Hansen is saying is getting to you and you're planning to |
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Grinchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #267 |
274. There is a balance you know |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #274 |
276. True. . . "The Earth In Balance" is distorted by animal killing -- |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #276 |
291. If we don't eat them, they're going to go extinct |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #291 |
333. It's your job to eat chickens so they won't "go extinct" . . . ??!!!! |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #333 |
341. what is the big difference? |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
262. You can still fish (if your lakes aren't polluted) and raise chickens |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. When I was young, you bought eggs in an egg store |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. I had an uncle who used to sell eggs |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. And they call it progress ... we'll adapt ... we always have |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. We have neighbors around the corner who sell eggs |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
138. I'm not surprised you know your neighbors. That's the character |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
227. We all need eggloos! |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. I use to drive with my grandpa to the egg farm... I went to school |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Some chickens can really smell strong |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
89. When I was young, you literally went to the farm to get fresh eggs |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #89 |
139. We have community gardens here in Brooklyn. I worked with one of |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. wish we had an "Emergency Preparedness" Forum here |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. There was an excellent and very informative thread on DU about this maybe a couple months ago |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. there were actually two threads about trying to start a forum |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Here is one thread I was thinking of ... There might be another similar one |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. Thanks so much for that link. Yes, we need an Emergency Preparedness Forum! |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I don't know what happened |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. I don't think I've ever been this scared about the future. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
81. Propose it to the Admins. It may be time. nt |
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onethatcares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
111. is there a "sustainable living" forum? |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
174. That's not a bad idea.. |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. People better learn how to forage real quick in a scnario like that. |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. I just got some |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. i hear it tastes like people...how bad can it be? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. 1 yr. Then my medicine runs out and I die. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. I guess that's where I'm at as well |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
142. Jerusalem Artichokes |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #142 |
161. Mine is thyroid. Would need a whole bunch of pigs to get their thyroid glands. |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #161 |
195. My mistake... |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #161 |
220. Interesting problem that affects millions of people. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #220 |
303. read 1/3 people in USA have thyroid issues, very sensitive gland |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #220 |
312. It's extremely common. |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #161 |
264. I read an article that said there's a chemical found to cause thyroid problems; |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #264 |
304. Ours won't recover, 1 of us got nuked, other surgically removed. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #304 |
324. Autoimmune diseases of all kinds are more common. |
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corkhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'll be eating chicken |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
317. Lots of insects are edible, too! |
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corkhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #317 |
320. If deer flies, mosquitoes, horse flies, and Japanese Beetles are among those then I won't starve lol |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #320 |
332. well... |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. I live on a spring fed lake |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Tell us about your solar freezer! |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Here it is |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
314. Finally, a top-loading refrigerator! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. That is so impressive! |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. Last year everything was great. This year we are facing famine & global collapse of civilization. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Unless you live in Michigan. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
69. Famine in Michigan? How many have starved to death? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
151. We're having trouble, which is odd considering how much we grow. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #151 |
167. it is a travesty |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #167 |
246. Exactly. I've often wondered that. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
268. Past years were great, only if you weren't aware of environmental changes . . . |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
14. For the last six weeks |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. steal it from the gluttonous rich |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
96. "Hand over your groceries and SUV. We're doing a scientific experiment." |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. Everyone who can should get chickens. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Yes, the suburbs and homeowner's associations will have to adapt. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. I'm going to see if I can talk with our city councilman about it. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. You go girl! I'd love to have a hive of bees outside my condo. |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
189. I'm getting two chickens pretty soon |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #189 |
248. I really wish I could do that. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
97. Ironically, in certain cities, such as the DC area, immigrants bring chicken coops to the suburbs. |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #97 |
245. My neighbors had chickens in suburban NJ. |
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Tafiti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
273. Think that's bad? |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
247. We have chickens....only eighteen....we keep five families in eggs. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
339. What do thet eat? Grain? What if chicken food runs out? n/t |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
19. That's. Great. Because. I.Will.Be.Reading. In.A.Malnourished.And. Stunted.Manner |
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LaurenG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. I have a big enough house - you can live with us (bring your So..) |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
150. *jots down name* |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
22. I planted another patch of beans this Morning. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. America has one of the largest food surpluses in the world. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
114. hmmmm |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #114 |
154. reserves are low because it's deliberate policy to keep them |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #154 |
173. correct |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
129. No - the US is a net importer |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #129 |
157. not according to usda. i fell for that same website, but when i |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. interesting |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
188. it was a forecast, and also in some monthly stats |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #188 |
201. Thanks. Being close to parity is a comfort. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
164. It is perhaps true on a dollar value, but not on a caloric value. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #164 |
180. please offer some proof for your claim. fruits & veg from peru & chile |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #180 |
244. I would have more interest in looking at your link if you hadn't closed in a snotty manner. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #244 |
271. the only comment that could conceivably be viewed as "snotty" |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
238. Well the big problem is shipping it... |
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terip64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. Find a Community Supported Agriculture group in your area. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
327. or an agriculture supported community |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
340. wow! |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
30. This is usually where some strange DUers attack those raising the issue of OVERPOPULATION based on |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Overpopulation will take care of itself |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
85. I was sort of hoping to avoid the part about the "massive global famine, disease . . . war." |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
158. this is usually where some posters start babbling about the |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #158 |
205. yeah |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #158 |
272. Right on cue. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
31. My dad used to say the same crap |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
86. "There can be emergency systems set in place." |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
107. I've read the Hirsch Report |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
119. OK, you've read it. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #119 |
133. It's 108 degrees here, Robert |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Sure. Good luck finding shade! |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #133 |
322. Feeling cooler today? |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #119 |
135. And, as I figured would be the case, that's where the discussion ends. |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Ask and ye shall receive. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #137 |
153. Thank You robert. :) |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
32. I tell all my family members that everytime they go grocery shopping, |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. I hope you also tell them to regularly USE UP the oldest canned goods |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. How long is very long? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. It seems to vary with the product. I went to my pantry just this instant |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
251. Homecanned stuff only lasts a year. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
233. Every month I buy an extra bag of rice and an extra sack of flour and |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
297. strange, isn't it? |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #297 |
306. But everyone will not go out and do it |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #306 |
309. doesn't change the fact that you are recommending hoarding |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #309 |
318. It is not hoarding |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #318 |
331. I agree. nt |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
33. Plant edibles. Let everything go to seed. |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
141. Good advice |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. I started a garden- am learning to can food, and have stocked up on a few things. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Hubby and I really got into canning last year. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I have 9 tomato plants - not sure if I should get a few more or not. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I think we're up to ten. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
234. Yeah, I wish solar panels were not so expensive |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
36. They are looting the world- we need to expose this crap, not find a way to put up with it! |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
37. Holy crap, Robert! I just came from reading this article only to |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. On the headstone of the hypochondriac |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:20 PM Original message |
You've got that right. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
143. Thanks =)! I was inspired.Buy a t-shirt and help fund my preps =)! n/t |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
40. No, not really. |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:00 AM Response to Reply #40 |
239. Kind of a dumb strategy IMO... |
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FreepFryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. EAT. THE. RICH. (n/t) |
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
99. their attitudes may taste like shit but they go real good with wine |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
328. Red or white? |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
258. !!! |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
47. I'm not so sure. I think it'll depend on where you live. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. We'll just have to reach out to others if the worst happens |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
55. And the sky will fall. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
56. Bit of an Alarmist, No? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Oh, don't spoil their fun |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. No, actually no |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. not around here. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
288. Actually |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. They're hoping for a great die-out in the billions |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
103. What was the population density and the expectation for dying of old age? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. We also have a stronger ability to manage our environment than in the past |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Look at the Maya Collapse for an example |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. We have the technological capacity to address it |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Technology will not save us from ourselves |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #115 |
132. Technology is a reflection of our biology |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #132 |
166. First I did not say we are going to die |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #166 |
177. We are a unique primate species in a unique situation |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. To me that is magical thinking |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #181 |
191. To me, yours is reductionist thinking |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Not quite melody |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #197 |
213. science has saved us |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #213 |
214. and science has also gotten us (partially mind you) into this pickle |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #214 |
223. I agree |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #191 |
343. Nihilism! Nail meets head of hammer |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #177 |
206. "We can manipulate our entire environment" ? Pure mythology. nt |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #206 |
228. Not in the least |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #228 |
336. No, totally. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #336 |
342. What a bizarre argument -- of course we manipulate our environment |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #166 |
210. 100% are going to die |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. You may be resistant but people in the field of feeding people |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:42 AM Response to Reply #212 |
224. I know |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
126. It's also the same people that think a recession or a market pullback is the end of the world..... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. yup, exactly n/t |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #78 |
209. I am hoping the population does not double again |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:41 AM Response to Reply #209 |
240. There is if you want your children to survive but others to die |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #240 |
260. Who here wants that? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #260 |
302. how then? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #302 |
334. A birth-rate lower than "replacement" |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. If I had a nickel for every one of these I'd read. eom |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
316. Hi, ribofunk. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #316 |
337. Hi, tom_paine |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
60. What about Sci-Fi Channel? |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Maybe, but they will only show reruns, already cancelled series and bad B-movies |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. With Battlestar Galatica wrapped up |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
100. Only on premium. And you'll have to pay for broadcast TV |
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leftyclimber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
62. Yes. I. Will. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. So. Will. I. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
71. food is not dependent on oil |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Not quite, quite a bit of fertilizers in the green revolution |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. still the same dynamic nadin |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
105. I'm not blaming farming |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. They are still in denial about it. It is too late for them to come around. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. who? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. ok, yes |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Food production has also increased due to industrial techniques that are not |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. There's more to it than that. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #120 |
172. nitrogen |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #172 |
211. No I am not arguing for agribusiness |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #120 |
243. Actually the fertilizers come from natural gas. It's the sulfur in the fertilizers |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #243 |
294. or rock |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. one more thing... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. I realize that but if your TOTAL YIELD goes down |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. maybe |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Unfortunately I am not talking of the US exclusively |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #125 |
146. slippery and meaningless definition |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #146 |
159. This slippery definition is the accepted definition under BIOLOGICAL science |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #159 |
168. yes and no |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #168 |
182. Ok what I gave you was the ACCEPTED definition |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #182 |
192. ok |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #192 |
196. Use the google to find out just how much nitrogen based fertilizers |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #196 |
198. natural gas |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. And that is the point |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #200 |
202. understood |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #202 |
204. Yes, at this point peak oil and climate change |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #204 |
219. ok, agreement |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #219 |
221. I'm not saying we should let people starve |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #221 |
226. we agree then |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #202 |
207. Its all about the green revolution |
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #202 |
231. I strongly, strongly recommend the book The Omnivore's Dilemma |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
123. "The green revolution is about supporting suburbanization..." |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #123 |
199. thanks |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
241. No one is blaming farming, but Coporate Industrial Agriculture |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #241 |
252. It's time to get rid of them, too. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #241 |
285. you can't know that |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Food will be sourced locally, if the worst happens |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. right |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. True, however there is a bigger picture |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. it need not be |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
169. Right now, farmers use plenty of oil. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #169 |
190. of course |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
75. I'm about to have my tiny yard plowed up for veggie planting. If it comes to that, the side yard... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
77. Ah, bullshit. Not going to happen. Pure fearmongering, right there. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Amen n/t |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Is it just me |
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GreenEyedLefty (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Eek, the Rapture Ready boards! |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Yup, bingo n/t |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
98. true enough |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
113. Hey, thanks for the info about the bees. I did not know that was overblown hysteria. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #113 |
175. even the Einstein quote |
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Blue Diadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #175 |
280. Sure there was a lot of BS, but are you saying these people are not telling the truth? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #280 |
292. no, certainly not |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #292 |
300. This is not true |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #300 |
307. I talk to the same people |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #307 |
319. I went to a regional beekeeping |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #319 |
323. I know |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #323 |
325. I think the publicity |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #325 |
329. wow |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #280 |
299. my theory |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #175 |
289. I am a beekeeper |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #289 |
295. right |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
178. So Refershing to See This Here. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #98 |
287. I think it might depend on which part of the country you're in. |
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
102. There may not be massive famine but there will be a helluva lot of hunger |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
130. Until a comet smashes into the planet, I'll still be able to buy Cheetos. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
145. But. Every. Word. In. The. Title. Of. This. Thread. Was. Followed. By. A. Period. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #145 |
162. Oh. shit. I. forgot. about. that. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
94. I'm mentally ready-I think-but we still have so much to do. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
101. Then we will die. |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
109. oh, come on |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. that's it |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #122 |
152. I wouldn't go so far as to say that personal alternatives work against public ag policy |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. they wouldn't need to |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. I've seen ecosystems wrecked by modern farming practices |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. of course |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
131. So. Stop. Eating. Meat. |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #131 |
261. no. I. love. my . steaks. nt. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #261 |
269. And what about the violence involved in that "love" . . . ??? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #269 |
346. I couldn't care less. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
140. What a day. First a $600 electric bill, and now no food. I'm thinking we need to move up the |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #140 |
279. How do you have a $600 electric bill? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #279 |
298. Our house is pretty big but I'm concerned about that too. I think I need to have the A/C |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
144. I have stockpiles of canned food, and am TRYING to learn how to grow a garden |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #144 |
254. Something's been getting to my beans and basil. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
155. To those growing gardens... |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #155 |
255. I've been getting great yields from my square foot gardens. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #255 |
296. good yields here too... |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #296 |
311. It would be really hard. You'd have to have a couple of acres at least. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
160. Alarmist nonsense. |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
170. Community-supported agriculture, anyone? |
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unsavedtrash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
176. We have definitely moved toward being locavores. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
179. The Moringa tree is he most nutrient rich tree in the world...might save us all |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #179 |
315. Interesting, thanks! nt |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #179 |
326. I planted one of these! |
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doublethink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
183. YES I WILL !!! BET ME !!! |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
184. Ya know, I think this is mainly alarmist, BUT |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
186. I'm thinkin' Arby's |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #186 |
215. .. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
187. The nut that wrote this was telling us to prepare for a Y2K-induced collapse |
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Phentex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #187 |
275. My neighbor STILL has her water stored from Y2K... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #275 |
283. My neighbor directly across the street was storing hundreds of containers full of gas in his garage |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #283 |
308. something like that did happen around here |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #187 |
290. No thanks, I'll leave the minimal research and ad hominem attacks to you. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #187 |
321. Good find. n/t |
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tomreedtoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
193. I. Will. Butcher. You. And. Eat. You. With. Fava. Beans. |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #193 |
284. Don't. Forget. The. Nice. Chianti. |
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guyalapatie (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-23-08 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
194. Self-unfulfilling |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
208. um. i. will . always. be. able. to. get.. food. |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
216. All you say... |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
217. 3000 line up for food in Milwaukee...sign of the times to come? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #217 |
222. YEP that is one more sing of where we are going |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #217 |
347. You. Mean. They. Were. Not. Able. To. Get. Food? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
218. Some things to do |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #218 |
229. hey horse |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Hey there TA...likewise |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #230 |
293. my opinion FWIW |
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solinvictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:41 AM Response to Reply #218 |
235. And... |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:41 AM Response to Reply #218 |
236. It is wise to consider what your resources are |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #236 |
242. Corn produces one ear per plant per season |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #236 |
266. You can grow a lot in a small space; there's a book on this: |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #218 |
256. Better yet, get a sheep to live with those goats. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
225. Human Population Numbers as a Function of Food Supply - Hopfenberg and Pimentel |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #225 |
338. Must see the documentary: Crude Impact- says just this |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
237. I dont think many people are truely prepared for it.... |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
249. Old news and info. You should have already been preparing by now. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
253. Stockpiling food... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #253 |
278. If you stockpile food, other people will have none . . . BUT . .. |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #253 |
330. M 2 cents worth |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
257. Soylent Green time! |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #257 |
281. My boyfriend is Chinese. Every time I eat him I get hungry again |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
263. FINALLY. Stockpile hell |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
270. Do. Not. Panic. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
277. We left The City, and moved to The Country in 2006. |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #277 |
282. Thank you very much for your informative, thoughtful and positive post. |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
286. Less than 3 decades ago my grandad grew his own broad beans |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
305. Everyone I know is food. |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
310. Arby's will never let me starve |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-24-08 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
335. I am not particuliarly concerned about myself |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
344. Kick |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
345. HOLY SHIT OH MY GOD AND OTHER EXCLAMATIONS OF....oh hell what a huge pile. |
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Chuggo (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
348. pffft |
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