When your freeper pals rant about drilling in ANWR,remind them

[SoCalDem]

that there is NO "our oil".. The oil found in the US goes into the "market", like ALL oil just about everywhere (Venezuela may be the only exception), and then gets sold to the highest bidders, after a complicated ponzi scheme hosted by multiple "traders"..

So why even bother to degrade a pristine part of our dwindling wilderness, just to make money for some snot-nosed Oil-gamblers and some Oil company fatcats?..

The price WE pay will only continue to go up, no matter how much more we "drill here"..

Until the rampant gambling on oil futures is made ILLEGAL, and oil is named as a "security/Homeland safety-necessity", and is truly retained and used FIRST, by the place that drilled it, sucked it up and refined it, we will never get a "break" on prices.

Countries with lots of oil, and little actual need for it, will always have to sell it to others more developed, but eventually, the money they make from the sale will create a need for more of their own oil....so even buying it is not really a great idea long-term.. That;s what we have done for over a century, but the 3rd world is now "needing" the same oil we had a monopoly-of-usage for , so we will see less of it available...at any price..before too much longer..

[panader0]

1. Besides the environmental damage

I saw a report that sais the reserve wasn't that big and would take ten years to hit the market. It ain't worth it.

[SoCalDem]

2. It's all about the CONTRACTS to their oil-buddies to BUILD & DEVELOP

the field..not about the oil..which IS miniscule and years away.. It's like any republican scheme..a bad idea and painfully costly, with little or no benefit to the public

[pt22]

3. A lot of domestic oil is refined near the wells and the products sold locally.

I sell oil from my Illinois properties directly to Countrymark Cooperative's refinery and they market the gasoline locally. Many of the so-called 'by-products' are sent elsewhere, of course.

[Cleita]

4. Somehow I think the Alaskans might kick them out if it becomes

an actuality. They kicked out the lumber industry even though it cost them jobs and livelihood. They realized it was going to ruin the place they loved. I have a good feeling they won't let this happen either.

[pt22]

5. Ha. 95% of Alaskans are knuckledragging rightwingers.

Look at who they send to congress fergodsake.........
:eyes:

[Cleita]

10. They lean Republican because they like the independence thing. I would

say they are more Libertarian. Please don't bring up the knuckle-dragging thing. It's very rude and doesn't make friends with people who actually can be reasoned with if you try to talk to them. They do know when their home is threatened and this is one of those type of deals. Their choices for Congress like in other states that have voted in people who do them damage is because those very same people have lied to them to get into office. How do you think Bush got there?

[pt22]

15. I know, I shouldn't have said that but I live in a state with way MORE knuckledraggers than

Alaska...and has the congressional contingent to match. Including the shithouse-rat craziest Senator in history.
:grr:

[mitchtv]

7. Oh sure, they get a cut

Hope springs eternal

[Cleita]

11. I was in Alaska last summer and sat in a saloon or two yakking with them.

They really aren't that far from us in what they want.

[MisterP]

6. problem is, they LIKE degrading pristine wildernesses:

either they have a lust to conquer the land and obliterate its wildlife (just look at the gray wolf's history and any attempt at returning them): that's why they begrudge 2% of a species' original range
they also like to be contrarian: just look at L. Neil Smith's "The Venus Belt," which childishly mocks the "howls" that greet capitalists' effort to shatter Venus to mine it, or moderates' endless "proving" of arguments that say since they offend "both sides," there has to be something true and worthwhile in them
this is all on top of the impediment to maximal profits posed by any recognition of ecosystems' million-year precedence or essential "services" that the other 4 million species provide

[rsmith6621]

8. Time to Start a Fire....

....I would have no problem drilling ANWAR IF

1.....the OIL stays on United States soil for our use only.

2.....that everything is done not to drastically disrupt the environment.

3......that the Petro company's are subjected to price regulations.

4.......Any vehicle sold in the United States must meet much higher MPG standards.


Let see how much this post burns

[muntrv]

9. I just say: 16 billion barrels in ANWR/20 million consumed per day=800 days.

[Old and In the Way]

12. I think this is the reality.

Call their bluff. Then watch the oil companies not want to invest in the production costs, given the limited amount of pumpable oil. ANWAR is simply a RepubliCON-Big Oily smokescreen to deflect from the fact that they've let Big Oil dictate our national energy/national security policy for the past 40 years and now we're righteously screwed.

[Raster]

13. Yep, 'bout sums it up.

[hadrons]

14. meanwhile the oil companies would keep the leases as an asset ...

since they count as "potential reserves" ... nice little scam, get the leases, up the company's value, and do nothing. And best yet, the Repukes will believe whatever excuse spoonfed to them when nothing changes.

Also mentioning the 64 million acres already leased, but NOT being drilled in areas where an SUV can reach.

[pt22]

17. And the 16B figure is at the top of the range of estimates.

It could be as little as 3 or 4 (economically or energy-efficiently recoverable)

[HughMoran]

16. Never mind the 10 years before it even gets to market

Stupidest argument ever.