Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Crikey!! Now it's McCain's turn to have his military record scrutinized

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:18 PM
Original message
Crikey!! Now it's McCain's turn to have his military record scrutinized
McCain's Secret, Questionable Record

"At a meeting in his Pentagon office in early 1981, Secretary of the Navy John F. Lehman told Capt. John S. McCain III that he was about to attain his life ambition: becoming an admiral.... Mr. McCain declined the prospect of his first admiral's star to make a run for Congress, saying that he could 'do more good there,' Mr. Lehman recalled." So claimed the New York Times in a front-page article on May 29 this year.

This story is highly improbable for several reasons, not least of all because John McCain himself has always told a very different story about his stalled naval career. For example, on page 9 of his memoir Worth The Fighting For, McCain writes:

"Several months before my father died, I informed him that I was leaving the navy. I am sure he had gotten word of my decision from friends in the Pentagon. I had been summoned to see the CNO, Admiral Heyward, who told me I was making a mistake.... His attempt to dissuade me encouraged me to believe that I might have made admiral had I remained in the navy, a prospect that remained an open question in my mind.... Some of my navy friends believed I could earn my star; others doubted it.... When I told my father of my intention, he did not remonstrate me.... But I knew him well enough to know that he was disappointed. For when I left him that day, alone in his study, I took with me his hope that I might someday become the first son and grandson of four-star admirals to achieve the same distinction. That aspiration was well beyond my reach by the time I made my decision...."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein/mccains-secret-questionab_b_107409.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. 617 un-released pages?
"These numbers range from 0069 to 0636. When arranged in ascending order, they precisely track the chronology of McCain's career. It seems reasonable to ask the Navy whether there are at least 636 pages in McCain's file, of which 617 weren't released to the Associated Press."


W had nothing to be proud of and even he choked up at least 400 pages (or to look at it a different way, 21 times as much info)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/13/elec04.prez.bush.texas.records/index.html

And even better than both of these asshats, John Kerry signed the 180 Waiver and released almost everything, what's McCains problem?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. dumping your crippled wife
for a rich trophy is not generally considered flag material. I doubt he'd have made it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Not to mention....
crashing 4 planes before you were shot down in your 5th, chasing women including subordinates, graduating 4th from the bottom in your Academy class, and being suspected of causing a disaster on one of your postings (USS Forrestal). These things do not an admiral make...nor a president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Maybe it was better for bush that he didn't even bother to show up
who knows what hell he could have wrought! Never trust a monkey with a gun (or an armed fighter plane;) )

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Definitely Better for the Service
Airplanes are expensive!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
5. Reasons why McCain becoming an admiral is improbable...
1) For example, McCain had been promoted to captain on August 1, 1979, so he wouldn't have been due for another promotion by March of 1981.

2) To begin with, John Lehman did not select Navy flag officers. That was done with a very august selection board headed by a four-star admiral. The Secretary of the Navy does not appoint. He is in the approval chain, but he is not on the committee.

3) This whole idea that John Lehman told John McCain he was going to be promoted to flag two years after he made captain sounds preposterous to me."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. John Lehman lied about this.
McLame won't call him on that lie. He will give a weasle answer, such as Mr. Lehman mispoke about this situation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Lehman is part of his campaign
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 08:22 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC