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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:22 PM
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KERRY DEFENDS JIM JOHNSON from RW attacks!
Democrats must stand together against the RW smear attempts. Kerry should have done this with the swiftboaters. Obama will not be cowed!

Posted: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:17 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008
From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro and NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
Sen. John Kerry defended Obama veep vetter Jim Johnson, calling him

“I will say this about Jim Johnson -- Jim Johnson is a very experienced, very discreet, very capable individual who is performing a voluntary function without pay, without any interest,” Kerry said. “He’s not seeking a job and he is acting completely independently to gather information about somebody, and that’s it.

“That is the full measure of this, and it seems this is one of those sort of, you know, Washington grab stories where people try to make something out of something that’s not.

“He hasn’t been proposed for a confirmable position. He’s not in a position to do anything except provide information to somebody who wants information and he’s proven himself somebody who has a great skill gathering that information and keeping it personal and private. You will recall there were zero leaks from my process.”


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/11/1132129.aspx
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:27 PM
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1. I'm Really Glad to See...
that these attacks are not going unchallenged but...why couldn't Kerry have fought so hard for himself? We would at least have saved the world from 4 of the 8 years of Bush.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:35 PM
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6. How hard is it to figure that Dem PARTY and others are supposed to do the attacking FOR the nominee
Fer chrissakes, some of you should read what you write and THINK about your own criticisms.

Kerry always countered the swifts and Bush - what he didn't have was a Dem party willing to publicly back him up against a Bush machine and RW media they all feared at that point.

Sheesh, people. If this party had MORE with the courage and integrity of Kerry there would have been no Bush2 possible by the mid90s.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:37 PM
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8. He was told by his campaign manager to ignore the swift-boaters and stay above the fray.
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 03:48 PM by OhioBlues
I can't remember her name but he let her go. Unfortunately it was too late at that point. I also think he learned something from that experience and he's using what he learned to help others.

I used to email him all the time when I would get frustrated. Finally I wrote him and told him that we (his supporters), were being beaten to death by those who were out to hurt him and that our defense of him was wearing me out. I finally wrote and said, "how are we supposed to have your back when you don't even have your own back? We're getting our heads beaten in and you don't even try to help us out, do SOMETHING!" It was a day or two later that he let her go. Man, those were hard times.


edited to add his managers name was Mary Beth Cahill
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:48 PM
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9. So, you missed Kerry's attack on the swifts at the Firefighters Convention where he also challenged
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 03:50 PM by blm
Bush to stop hiding behind the swifts and DEBATE their services publicly.

See - - media didn't want you to know that, and EVERY news network refused to broadcast that speech, and few even reported it occurred and NONE put clips of Kerry's challenge to Bush in any normal rotation.

You stand with the media when you buy their heavily editted views of our Democrats.

The left media and blogs did a pisspoor job of furthering Kerry's attacks, too, as they were pretty damn weak in their own right.

Try reading the archives of left media sites from Aug 19 and 20, 2004, including this one and all others who lay claim to some special fighting skills. They barely noticed Kerry made the CRUCIAL ATTACK SPEECH on the swifts at the FIREFIGHTERS CONVENTION, fer chrissakes. Yeah - they really went all out for that huge news story, eh?

Some BACK UP.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:53 PM
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10. Now calm down. Yes he tried to fight back but not soon enough
I was part of the Kerry forum and I worked my butt off in the streets, so yes I do know what was happening, I was very involved and please don't to talk down to me, You stand with the media when you buy their heavily edited views of our Democrats.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:00 PM
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12. Sorry, but that is still wrong and the data in Research Forum is crucial to know in that
it will happen again because our side mischaracterizes what occurred before.


The Research Forum here at DU has active links if you're interested in the full picture. Mischaracterizing what occurred benefits the spinners and the liars.

April 14, 2004 - The website for SBVT was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, the information technology manager for Gannon International, a St. Louis company that has diversified interests, including in Vietnam. (1) (note - Gannon International does not appear to have any relationship to Jeff Gannon/Guckert, the fake reporter.)

May 3, 2004 - "Kerry campaign announced a major advertising push to introduce 'John Kerry's lifetime of service and strength to the American people.' Kerry's four month Vietnam experience figures prominently in the ads." (2)

May 4, 2004 - The Swift Liars, beginning their lies by calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", went public at a news conference organized by Merrie Spaeth at the National Press Club. (1)

May 4, 2004 - "The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event...The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.' " (3)


May 4, 2004 - Aug. 5, 2004 - No public activity by Swift Liars (?) Wikipedia entry (7) notes "When the press conference garnered little attention, the organization decided to produce television advertisements." (Ed. note - were there any public info or announcements, other than talk on blogs? Was there anything going on publicly? Did the campaign have reason to foresee what was coming - note that they must have, see the reactions to each ad).

Jul. 26, 2004 - Jul. 29, 2004 - Democratic National Convention held in Boston. John Kerry's military experience is highlighted.

Aug. 5, 2004 - The Swift Liars' first television ad began airing a one-minute television spot in three states. (7)

Aug. 5, 2004 - "the General Counsels to the DNC and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign faxed a letter to station managers at the relevant stations stating that the ad is 'an inflammatory, outrageous lie" and requesting that they "act immediately to prevent broadcast of this advertisement and deny any future sale of time. " ' " (4)

Aug. 10, 2004 - Democracy 21, The Campaign Legal Center and The Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that the Swift Liars were illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections. (4)

Aug. 17, 2004 - the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges. (4)

Aug. 19, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced its own ad "Rassmann." (4)

Aug. 20, 2004 - The Swift Liars' second television ad began airing. This ad selectively excerpted Kerry's statements to the SFRC on 4/22/1971. (7)

Aug. 22, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced another ad "Issues" which addressed the Swift Boat group's attacks.

Aug. 25, 2004 - The Kerry-Edwards campaign ... dispatched former Sen. Max Cleland and Jim Rassmann, to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas to deliver to the President a letter signed by Democratic Senators who are veterans. (The letter was not accepted.) (4)

Aug. 26, 2004 - The Swift Liars' third television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's claim to have been in Cambodia in 1968. (7)

August 26, 2004 - Mary Beth Cahill sends letter to Ken Mehlman detailing the "Web of Connections" between the Swift Liars and the Bush Administration, and demanding that Bush denounce the smear campaign. (5)

August 26, 2004 - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) submits FOIA request "with the White House asking it to detail its contacts with individuals connected to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT)." (6)

Aug. 27, 2004 - The DNC ran a full page ad in the Aug. 27, 2004 New York Times terming the Swift Boat campaign a smear. (4)

Aug. 31, 2004 - - The Swift Liars' fourth television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's participation in the medal-throwing protest on 4/23/1971. (7)

References:
* (1) SourceWatch article on SBVT

* (2) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman

* (3) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry Campaign Response

* (4) (Sept. 8, 2004) Eric M. Appleman (apparently) Some Responses to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" Ad

* (5) August 26, 2004 letter from Mary Beth Cahill to Ken Mehlman

* (6) Press Release (US Newswire): CREW FOIAs White House Contacts with Swift Boat Veterans Group

* (7) Wikipedia entry, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth



MH1 - This topic is to create a timeline of the response of the K/E04 campaign to the Swift Liars' smears. There is an RW-encouraged myth that K/E04 "didn't respond." As the timeline, once completed, will show, that is not true. Effectiveness of the response may be debated - that is subjective - the purpose of this thread is to collect the facts of the events.




On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)
...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lesson—when you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn’t interested in the truth – and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know—he wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what it’s like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you’ve done—and so am I.

Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America—then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security – the issues that really matter to the American people...



Kerry defends war record
Aug. 19: John Kerry responds directly to attacks on his Vietnam military service Thursday, accusing President Bush of relying on front groups to challenge his war record.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=40a0d9b1-0386-41ef-bc...



May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." Spaeth Communications, which hosted the event, "is a Republican headed firm from Texas which has contributed to Bush's campaign and has very close ties to the Bush Administration." Lead organizer John O'Neill, a Republican from Texas, "was a pawn of the Nixon White House in 1971." Further some of the people now speaking against Kerry had praised him in their evaluation reports in Vietnam.

John Dibble, who served on a swift boat in 1970, after Kerry had left, was one of the veterans at the Kerry event. He said of Kerry's anti-war activities that at the time, "I didn't like what he was doing." In retrospect, however, Dibble said, "I probably should have been doing the same thing...probably more of us should have been doing that." He said that might have meant fewer names on the Vietnam Memorial and that Kerry's anti-war activities were "a very gutsy thing to do."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/swift050404c....



Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the scene of a battle.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143...



Kerry: Bush lets attack ads do 'dirty work'
McClellan points out criticism by anti-Bush group
Friday, August 20, 2004 Posted: 2:37 PM EDT (1837 GMT)
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of letting front groups "do his dirty work" in questioning his military service during the Vietnam War.

"The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that," Kerry told a firefighters' union conference in his hometown of Boston.

"Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attacka... /


http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php




August 5, 2004

VIA FACSIMILE

Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Dear Station Manager:

We are counsel to the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry, respectively. It has been brought to our attention that a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has bought time, or may seek to buy time, on your station to air an advertisement that attacks Senator Kerry. The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not. The entire advertisement, therefore is an inflammatory, outrageous lie.

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" styles itself as a group of individuals who personally served with John Kerry in the United States Navy in the Vietnam War. In truth the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas corporate media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder. See Slater, Dallas Morning News, July 23, 2004.

In this group's advertisement, twelve men appear to make statements about Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. Not a single one of these men served on either of Senator Kerry's two SWIFT Boats (PCF 44 & PCF94).

Further, the "doctor" who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968 firefight. Moreover, according to news accounts, Letson did not record his "memories" of that incident until after Senator Kerry became a candidate for President in 2003. (National Review Online, May 4, 2004).

The statements made by the phony "crewmates" and "doctor" who appear in the advertisement are also totally, demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous. In parrticular, the advertisement charges that Senator Kerry "lied to get his Bronze Star." Just as falsely, it states that "he lied before the Senate." These are serious allegations of actual crimes -- specifically, of lying to the United States Government in the conduct of its official business. The events for which the Senator was awarded the Bronze Star have been documented repeatedly and in detail and are set out in the official citation signed by the Secretary of the Navy and the Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam. And yet these reckless charges of criminal conduct are offered without support or authentication, by fake "witnesses" speaking on behalf of a phony organization.

Your station is not obligated to accept this advertisement for broadcast nor is it required to account in any way for its decision to reject such an advertisement. Columbia Broadcasting System v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94 (1973), You Can't Afford Dodd Committee, 81 FCC2d 579 (1980). The so-called "Swift Boat Veterans" organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee. Repeated efforts by organizations that are not candidate committees to obtain a private right of access have been consistently rejected by the FCC. See e.g., National Conservative Political Action Committee, 89 FCC2d 626 (1982).

Thus, your station my freely refuse this advertisement. Because your station has this freedom, and because it is not a "use" of your facilities by a clearly identified candidate, your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor.

Moreover, as a licensee, you have an overriding duty "to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising." Licensee Responsibility With Respect to the Broadcast of False, Misleading or Deceptive Advertising, 74 F.C.D.2d 623 (1961). Your station normally must take "reasonable steps" to satisfy itself "as to the reliability and reputation of every prospective advertiser." In re Complaint by Consumers Assocation of District of Columbia, 32 F.C.C.2d 400, 405 (1971).

Under these circumstances, your station may not responsibly air this advertisement. We request that your station act immmediately to prevent broadcasts of this advertisement and deny andy future sale of time. Knowing that the advertisement is false, and possessing the legal authority to refuse to run it, your station should exercise that authority in the public interest.


Please contact us promptly at either of the phone numbers below to advise us regarding the status of this advertisement.

Sincerely yours,
Marc Elias
Perkins Coie
607 14th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005


General Counsel
Kerry-Edwards 2004 Joseph Sandler
Sandler, Reiff & Young
50 E Street, S.E. #300
Washington, D.C. 20003


General Counsel
Democratic National Committee


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/dem080504ltrswift...




From the transcript of the Aug. 5, 2004 White House Press Briefing with Scott McClellan:

Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law. And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups.

* * *

In the days after the release of the ad a host of major newspapers published editorials condemning it including the Arizona Republic ("Campaign Non-Starter," August 6), Los Angeles Times ("It's Not All Fair Game," August 6), Plain Dealer ("Ad Says Kerry Lied; Record Says Otherwise," August 8), St. Petersburg Times ("An Ugly Attack," August 9), Las Vegas Sun ("Ad's Smear Should Be Condemned," August 9), Oregonian ("Now It Gets Nasty," August 11), and Washington Post ("Swift Boat Smears," August 12).

* * *

On Aug. 10, 2004 Democracy 21, the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections.

* * *

From the transcript of Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance on CNN'S Larry King Live:


KING: In view of that, do you think that it's fair, for the record, John Kerry's service record, to be an issue at all? I know that Senator McCain...
G. BUSH: You know, I think it is an issue, because he views it as honorable service, and so do I. I mean...
KING: Oh, so it is. But, I mean, Senator McCain has asked to be condemned, the attack on his service. What do you say to that?
G. BUSH: Well, I say they ought to get rid of all those 527s, independent expenditures that have flooded the airwaves.
There have been millions of dollars spent up until this point in time. I signed a law that I thought would get rid of
those, and I called on the senator to -- let's just get anybody who feels like they got to run to not do so.
KING: Do you condemn the statements made about his...
G. BUSH: Well, I haven't seen the ad, but what I do condemn is these unregulated, soft-money expenditures by very wealthy people, and they've said some bad things about me. I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air. I think there ought to be full disclosure. The campaign funding law I signed I thought was going to get rid of that. But evidently the Federal Election Commission had a different view...

Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton's response to Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance:
"Tonight President Bush called Kerry's service in Vietnam 'noble.' But in the same breath refused to heed Senator McCain's call to condemn the dirty work being done by the 'Swift Boat Vets for Bush.' Once again, the President side-stepped responsibility and refused to do the right thing. His credibility is running out as fast as his time in the White House."

* * *

On Aug. 17, 2004 the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges.

* * *

DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued a statement on Aug. 18, 2004:

"By saying nothing at all George W. Bush is a complicit contributor to the slanderous, lie-filled attack ads that have been launched on John Kerry on Bush's behalf. Instead of stepping up and taking the high road, George Bush's response has been evasion, avoidance, everything but disavowal.

"Larry King asked George Bush to 'condemn' it. He refused. Reporters asked the President's Press Secretary if he'd 'repudiate' it. He ducked. They can try to blame it on the rules or whoever else they want, but the blame belongs squarely on the Republicans. They wrote it. They produced it. They placed it. They paid for it. And now it is time for George W. Bush to stand up and say, 'enough.'

"This is not debate, Mr. President, and this unfounded attack on Senator Kerry has crossed the line of decency. I call on you today to condemn this ad, the men who put their lies behind it, and the donors who paid for it. It's time."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/swiftadresponse.h...




(August 19, 2004 -- 01:26 PM EDT)

WELL, IT SEEMS there wasn't something in the air.

I didn't know the Kerry campaign was finally going to return fire today over this Swift Boat nonsense. But this morning, in a speech to the International Association of Fire Fighters in Boston, he responded squarely to the attacks. You can see complete text of the speech and the new response-ad they're running. But the key point is that he aimed his remarks at precisely the right target ...

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn?t interested in the truth ? and they?re not telling the truth. They didn?t even exist until I won the nomination for president.
<...>


This is a good thing -- and not simply because Kerry has to respond to the president's surrogates who are trying (and, to an extent, succeeding) in damaging his candidacy with scurrilous and discredited attacks.

There is a meta-debate going on here, one that I'm not sure even the practitioners fully articulate to themselves and one that I'm painfully aware the victims don't fully understand.

Let's call it the Republicans' Bitch-Slap theory of electoral politics.

It goes something like this.

On one level, of course, the aim behind these attacks is to cast suspicion upon Kerry's military service record and label him a liar. But that's only part of what's going on.

Consider for a moment what the big game is here. This is a battle between two candidates to demonstrate toughness on national security. Toughness is a unitary quality, really -- a personal, characterological quality rather than one rooted in policy or divisible in any real way. So both sides are trying to prove to undecided voters either that they're tougher than the other guy or at least tough enough for the job.

<…>

This meta-message behind the president's attacks on Kerry's war record is more consequential than many believe. So hitting back hard was critical on many levels.

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Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert
Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518



Please use this information as a guideline for 2006 and 2008 campaigns. What the media edits out of our campaigns is CRUCIAL to public perception.

Even many Democrats are unaware of the real fight that occurred in 2004 and are buying wholesale the corporate media spin which conveniently protects the corporate media who failed to give honest coverage of Kerry's defense against the lies of the swift vets and their Republican handlers.

Not recognizing the extent of the corporate media's duplicity is a danger for all Democratic candidates in 2006 and 2008.

This can and WILL happen to any Democratic candidate.

This CAN and WILL happen to ANY Democratic candidate. FIGHT THE MYTHS. Stay tough KNOWING the media is aligned with these liars.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:05 PM
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14. Thank you very much for the information
I am not quibbling about him saying something, I am saying he wasn't addressing it personally immediately. If I am wrong I apologize to all those here. I was not aware of any statements that he made until months later.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:47 PM
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30. The media already had enough before the August attack that they should have
rejected the SBVT. I know it was frustrating - we all lived through it. The fact is the media KNEW they were lying and let them have endless time and gave them credibility. This was how they treated a man who risked his life for his country. The fact is that - to a lesser degree, they are still doing it - when they define the SBVT as "questioning Kerry's service", a neutral word that doesn't convey the truth that the slime were lying through their teeth.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 06:34 AM
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34. Or that they were put up by Bush's cronies. And WHY did the news channels act complicitly?
Dan Rather has said the corpmedia NEEDED to protect Bush for the facorable FCC rulings they expected from a Bush second term.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:40 AM
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35. I agree but think it was even more basic
The Bush team clearly treated access to the President as something that had to be earned and which could be easily forfeit. Even in late October when it looked like Kerry was surging into a win - there was not the same perception that Kerry would "punish" reporters - as he never has. (Many Boston reporters have been and are awful to him. The most shocking might have been the one, who given the first question when Kerry gave a press conference speaking of having cancer and that he was going to have surgery (I think the next day), blasted him for not telling him a couple of weeks before when the reporter told him he looked awful. Lacking compassion is an understatement.)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:54 PM
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11. That has never been true
That was a rumor started by misguided individuals on the Kerry blog. Surrogates came out immediately to challenge the swiftboaters. Do you not remember Max Cleland delivering the letter to Bush's ranch? People like YOU were screaming at Kerry instead of understanding that the SURROGATES are supposed to be the attack dog - never the candidate. Democrats helped spread that story with their endless handwringing as much as the freepers did.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:02 PM
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13. Surrogates did but Kerry did not until after too much damage was done
No he had the spotlight on him many times and he was told not to address it, that is true. When he finally came out hard it was late in the season. And I'll have to take your word for it being a "rumor."

No need to argue over this now, I liked Kerry and yes I saw what the "surrogates" didn't do.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:08 PM
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15. Aug 19 is NOT late in the season, as Swifts didn't even return till early August
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 04:09 PM by blm
and McGreevey scandal took up most of the first two weeks of that month.

The Firefighters Convention was PERFECT place to attack swifts and Bush for hiding behind them. Your observations should be on the curious decision of EVERY NEWS NETWORK to NOT air that speech of the Dem nominee.

It would be akin to no network covering Obama's historic race speech after the attacks re Wright. Gee - you think things would look different if no network aired that Obama speech and few reported it occurred while Wright's video clips were in heavy rotation on all the networks?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:15 PM
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16. Fine - I wasn't on DU until afterthe election so it FELT like an eternity
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 04:21 PM by OhioBlues
thanks again.

edited for weird typo
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:21 PM
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18. Nothing personal, OB. It's truly the fault of the media and Dem players who knew damn well they
needed to further the smears against Kerry to turn the Dem rank and file against him. Kerry's 60 million votes threatened the Clinton-Lieberman wing of the Dem party for 2008.

Think about who has been behind Obama and why. Daschle, Durbin and Kerry saw long ago that Clinton wing of the party had to have its grip on the party broken. Obama's was the voice they chose.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
31. If you question where the media was in 2004
consider they opted not to play that speech and a few weeks later, they treated the bandaids mocking the purple heart medal as if they were funny campaign hats. Even if limited to just Kerry's, it was sickening. It would have taken only a slightly different move on Kerry's part or on the angle of the attack and he could have died or been severely wounded. Yet, the MSM in showing no disgust signaled that in Kerry's case he deserved no respect.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. Your posts tell it like it is
and right on the money. :yourock: :hi:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:42 PM
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29. He did
The tone of this is very similar to his comments to the Firefighters- billed as his response. The MSM gave the comments very little coverage while they gave the SBVT hours without asking for any proof on charges that contradicted the official record.

Before April the media had - his Navy records with all the fitness reports - all glowing. The NAVY gave him the medals. Nixon had investigated him - and feared him because he found he was a war hero, articulate and polite. Brinkley, who wrote Tour of Duty was an academic historian and he gave Kerry no editorial control - and the book backed him 100%. They also had the info that all the guys on teh boat for those medals were 100% behind Kerry - as was Rasman, the marine Kerry saved who became a Republican policeman.

Within a day of the August attack, this was suplemented by a 36 page report of provable lies and discrepancies and the facts linking them to Bush.

This is FAR FAR more than what Clinton gave on Genefer Flowers or the draft question.

Rather than blaming Kerry - blame those Democratic leaders that did not act as Kerry did here. They stood and defended Clinton's infidelity, but couldn't defend a man who risked his life for someone else at 25?

Or blame the media for what was a character assassination that to a lesser degree continues till today.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:56 PM
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32. Thank you and bingo for this...
Rather than blaming Kerry - blame those Democratic leaders that did not act as Kerry did here. They stood and defended Clinton's infidelity, but couldn't defend a man who risked his life for someone else at 25?

Or blame the media for what was a character assassination that to a lesser degree continues till today.


I agree 100%. :applause:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
2. Kerry knows alot about Johnson's role.....hmmmm.....He's also been a
first order attack dog for Obama....hmmm again....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:31 PM
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3. Kerry ALWAYS did - it's OTHER Dems who wouldn't risk their skins countering attacks on 2004 nominee
as they wouldn't publicly attack back against Bush and Rove at their strongest, especially in the post 9-11 media climate.

Funny how yall don't GET that Kerry is doing what Dem SURROGATES are supposed to do for the nominee - but y'all claim that Kerry was supposed to do it for himself in 2004 while you let those who REALLY failed off the hook.
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CherokeeDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:34 PM
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5. I'll Give You That..
I guess that I am still angry that he didn't fight harder for Ohio that I forget...neither did anyone else. Maybe the Dems are finally beginning to do what is right.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 03:32 PM
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4. I liked how Kerry did not allow Shuster to interrupt him.
:)


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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:20 PM
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17. Not surprising to see Kerry sidling up to this plutocratic scumbag.
And further proof that Kerry's as bought-and-sold as they come.

If you receive sweetheart deals from a mortgage mafioso like Countrywide, you're an asshole. And a very large part of the problem.

Get a clue, Lurch.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:29 PM
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19. What a load of horseshit. You always believe lies and exaggerations against Dems?
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 04:39 PM by blm
Guess you are also unaware that Kerry has been the senator advocating public financing of campaigns since 1985 and wrote the Clean Money, Clean Elections legislation he submitted with Wellstone in 1997, to get all corporate money OUT of politics.

Kerry never accepted any corporate PAC money in any of his senate campaigns.

Kerry is also the senator who uncovered more government corruption than ANY lawmaker in modern history.

Are you FAMILIAR with actual historic record of this nation, or are you dug in with those whose job it is to distort Kerry and his record for the last three decades of service to Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush?

Who are your heroes? Name one who stayed the course of fascism to the degree Kerry did when he uncovered and exposed illegal wars in Central America, IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:32 PM
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20. K&R
Obama is just the man to learn the lessons of 04. :patriot:


:kick:
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:42 PM
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22. Kerry
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 06:46 PM by mbergen
I'm glad that someone like Kerry is there to stand up for Obama the way they did not for Kerry.

So sick of reading Kerry snipes in every post where he is mentioned - which is why I normally stay out of them. I guess criticizing Kerry is still in season - any time, any post about him - no matter how many good things he does - it's never going to be good enough.

I'm just tired of it.

Meg
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:48 PM
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23. It's ok
Me feels the same way. :hi:
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:55 PM
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25. united
I guess I'm just a bit frustrated that here we are trying to unite, and posts about how democrats shouldn't be attacked now, and it's done over and over against Kerry, but I don't feel like I should alert because that's normal in here for every Kerry thread for the same old talking points to be repeated over and over - he didn't fight for us, he didn't fight against the swiftboaters when it's been refuted over and over again. John Kerry is the reason I'm here - why I got interested in politics. His speeches inspired me in a way that is similar to the way Obama's do. For once I felt like there was someone who I could trust, as I do Obama. I was utterly shocked at the way people turned on him after the election. I had not been here before the primaries, only when the "unity" was enforced, so I didn't know how many people here disliked him. All I knew was how much I did like him, so it was surprising to read all the vitriol against him afterwards. I sure hope that Obama will win so I don't have to read negative things about him for 5 years to come as well.

Maybe it's better not to get invested in a candidate - maybe I'm just too sensitive to criticism of someone I like so well.

Meg
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:59 PM
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26. In the same boat
Needing more thicker skin and remaining hopeful at the same time. I am here for the same reason and helping to get Obama into the WH. However, people promoting Obama while knocking Kerry and others has been a big turn off in my book, and I doubt that Barack himself would appreciate the childish attacks on a good dem and one of his best surrogates.

I was in the same boat you were. I didn't really pay full attention until after the 04 DNC convention and didn't join DU until weeks after the election. I understand that mistakes were made, but after 4 1/2 years, you would think the vitriol would decrease a bit, but no, it's still here, and it's a rehash of the same old garbage.

On some days, thick skin has been hard to come by, therefore, I have to keep saying that DU isn't the real world (thankfully), but the bashing and hating of a proven liberal senator is very tiresome.


Hang in there. :hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:53 PM
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24. The pathetic thing is - not ONE detractor can name one lawmaker who has effected this nation
more positively and protected its historic record the last 35 years more than John Kerry has.

Would they appreciate being in their second decade of full on fascism by now more than they appreciate Kerry for being the biggest obstacle to it? Heh....maybe some of them would rather than to acknowledge his role or the fascist enabling role of THEIR chosen heroes.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:30 PM
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27. what an asshle post. kerry has been defending others against swiftboating exclusively
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 08:32 PM by seabeyond
as all the other dems keep mouth shut and as NO dem had the balls to defend kerry

and YES kerry defended self but there was so much in all of that swiftboating in aug that you ignore and easily make that comment/statement of yours.

yes, kerry defends and good on him for doing it. no it is not the first and wont be the last and IF obama stands against it immediately it is kerry's EXPERIENCE that gives him the hindsight to speak out immediately and you can bet your ass it will be kerry standing right with him, whereas kerry was left to do it alone amongst all our dems including our media dems....

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Thank you
Me is sick of people saying that Kerry did nothing, while he sits in the corner with a dunce hat and the Dems that stayed quiet get playtime. (Get the picture :).)

People have been posting fact after fact about what Kerry said and did, yet people here still don't get it. The 2004 climate was much different than the 2008 climate now.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. they get it. they have been told FACTS repeatedly and continue with the same bullshit
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 11:33 PM by seabeyond
what does it say about these people. the bush lovers do exactly the same thing. the people that were spouting the lies about kerry did the same thing when they were proven lying about kerry. it doesn't matter how often and repetitively the FACTS (facts are not opinion or two sided), FACTS are told to them and they ignore it to spout out their lie.

they are no better than the right or the very swiftboaters that did exactly this to kerry.

pathetic

and you are right, 2008 is way DIFFERENT than 2004. so many points in that, but again, they will not reasonably think because that is not their agenda. not fact. not reason. not even reality. their lie to diss a man.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:49 PM
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37. Exactly
I love the smackdowns in this thread and the crickets that follow. :bounce:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 10:41 AM
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36. let's turn the screws on mccain's veep, eh media????
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