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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:51 PM
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Lets all give a big thank you to CINDY SHEEHAN
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 11:56 PM by az chela
The woman who started the anti-war movement in this country and rallied all the people together to end this war and get this government out of office and in jail where they belong!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU CINDY,I will be eternally greatful to you and all the wonderful people who stood with you to make this happen.
For all the lives that will be saved in the future because of your sacrifices everyone in this country should salute you!!!!!!!!!!
You will always be my hero!!!!!!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:52 PM
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1. Bravo, Cindy. nt
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:53 PM
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2. Thank you, Cindy
She deserves the Nobel Prize.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:56 PM
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3. It Was A Liminal Moment
Her camping out down in Crawford marked the beginning of the end for Bush - we all looked at those pictures of the black motorcade passing the mother of the slain soldier, and gasped a collective "No - This is wrong". The ball was rolling.

Thank you Mrs. Sheehan.
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Luckyduck Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:58 PM
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4. Cindy is the BEST!
please pass these maps on to her, I have the feeling she might like them...

map for protest on Sunday

PDF Flyer with a map of the DC TV Studios
http://alaskafreepress.com/msgboard/files/meet-the-press.pdf

Congressional offices Monday


http://www.thecapitol.net/MapsAndDirections/images/TCNCapHillMap.pdf
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:59 PM
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5. not to dismiss her efforts, but she didn't start the anti-war movement in this country, she simply
made people pay attention to it, and for everything she has done, I applaud her. but, we were in the streets, at our reps' offices, writing LTTE's, and carrying our protest signs long before she went to crawford. the msm, however, refused to cover any of our activities until this brave woman camped out in the brutal texas heat.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:02 AM
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7. There weren't enough of us.
Cindy has energized a movement.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:05 AM
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8. Yeah, All of those useless people.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:10 AM by patrice
It's a good thing someone came along and made them worthwhile.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:15 AM
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14. More voices always make a louder impression
Individually we can't do much besides look foolish.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:14 AM
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13. What few of you people realize is that Cindy was fighting this war within months of Casey's
death and altho most people didnt know her then she was working with John
Conyer's,Ray McGovern and several other people ,getting very little sleep preparing rallies,giving speeches,putting together protests and because of this she gave up her life as a mom and a wife and left her home to get people to be aware of what this war was about.She met with Joe Wilson,Will Pitts,radio and tv people .She traveled to several countries,not ofr fame or forture but to bring awareness to the people who didnt have a clue what was going on in this government.
She has lived out of a suitcase for over 3 years,went with out food and sleep,went to jail,sat in over 100 degree temps in a ditch,has been called every horrible name you can imagine,has had many death threats.She started GSFP and now is known all over the world.Whether people are for against her or for her they have to know and admit ,she came ,she fought and she never gave up.
How many of you can claim that????????
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:17 AM
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16. But somehow, she seems to have offended some long time activitists
right here on DU. :eyes: Talk about circling the wagons and shooting inward. Sheesh.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:34 AM
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29. That's pretty much part and parcel of taking on leadership.
Looks like just group stuff to me.

I love Cindy and I want to meet her and give her yet another unsolicited hug.

lol

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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:36 AM
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31. She is in La this weekend.I will send you the info if you want
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:49 AM
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38. Hi there, sweetie. I will be in DC so will have to hug her long distance.
I'm getting involved with Code Pink here in the SF Bay Area (a minute at a time but trying to do more) so maybe we'll bump into each other one of these day.

:hug: to you
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:53 AM
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40. Thank you so much I will consider it a great honor to meet you!!
I wanted to go to La this weekend but I am hurting too much so I will have to settle with getting all the feedback from great people like you
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:20 AM
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19. Well, to be fair...
... how many of us are funded to do all these things?

Her job is essentially to be a professional protester.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:21 AM
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20. excuse me, but what part of my statement did you not understand? I know she started working shortly
after her son's death. however, millions of us were out there from the moment it became evident that those lunatics in the white house were going to have their war, no matter what. so, once again, I applaud everything she has done, but do not act as though there were NO anti-war movement before she came on the scene. You are insulting each and every one of us who were out there, including the 30 million who hit the streets on 15 feb 2003.

by the way, I happen to live in the only city in the WORLD, apart from thessalonia, where some of the protestors actually threw things at the police, where the 15 february protestors were tear-gassed. so, you know what, I rather resent your implication that none of our actions counted, or that we didn't exist.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:56 AM
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42. MILLIONS??
No, I don't think so.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:04 AM
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45. you, of course, are free to think whatever you want. even my local, ultra-conservative, reichwing
rag acknowledged the MILLIONS, for example, who hit the streets worldwide on 15 feb 2003.

so think whatever you like. but don't act as though pointing out that the anti-war movement, and its numbers, existed before cindy became known, is somehow belittling her contributions. the OP, however, was clearly belittling the rest of us with the OP. but you will perceive it in whatever way you choose, which is fine. just don't be surprised, or even upset, when peopel point this out to you.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:11 AM
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48. I don't see the OP as belittling in the least
and I think you are being nit picky.

Cindy has contributed a LOT to a movement that didn't get much attention here in the US before August of 2005. No one has said there was no movement before she came along.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:23 AM
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55. okay, let's try this again. I suggest you read the OP, which plainly states that cindy STARTED the
anti-war movement. your comprehension skills seem a bit lacking, since you missed that, as well as my repeated comments that I applaud cindy for all her efforts, but am not pleased with the OP's implication that nothing any of us did before cindy came on the scene mattered.

keep talking about circling the wagons and keep missing the point. I really don't care. you can call it nit picky or any other derogatory terms you wish, but I prefer not to see the efforts of those who were there dismissed.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:03 AM
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86. I agree.Cindy did not start the anti war movement.
Many were involved before her.Cindy jumped on as it was getting noticed and got more publicity.There were Marches on DC before Cindy.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:20 AM
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116. Let's say "Jump Started" then...
and maybe we can all agree. The media didn't give a crap that hundreds of thousands of us were protesting in this country and around the world until Cindy went to Crawford.


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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:05 AM
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76. yes. millions. i am no less grateful to cindy because of the
millions before her. she is a great Hero.

far too many people seem less grateful to the millions, though.



peace
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:03 PM
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103. I remember theprotests right after the war
when something like 9 million people or whatever were protesting all over the globe, and they called it the "largest demonstration in history", which was when Shrub brushed them off as a "focus group" or something. I wouldn't go around denying that. However, Cindy HAS helped the movement for sure, but she's not single-handedly responsible for anything.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:23 AM
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21. Also before the protests Cindy was traveling all over the
country with the groups who put up crosses and had the boots on the ground tours.
Very people knew her then but she was already going day and night to get this movement going.She was at the Downing St hearing,and was on tv on a lot of talk shows before people had a clue who she was until she decided to go to Crawford a day after several of our troops were killed in one day.She simply told me I dont know where Crawford is but I will find it and I will get an answer from bush to "WHAT NOBLE CAUSE".
She did not plan this out she just went and her and her sister stayed in a camp chair in a ditch and organized CAMP CASEY!!!!!!!!!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:40 AM
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34. okay, let's try this again. I have no quarrel with anything cindy has done, I applaud her efforts,
and the fact that the msm finally started paying attention to us when she went to crawford.

but what I resent in your title, and in everything you have said on this thread, is your position that the anti-war movement did not exist before her. hate to tell you this, but the anti-war movement has been around a long time, as have many of us, who have been in the movement since the days of vietnam (and even earlier for some who may actually be older than I am)

I am well aware of what cindy has done--and your snide implication that her efforts are more valuable than anything the rest of us are doing is repugnant. we all do what we can, and would do more if we could. I don't know what your problem is, but I think you need to get over it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #34
43. yep keep circling those wagons
and make sure your musket is loaded. :eyes:
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:56 AM
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79. do you not see that we have all already suffered SO MUCH
invalidating by msm, that being so erased by the verbatim statement in the OP HURT US DEEPLY?!

from what i see posted by you of cindy's words on the new thread, she seems to recognize that. why are YOU circling and shooting US for the OP's mistake?! all it would have taken was an acknowledgment, MAYBE an apology cause it HURT...

but saying someone hurt me on DU is ASKING for those rolling eyes, isn't it?

maybe care about your forebears. we gave our futures, our reputations, our places in any societies often families, our lives..., you know. millions of us.


i'm off now, so no need reply. i hope you get it, but it's not necessary to me. i see others trying to reach you, so i have to express this support for their bravery. as i so often have for cindy's.


peace
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:37 PM
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110. Beautifully put
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 06:38 PM by MN Against Bush
I wish there was a recommend feature for comments because yours really showed Cindy Sheehans commitment to her cause when she goes through all of that. Some people may not like every one of her opinions, but someone who has gone through so much to get her message out deserves the right to say what they want without outsiders trying to manage their campaign.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:37 AM
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32. I don't remember seeing her at the huge rallies before the war. nt
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:43 AM
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36. And she will be the first to tell you that she was involved
in teaching and raising a family and being a wife and when Casey was killed she realized that the war was a set up and not a real war.
She has said many times how much she regretted not finding out about the war
and trying to stop it but like many of us we didnt approve but werent told the truth and so we were all had by this government.
All of us who have lost a child never get over it and it has to be stopped before anymore people go thru this heartbreak.
My son died a few months after Casey and due to my health I cannot go out and protest but I try to do what I can on the internet.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:41 AM
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35. What Cindy did was put a human face on the anti-war movement.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:43 AM by calimary
She was a David up against a Goliath. An underdog against the Big Machine. She was our version of that single Chinese guy standing in the roadway blocking the way for all those fearsome-looking tanks.

Better yet, she put a legitimized victim's human face on the war. NO ONE could avoid referring to her as a "grieving mother." NO ONE. It made her an extraordinarily sympathetic figure. You dissed her at your peril.

Best of all, she softened up the adversary so that Katrina could close the deal - roughly a month after Cindy stepped up onto the national scene.

She did a superb public service. It won't bring back her son. It won't bring back ANY of the other dead from this awful, misbegotten war. But it just might prevent more carnage. She turned people's minds on the war. She got that whole ball rolling. And we do indeed owe her a HUGE debt of gratitude. In my opinion, she was TIME magazine's Person of the Year at the end of 2005. She helped us position near the tipping point, as far as a general dissatisfaction with the way bush was steering the country. In her case, that dissatisfaction involved specifically the war. But it enhanced and elevated a more general dissatisfaction with most (if not all) things bush. Once we'd gotten close enough to that critical mass, Katrina came in and pushed us over the top.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:12 AM
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49. Can't ignore what an eye-opener Katrina was.
Coincidence in time is a powerful phenomenon.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:08 AM
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78. very well said. thank you. eom
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:01 AM
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6. Thank you Cindy for **joining** the anti-War movement.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:03 AM by patrice
I personally went to three demonstrations in DC, with 100s of thousands of others, before Cindy S. became active.

American Friends' Service Committee and Catholic Worker House have been anti-War active for decades and were organized and out in the streets against this War as early as 2002.

Hare Krsna!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:15 AM
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15. Joining, then leading
Thank you, Cindy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:18 AM
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17. She has always been a part of the movement
Some here just act like she is stealing their thunder.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:07 AM
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9. K&R n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:20 AM
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115. Cindy Sheehan, my hat is off to you lady - don't ever stop - we need you & love you...
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:08 AM
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10. Happy to hop on this bandwagon
Cindy

:yourock:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:09 AM
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11. A modern "Profiles in Courage" would include Cindy Sheehan.
:thumbsup:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:13 AM
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12. I think not.No praise for Dem bashers.Sorry.I used to support her.
I even marched with her but no longer. She doesn't support us so she has lost my allegiance. She should work with us instead of against us to end the war. What she does now id counterproductive and self promoting.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:19 AM
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18. She is #1 a peace activist
She neither owes or grants anything to one party or the other.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:31 AM
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27. And as she isn't a Dem she can say what she likes but bashing the only party that
will end the war is not productive! And s a loyal Dem, I won't quietly tolerate her attempting to influence our primaries.Our choice is none of her business! I support ending the war but not her current tactics.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:54 AM
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41. LOL and which Dems are REALLY trying to end this illegal invasion?
500,000 of us will be marching in DC on Saturday to send a message to Congress, especially the ones we just voted for.

And you know what? If a republican promised to end this war TODAY he/she would get my vote. I am a lifelong Dem, a precinct captain and a state delegate for my party, but this goddamn war MUST END.

Saving the lives of our soldiers and innocent Iraqis is really a lot more important than the Democratic party.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:20 AM
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64. If you don't know you haven't been paying attention.
I guess you are a one issue voter..Why not support Hagel? He would take all our rights away but heck, he's end the war so he must be a great guy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:23 AM
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67. Oh but I have been paying attention
So have 500,000 others who are going to DC this weekend. Now if those Dems had added ending the war to their first 100 hour agenda, we probably wouldn't be going.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:01 AM
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84. I don't suppose it occurs to anyone the Dems CAN'T end the war.
Bush is still CIC. Impeachment and removal from office would require and investigation and a trial.It would take years and an Independent Counsel(and that law has expired) and Bush has already sent the troops.We cannot endanger them by cutting funds.They already don't have enough armoured vechicles.Whatever.Some think that all is required that Congress say"NO".It doesn't work that way.The Dems are doing what they can.They couldn't have done anything about Iraq in the 100 hours.They did what they could.Since no other issues than the war concern some, I weonder what party they will support when the war is over? Perhaps none.Some of us remained loyal Dems through Vietnam. We protested the war while we fought for Women's Rights and Civil Rights, but I guess some can't hold two thoughts in their head at the same time.I am grateful for our Dems and the progress they have made.They deserve a Thank You instead of it never being good enough.Anyone who would vote for a Republican over a single issue isn't a committed Democrat.Our platform is bigger than one issue even if that issue is war.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:47 AM
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100. Our troops are DYING
Innocent Iraqis are DYING.

As Cindy says, peace transcends party politics. Sorry if that is so hard for you to grasp.

Not ONE Dem did ONE thing to help bring an end to the madness. They talked and did nothing. They didn't have to endanger our troops, they didn't have to abandon them, but they left them completely off their agenda. Just like when the 2000 election was stolen and when the 2004 election was stolen, the Dems have proven to be spineless and unwilling to really change anything.

The republicans are not following the rules. We have a war criminal for a president and a VP who is profiting nicely from this invasion of Iraq. They spy on us, listen to our phone calls and read our mail. Torture is now legal.

So the republicans do not follow the rules, strip US citizens of our rights, allow this insanity to continue and the Dems are expected to follow the rules?

Hopefully you can see the holes in this plan.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:26 PM
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104. If we are so spineless and worthless, why don't some join another party like the Greens?
Didn't you state that you are a State Committee person? Doesn't that make you just as culpable? What have you done but march and scream? Have you run for office? What responsibility do you take to end this war? What kind of sacrifices have you made? I am just disgusted at the lack of appreciation and the bullying that some in our party are doing to the fine people who have sacrificed much to represent us and make a "constructive' difference.Our representaives are doing far more than just marching and flapping their mouths.
Innocent AMERICANS are dying every day as well. And those AMERICANS are just as important as the Iraqis and are equally victims of the Bush regime.I have family members who will likely die because they can't afford medication.The Congress can act on those issue but they cannot act to stop the troops.You want to turn us into a Banana Republic and have two wrongs make a right.
And BTW, I am a State Committee Person as well as District Chair and a Campaign Mamager.And I respect my Party.Too bad you don't.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:28 PM
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112. Fact: bush is the commander in chief...
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 07:30 PM by cynatnite
He has control of the military. He is the only one who can bring them home at this point in time. Dems can bitch, moan, groan, investigate, subpeona or whatever to their hearts content, but bush is the only one who can bring them home.

Dems can cut the purse strings, but that doesn't change the fact that bush is in charge of the military.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:23 AM
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22. I like her. But many people don't need to be lead on this issue.
She, in fact, does not lead those who follow their own minds and hearts whether it is popular or not.

I like her, but regard her as a media creation, something that she will use to further the movement, fine, but if those others hadn't been out there long before the rest of us and our inflated notions of our own importance, there wouldn't be anything for Cindy to, ahmmmm, "lead".
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:24 AM
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23. thank you, Cindy....
....for all the effort and sacrifice you've made....
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:24 AM
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24. Thank you Cindy for galvanizing the peace movement and inspiring so many to actively join in.
Thank you to all who were part of the peace movement before Cindy's actions struck such a major nerve and media focus. Thank you all who are working for peace now.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:25 AM
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25. When many Dems in Congress were taking the lead in support of Bush's war,
Cindy did what needed to be done.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:25 AM
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26. What part of all the wonderful people who stood with you did
you not understand?????
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:32 AM
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28. Not a big fan.
I think her sway on public opinion is given far too much credit on DU. The majority of the country found their own way to being against the war. Cindy Sheehan didn't show them the way.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:35 AM
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30. YOu are certainly entitled to your own opinion,I am asking the
people who appreciate Cindy for all she has done to say thank you.If you dont feel that way that is your right
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:38 AM
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33. Cindy can count on my vote. Thanks Cindy. Long before they
said you were insignificant, I knew that this was the force this country so greatly deserved. While the horific sacrifice that Cindy and her family have indured could never be repaid, it is a reminder of what true patriots are. Bless you Cindy and your big beautiful heart that was torn apart. We love you!!!!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:46 AM
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37. Sorry folks, I'm just not given to hero worship. And, though I'm not
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:50 AM by patrice
much of an activist myself, I have personally known people who organized and lead public anti-War/Nuclear Freeze events in Topeka, Kansas as far back as the late 70s. It's a little hard to see them discounted by over-simplified portraits of one very fine woman.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:51 AM
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39. I am not asking anyone to worship Cindy,I just wanted her
to know that because I cannot go to the protests and marches I wanted to thank her on my behalf.I guess I gave a lot of you the wrong impression.
I live in constant pain and sometimes I dont express my self the way I should.If I have offended anyone on here I am truly sorry.I have a hard time dealing with the loss of my son and it hurts so much that I cannot be with the rest of you at the protests and marches!!!!!!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:59 AM
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44. I am sorry!! to hear that. Thanks for providing the context to your posts.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 01:00 AM by patrice
I sometimes imagine it would kill me to loose my son, so you and Cindy are a stronger persons than I am.

Context is essential to Truth.

Thanks very much for making the effort to understand and to be understood.

Hare Krsna! Hare Rama!
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:10 AM
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46. Losing your son doesnt kill you ,that would be the easy way
the hard thing is seeing someone on the street that looks like him,hearing the phone ring in the middle of the night and it isnt really ringing,wondering if he is happy or lonely,seeing thinks at the store he would like and pick them up to buy them and realize he isnt here anymore.
Having his kids ,my grandchildren hate me because they support bush and they havent talked to me in over 2 years those are the hard things!!!
I want so much to help the dems get elected and get rid of the criminals in the white house and go to the protest marches.
Like Cindy a part of me is dead and it will never be any better than it is right not for either of us so sometimes we lead with our hearts and make mistakes as there arent any classes to tell you how to react to this.Thanks for your kind post ,Altho it made me cry ,it helped.
Peace
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:53 AM
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57. I know a few things about what you describe. My husband of 30 years
died. We had gotten through all of the hard stuff about being married and were on cruise control for our "happy golden years" when he died of lung cancer about 10 years ago. I still think I see him now and then, in a passing car, across a crowded airport concourse, walking into a building on the other side of the street . . . .

I believe there is something that we refer to imperfectly as "God", but I don't think we know anything else about it, period, end of story. I try to live without illusions, because that's what leads to one or another of the type of Hell we're in right now. The particular illusion of self-important inflation completely kills the great mystery that we're all a part of. All of us contribute to this mystery in one way or another, but there is no way to say that the "small" things you do Chela do not, through various other synchronicities, trigger (maybe not necessarily "big", but) definitely *significant* other events, which go on to trigger more such events. So, you can see that though I'm against inflation of self or others, I'm not sure there really is any such thing as "small". This context means you are as important as Cindy is Chela.

No need to apologize to me. Mistakes are okay. We learn from them.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:07 AM
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60. Thank you,I had my son 2 days before I turned 18 and we grew up
together .We were always so close and he used to call 2 or 3 times a day.And it took me 2 years to accept that he is never going to call again
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:11 AM
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47. BTW, could you possibly be jealous of the anti-war lady?
nt
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:15 AM
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50. Jealous of Cindy???She is one of my best friends!!!!!!!
My son died 4 months after Casey.Why would I be jealous???I dont have Cindy's strength or knowledge and could never do what she has done.I Love her like one of my own kids.
I am damn proud of her
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Luckyduck Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:18 AM
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53. I am so sorry
:cry:
Thank you for all you do to support Cindy's efforts.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:22 AM
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54. I would do anything for Cindy,she knows that and so does
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 01:28 AM by az chela
anyone who knows me.I would do anything for her.It doesnt matter if I agree with her or not,I love her and respect her.When my son died I adopted Cindy.
She always calls me mom or mama and I am the one who listens to her sobs and heartbreak when the pain from Casey dying gets too much for her to handle.
We have both recieved death threats and a group that is associated with Melanie Morgan emailed me and said they had my name and address and told me exactly what it was and threatened me and Cindy.I was also sent web sites from some christian militia groups that said they were coming to get me.
Jealous???I think not!!!!!!1
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:41 AM
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56. those people are absolutely insane. do you have any sort of protection? people around; you? I
know so many of us have gotten these kinds of threats, but for some, it is far more serious. please take care of yourself.

I know all of us are doing everything we can to stop this insanity, and the prospect of even more (seeing that the original IWR contained language allowing the idiot-in-chief to go after the whole ME is absolutely appalling)

pace
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:04 AM
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59. I was terrified for a couple of weeks,they even posted something
on their miltia site ,showing huge weapons and then posted an article and put my name on it.
I contacted the fbi and I told them and the backed off
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:16 AM
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62. Oh don't they just love to talk big?
I will never forget the ONE guy who was in Crawford last August. ONE. All by himself, standing there selling t-shirts with some vile anti-Cindy message. I felt sorry for him.

Then there was that bus that showed up in August of 2005 and the freepers got off in the middle of a prayer service Cindy was having and started yelling "We don't care!"

Then they got back on their bus and went away.

Big talkers. :rofl:
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:22 AM
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66. they are cowards
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:22 AM
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96. Response was to patrice
who said the exact same thing to me about the SKANK who whored for chimp during the SOTU address.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:15 AM
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51. !!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:59 AM
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58. Ann you are the most divisive person I know.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:18 AM
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63. Well I know that she is full of shit about that.
I have read all your emails the last year and she has a problem.
Why would she do that???
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:38 AM
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69. I said she is full of shit about what she said about u
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:46 AM
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72. this is for Ann in response to Patrice.I love all of anns emails
and agree with her
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:47 AM
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73. Thanks chela
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:49 AM
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75. and also I agree with all your posts they are my favorites.
You are always there to back me up when I need support
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:40 AM
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70. I am alerting and asking that your post be deleted
I see my name which you know is not okay. I also don't see "I'm sorry I behaved like a lunatic and screamed at you in public".
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:47 AM
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74. I agree with proud to be lib,sorry about the name I am very tired and emailing 4 people
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:02 AM
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98. DAMN
You just personally attacked everyone you came into contact with didn't you?

Pitiful.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:09 AM
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61. I will stand with Cindy because she has given us so much.
:kick: and :thumbsup: for Cindy!
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:22 AM
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65. Cindy Had Done A Remarkable Job
To stand up like she has to the Neocons is really something. She may not have been one of the first to join the anti-war movement but she is definetly one of the bravest. Thank you Cindy!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:29 AM
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68. Cindy is a HERO for what she has accomplished...she has shamed Bush into a pile of doo
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:41 AM
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71. Thank you, Cindy!!
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:07 AM
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77. thank you Cindy, for all you do. thank you az chela for all... n/t
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:04 AM
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80. Salute!................BUT
I really wish we could change our terminology and call this movementPRO-PEACE rather than Anti-War.
That might open it up to more people and has a broader, more positive and enduring intention.:hippie:

PEACE OUT~
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:08 AM
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81. From out here at Arlington West in Santa Barbara, hugs to a fine lady
Thanks for giving voice to the unheard. May the Goddess hold you in her loving care.

Hekate

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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:16 AM
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82. Grazie Mille Bella Donna
Peace. Love. Light. Forever To Cindy.:hug:

Binka
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:52 AM
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83. K&R for Cindy.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:02 AM
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85. I am Cindy Sheehan.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:52 AM
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87. Big thank you from me! Cindy got this started through
her own personal pain. I will never forget that and will continue to fight for the end of this senseless war so no other family has to experience that pain.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:30 AM
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88. She did what now??!?!?!?!?!?
She started something? When? How? What?
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:38 AM
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89. I'm saluting you Cindy !!
:loveya:
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:53 AM
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90. kick for cindy ... if you dont get Cindy, you dont get it do YOU
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:07 AM
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91. lets give credit where credit is due....i marched, wrote letters, marched again...
begged pleaded and wore an impeach bush button before the war started...nobody listened...msm downplayed the millions, yes millions, who marched nationwide, worldwide...and continued to do so until katrina...i learned here on du that cindy was going to crawford...i couldnt go but sent $$$...and watched her demonized by msm...but i KNEW that her actions were pivotal...i was encouraged enough in those first few days of her being in crawford to write John Kerry and tell him that I was finally over the way he dealt with another stolen election...that my broken heart which left me stunned again from November to August was healing...Cindy helped do that...I dont think Cindy would have had the same impact if Katrina hadn't happened, but the absolute incompetence of this administration was difficult for even their most ardent supporters to ignore..Cindy and Katrina are two forces of nature...a grieving mother is hard to dismiss...Cindy changed the playing field...that's a fact...she is not God, she is not perfect...but she did what no one else was able to do...and now, the majority of America wants us out of this bloody mess...I will be eternally grateful for her presence and tenacity...thank you Cindy...
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:16 AM
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92. Thank you Cindy!
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:44 AM
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93. Many thanks, Cindy
And keep up the good work! Let's bring these bastards down and save lives while doing it!
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:45 AM
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94. Whether you like her or not, she's doing more than most people to stop this shit.
I respect that.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:57 AM
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95. Don't most of us against the war do what we can?
I hate to see all on the sniping about a cause we all fight for in our own way. Cindy's accomplishments should be celebrated. Whether we completely agree with all of her tactics is secondary. Principles come before personalities in our fight.

I wish I could participate in the demonstrations but because of my disabilities I am forced to be with everyone in spirit. To be honest, I wish I would have kept my old Nam protesting hat although I never thought I would need it again. I may not agree with all of any protester's methods but I can never disagree with the motives. Who would have thought we would be teaching our children and/or grandchildren what to do in a major protest?

I believe that all we do will get noticed. It may not be front page news. The Pilgrim Place peace activists are out almost every Friday, rain or shine and have been there since the onset of this invasion. Sometimes the vigils are large, sometimes there are fewer than fifty people but they are there rain or shine. Many of them were the movers and shakers of the Nam peace movements as well as working for civil rights and very few of them got their names in the papers. It's amazing to look at their pictures though and listen to them talk. I can't go very often but when I do the believing we changed the world once and we can do it again gets renewed and I am ready for my letter typing campaign again. They will never get the coverage that the big movements and individuals like Cindy will but they are an integral part of the movement just the same. Those of us who write because physically we cannot go to a protest have our place also.

My writing skills aren't what they used to be and I hope I have made myself clear. We need to stand united. It's ok if we are not in 100% agreement on everything. The cause is important, people are secondary. We need to bring our troops home and end the insanity of this administration.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:32 AM
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97. Bless you, Cindy
You are one courageous woman and I appreciate your tireless efforts to end this war. Don't let the naysayers get you down.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:02 AM
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99. Thank you Cindy!!
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:54 AM
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101. Clarify
I reread what I wrote and it doesn't read exactly how I wished it to. Cindy deserves our gratitude and respect. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with every movement she makes. If more people were like her and fought for convictions like she does, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. She is the face of the movement-she and the over 3000 of our people that have been killed in an unjust invasion.

My other point was that all of us need to be proud of what we are trying to do to stop this senseless war. I am no Cindy but I do what I can. I can't go to any demonstrations this weekend but I will keep calling, writing letters and giving to organization what tiny bit I can from my disablility. WE need to support each other rather than critize. It bothers me to see in house fighting about some methods. We must always keep in mind the whole picture.

Within the next few weeks, a young man I have known since he was born is going into the Navy. His mother is a neocon and she pushed him to enlist and I wanted to hurt her. I still do. I have always callled my soon to be in the Navy guy, Friend. I just finished writing a long. long letter to him giving him my support and promising to try to keep in contact with him daily. He won't be on the ground in Iraq but with the insanity that's going on I still fear for his safety. I have a 16 year old daughter and am also terrified of the draft because of the war mongers in charge. Cindy speaks for me-a lot better than what I can do.

Keep going, Cindy. It doesn't matter a rat's patootie if everyone agrees with all of your methods. You follow your heart and speak the country's conscience. There are those of us who will probably never be able to join a protest in body, but we are there in spirit.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:02 PM
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102. K&R up tp 55 recs... cool!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:39 PM
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105. Thank you, Cindy. Your efforts to end the war have been a perfect
memorial to your son.
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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:06 PM
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106. Cindy is a ballsy lady!
She makes me ashamed for being so passive.:+
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:09 PM
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107. Thank you, Cindy!
And thank you, az chela!
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:16 PM
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108. For what Cindy has gone through with the loss of her son
And with relentless effort she exposes the truth can't bring him home again :cry:
Cindy is fighting for all our sons and daughters, this is why I honor her.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:10 PM
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109. I, too, want to thank Cindy
It was Cindy that brought attention to the anti-war movement, it was Cindy that got the conversation started in many homes that didn't know that it was "ok" to question the war.

Cindy is also an example of a life well lived, to be true to oneself. Cindy reminds me so much of other women of history that we so greatly admire.

Cindy, you are an inspiration, and you have my deepest respect & admiration.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:24 PM
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111. I appreciate what Cindy has done for the anti-war movement, BUT....
... I really wish she would run for President of the United States.

Imagine. A president the whole world could love and respect..:)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:02 PM
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113. Thank you, Cindy. Thank you, thank you, thank you. n/t
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:16 AM
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114. Cindy can speak for me anytime but
she never speaks for anyone but herself.

Thanks Cindy for following your heart and speaking the truth to people who don't want to hear it. And despite
the criticism from people who should appreciate it.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:49 AM
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117. She did not start it, but she gave it a human face.
Millions were in the streets before the monsters launched their campaign of mass murder, but the Corporate Media lied and presented 100 pro-war pundits for every voice against. When Cindy showed up and got in their face they first tried to portray her as a kook, but her honesty got through. She gave us a face. Thank her for doing that.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 03:55 AM
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118. thanks Cindy for following your heart! it's a beautiful example!
sometimes the courageous just need a lone voice and nudge by the gentle and meek to remember their own strength.
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