Official thread # 4---- Walter Reed neglect hearings on Cspan 1:

[Sydnie]

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Official thread # 2 Walter Reed neglect hearings on Cspan 1:
Posted by rodeodance on Mon Mar-05-07 09:50 AM
Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Official thread # 2 Walter Reed neglect hearings on Cspan 1:
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Official thread # 2 Walter Reed neglect hearings on Cspan 1:
Posted by rodeodance on Mon Mar-05-07 09:50 AM
Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject House hearing on Walter Reed neglect starting on CSpan1 Now
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x340919#340919




House hearing on Walter Reed neglect starting on CSpan1 Now
Posted by Greeby on Mon Mar-05-07 08:51 AM

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[Sydnie]

1. These guys are masters at doublespeak

testing bells ans whistles indeed!

[Cameron27]

2. Foxx lobs Kiley a cream puff question..

:mad:

[Sydnie]

3. He has already let Weightman off the hook too

"you've only been there 6 months and have been given more responsibility than you deserve for these problems". :puke:

[malaise]

4. Two more Rethug hacks

Fuck Fox.

[Cameron27]

11. "Feedback" in civilian hospitals

is lawsuits...always get's managment's attention.

These Generals are preposterous.

edit: replied to myself by mistake!

[Monkeyman]

5. I am back after reading your post white wash is coming

[POAS]

6. K & R n/t

[POAS]

7. Please Rec this to get to greatest page

[Cameron27]

9. Thanks, forgot to do that.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

8. K&R

[Monkeyman]

10. DAM HE JUST BLAMED THE FAMILIES

[eleny]

13. I had to step out for a minute and missed that

How did he rationalize that? Jeez!

[POAS]

14. WHO? This is hard to follow on the radio

[eleny]

18. It was probably Kiley

[Monkeyman]

22. Gen Kiley for not reporting the problems

[POAS]

24. Thanks to both for the clarification.

[POAS]

12. I am accountable to the Army

(don't know who is speaking BUT) You are accountable to the troops and to the people of the US. Your duty goes down NOT up!

[eleny]

15. Too often, managers don't get how that loop travels

From them to those they supervise or serve and then respect goes back to themselves.

Kiley only cares about climbing to the next rung on the ladder.

[Miss Chybil]

83. The troops ARE the Army. nt

[Sydnie]

16. 371 outpatient rooms

It's not that big a facility. How did you not know.

This puke is surprising me, I will admit.

[POAS]

21. I don't do room inspections but

I would if I was asked.

And I don't do windows and they are dirty, but then I live alone!

[adigal]

61. How did all of them in Congress not know??

I am not letting anyone off the hook, even the Democrats, because these reports have been out there for years.

[Sydnie]

122. -fill in the blank- Du jour

It wasn't getting play and the phones weren't ringing. Even those that claim they knew couldn't do anything, especially the dems, because they had no leverage. No excuse for not addressing it now though. None.

[POAS]

17. Why didn't you know???

They could have just walked across the damned campus and they would have known!

I wonder what their offices look like.

[Sydnie]

They live across the street

they should be forced to live THERE instead!

[eleny]

19. He's being slapped down about his organizational style by Rep. Turner - R

[Cameron27]

20. Kiley could have looked out his window to

see the condition of the building, never mind inspections. I can barely listen to this crap

[POAS]

23. They sound like Republics more than Generals to me.

Is it any wonder that more and more lower rank soldiers are turning on the Republics?

[eleny]

25. Time for another special comment by Olbermann

It'll be blistering.

[Monkeyman]

27. Slap down on Kiley on PTSD hog wash

[lebkuchen]

26. Kiley's current testimony is important

How can I get a copy of that?

[lebkuchen]

68. BRAC is a failure and a boondoggle

Kiley's opinion to keep Walter Reed open during war is correct.

[POAS]

28. Gen. Kiley that is hogwash!!!!

[Cameron27]

30. I know...that was GREAT!

[Monkeyman]

31. This is Kiley's last stand

[POAS]

33. So when is Bush's last stand??

That's the head that really needs to roll!

[rodeodance]

124. HO HO

[flashlighter]

29. Who's this guy? Is he a Dr? he says he's treated people

for years with TBI and PTSD..

[Sydnie]

32. I thought I heard him say that too n/t

[flashlighter]

37. Ah, Rep Brailey D (Obviously) Iowa

[SharonAnn]

97. Rep. Bruce Braley, New Progressive Democrat in Congress. Lawyer who represented some families.

He was referring to his experience in working with the families and service members.

He's a really good guy! He's very progressive (liberal), pro-union, etc.

[Cameron27]

34. Kiley's an MD

[Monkeyman]

35. I didn't know we had people coming here like that

[POAS]

38. Treated or worked with or for?

As in serving constituents

[flashlighter]

42. Braley is a lawyer

from his bio: Bruce has represented employees challenging dangerous company safety standards and has fought for people who lost their jobs due to corporate downsizing.

[Sydnie]

44. I think he said earlier that his brother was a doctor n/t

[Sydnie]

36. blivet* said there would be no need for body bags or anything like that

Even Buchanon told him he was nuts when he said that!

[Cameron27]

39. Braley's doing an outstanding job...

[lyonn]

72. Agree, also Betty McCollum

Gotta mention the mold issue, they, Kiley, Weightman (?)said it was being taken care of but a new roof was needed. Well golly, we all know, that own houses, that when mold appears there is a leak somewhere or heavy moisture from somewhere, like a shower, etc.. Outsourcing is the problem in my view. Govt. has no problem spending our money, they do like tho to outsourse it to their buddies. They scalp the tax payers.

Letting a case worker decide medical decisions is outrageous and that seems to be what is happening. Lazy people allow some contract laborer decide what care out wounded troops get is disgusting.

[SharonAnn]

104. Yes, and he's from my hometown, Waterloo, IA. He's a new, progressive Democrat.

I'm proud to have supported him, and got lots of friends to support him, too.

He picked up a Repub seat in the 2006 election.

Bruce Braley, "Wahoo!"

[lyonn]

118. You should be proud, he aked questions we wanted answered.

Wish I had any representation in Washington, ugh

[Monkeyman]

40. Tell the truth VA and DOD claim Veterans fake PTSD

[POAS]

45. Sounds like the Generals are faking compassion

[Sydnie]

41. Bascetta - (GAO) is bringing the smackdown!

Good!

[eleny]

43. Knowledge of PTSD is evolving

They've been adressing it since the Vietnam War. How much time do they need to understand that it's delayed?

They've been spending too many decades avoiding the issues.

[trof]

46. Shays (R) "I have to go to a burial at Arlington of a soldier

killed in Iraq."
As he leaves the chamber.
pissant
:grr:

[flashlighter]

49. Probably the first one he's gone to..

[POAS]

50. Oh I'll give him a pass on that IF

that is really where he is going. If it is true then he is doing more than those Generals!

[flashlighter]

47. McCollum asking a logical question about HIPPA

why can't the soldiers just sign off on HIPPA agreements so the DOD and VA can share medical info...
Too logical for Kiely..

[Sydnie]

48. My cardiologist is "online" with his records

They made a big deal about how they could pick up my info for many years of previous treatment by any other doctor that was "online" (pissed me off too). But, if my doctor can do it, why can't the VA/Walter Reed do a closed loop system? :shrug:

[POAS]

52. That is an idea that is so

21st Century!

[eleny]

57. This is a blame game

A passing of the buck to "the system". I believe he's lying.

[Cameron27]

51. Kiley squirms over Hippa issues,

even though Bascetta cut him no slack.

[Sydnie]

53. We made it look pretty - put new lipstick on that pig

but it's still going to be a pig until we address the reasons behind it. d'oh! No shit!

A coat of pain and new wallpaper are set dressings, just like this whole DAMN admin is!

[POAS]

56. "A coat of pain" I don't know if that was intentional but

bravo either way.

What was the answer to the follow up on if they did actual testing to confirm if it was mold or mildew?

[flashlighter]

58. They didn't test it.

[POAS]

60. OF Course, why did I even need to ask!

[Sydnie]

59. He said he couldn't address that

period. He couldn't address that.

[POAS]

62. Because the answer would be NO!

[Cameron27]

54. Screw Foxx,

what a f**king apologist.

[flashlighter]

55. Foxx: (R- asshole) "This is Congress's fault, not yours"

these problems are, "above your paygrade"..

AGH!

[Monkeyman]

63. OK lets blame Congress The Generals and Dubba

[POAS]

65. Well GW at least!

[eleny]

64. And not hers since she's only been there one term

These dueling personal agendas are a marvel.

[Monkeyman]

66. Is Kiley accountable for anything God

[Sydnie]

76. No, he is the pogo stick here

Was in charge, demoted, brought back to be in charge when his replacement was removed, removed again himself.

It's the damn Libby defense! He forgot what he knew and when he knew it depending on the office he reported to at any given time!

[flashlighter]

67. "Global war on Terror" took longer than we had expected..

who in hell would think that a "Global War on Terror" would take less than a generation?? Jesus.

[POAS]

70. duh! Greeted with roses remember?

Mission accomplished!

[flashlighter]

oh yeah.. I'm sorry, I hate 'Murkica, so I dun fergitt.

[Sydnie]

69. Good BRAC resources here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=341287&mesg_id=341869

[Cameron27]

71. Hodes starts grilling!

[POAS]

73. First I heard about

THESE SPECIFIC issues was in the Washington Post!

Talk about parsing of the word IS!

[Sydnie]

77. I caught that too!

Pissed me off!

[POAS]

79. This guy should be

on "Dancing with the stars"

[Sydnie]

80. Too good for him

He should be on a road in IRAQ!

[POAS]

84. As a private!

[Monkeyman]

74. Kiley needs to go now

[Cameron27]

78. Yes

[eleny]

75. So much tap dancing going on here

Kiley totaly unaware of what soldiers were going through at Walter Reed. He didn't know about the soldiers covered in the Wash Post reports.

[POAS]

81. He may need to apply for disability pay for PTSD

after this.

[flashlighter]

85. may he not have a Mrs. McLeod to help him.

[rainbow4321]

82. Building 18 vs 14

http://libertystreetusa.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-folks-who-brought-you-building-18.html

Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters

They were also told they would be moving out of Building 18 to Building 14 within the next couple of weeks. Building 14 is a barracks that houses the administrative offices for the Medical Hold Unit and was renovated in 2006. It’s also located on the Walter Reed Campus, where reporters must be escorted by public affairs personnel. Building 18 is located just off campus and is easy to access.

[Monkeyman]

86. This was done to stop Soldiers from talking to the press

[eleny]

87. Lt. Gen. Kiley = Sgt. Schultz "I know nothing!"

[Monkeyman]

91. Yep he been cought in lies by me right now enough we need to have this puke

Face a Article 32 then a jury

[flashlighter]

93. what's an article 32?

[Hepburn]

111. Court martial section of the UCMJ. n/t

[atreides1]

114. Here's a definition for all you civilians

An Article 32 hearing is a proceeding under the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice, similar to that of a preliminary hearing or a grand jury proceeding in civilian law. Its name is derived from UCMJ section VII ("Trial Procedure") Article 32, which mandates the hearing.

The UCMJ specifies several different levels of formality with which infractions can be dealt. The most serious is a general court martial. An article 32 hearing is required before a defendant can be referred to a general court martial, in order to determine whether there is enough evidence to merit a general court martial. Offenders in the US military may face nonjudicial punishment, a summary court martial, special court martial, general court martial, or administrative separation. A commanding officer will consult with the command's JAG lawyer for advice on case dispostition, depending on the seriousness of the offenses, the strength or weakness of the case, and the commander's desire for case disposition.

[w8liftinglady]

88. sorry-i had to take a break.

[eleny]

92. It's a good thing you did because this testimony by Kiley is appalling

[Sydnie]

94. I can feel my blood pressure rising

just watching this!

[flashlighter]

95. I did too. I'm home today with a stomache flu, and this isn't helping!

[eleny]

98. oh, that can be awful

take care. we went through that here a few weeks ago. it can be hellish.

this will be replayed, no doubt. take care of yourself now.

[flashlighter]

101. My whole city (Boston) seems to have it.

:(

I'm on day 4, so I'm getting better.
Thanks though.

[eleny]

117. It's going coast to coast

I'm not surprised you're on day 4. It can leave you very weak after the first 2 days of hell.

[lyonn]

119. Hummm, been hearing way too many people with a stomach

flu. My suspicious mind goes to; what is the FDA doing now days? Are they being down sized? Or out sourced? Just wondering.

[flashlighter]

121. Well, I think flues are very very contagious.

It doesn't make my weekend any less awful, but I'm not worried about any long term effects.

Or, it could have been the salmon I ate on Friday...

[Stinky The Clown]

89. A few 'gifts' for Kiley ......

[Sydnie]

90. Don't you have a moldy orange suit for him

and perhaps a sand bag too?

[POAS]

96. Thank God CNN is back to pretty dead murdered women

and plane crashes. I didn't know what they would do now that they buried old "what's her name".

[POAS]

99. Holmes-Norton up now

[Sydnie]

102. Glad she is bringing up BRAC now!

Who in the hell ... excuse me.

:rofl: She was right in the first place. Who the hell would want to take that job with that ax hanging over their heads?

[Cameron27]

106. No kidding,

amazing no one can come up with an answer. Duh

[POAS]

109. Pardon my ignorance--define BRAC please!

[Sydnie]

120. Base Realignment and Closure

Check out this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/13/AR2005051300216.html and click the various links on that page (by the pics and in the boxes) for more info too.

[Stinky The Clown]

110. That brought a welcome smile to my face!

She's good people.

[w8liftinglady]

100. what is the duty of the Commander-in-chief?isn't he responsible?

[POAS]

103. Not in today's America

[Sydnie]

105. To show up for the photo-ops, silly

That's all he has to do.

[POAS]

107. Which is an odd thing for a man that has

never taken a good picture in his life! (Even in his cheerleader days)

[Sydnie]

115. Yep - I agree

http://www.cafepress.com/dts

[Cameron27]

108. I hope this is a short break in c-span coverage

coming up.

[POAS]

113. Cspan 1 back to hearing coverage

[Cameron27]

116. Thanks : -)

[Sydnie]

112. ~~~ New thread HERE ~~~

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=342602&mesg_id=342602

[rodeodance]

123. see this also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=102&topic_id=2755664&mesg_id=2755664