Has any else wondered about this, concerning democrats?

[The Straight Story]

Now that the dust has settled over the primaries I am left to wonder about our party based on some things I see flying about:

People (fellow dems, not swing voters or pubs) wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman we hear, and we also hear people won't vote for Obama because he is black.

Democrats won't vote for someone based on race or sex? Which democrats? Because if they won't, than to me they never were part of our party in the first damned place.

When did such things become issues in OUR party. I can see that with the swing voters who might make choices based on such things, but that such a thing is even considered an issue in our party (by the press or people in gdp....) makes me wonder how far WE have come.

Talking about the impact from the point of view of those we expect it from is one thing, but that is even on the radar in our own party is rather strange to me.

Maybe that is why most of us are here in 'underground' - but if true, that saddens me that there are dems out there who even think twice about it.

[KSCFAN]

1. Democratic Racists

This is a REAL touchy subject so I'll tread lightly. There are many racists and sexists out there. I think it has to do more with education and culture then politics. I know many "good ole boys" that are racist and sexist. Some of them are Democrats becuase they are Pro/Union and that is enough for them. It's the economy stupid. Money in their pockets trumps other concerns, usually.

[malaise]

7. That's an oxymoron n/t

[Vincardog]

2. When I opposed HRC because she thinks the left are a problem to be minimized; her supporters say

I am some kind of woman hater. When I say Obama needs to get away from his handlers and firmly stake out Progressive Populist positions I am called a racist. The fact remains that if the female candidate was Barbara Boxer she would have my support. Obama has my support and I still hope to move his positions to the left.

Quit listing to the pundits and rabid supporters they do not speak for most of us.

[undeterred]

3. There are Democrats who oppose a womans right to choose

and Dems who are racist and sexist. I'm not saying there should be, but there are.

[LiberalFighter]

4. The question is who is publicizing it? The media?

How do we know these dems are dems?

It's one thing to call oneself a Democrat and another to be a Democrat.

In my experience, people don't tell the truth when it comes to politics.

I have had people tell me they are independents and vote for the person not the party. Liars. I have the resource to check their voting history and if they vote in only Republican Primaries then they are not independent voters. PERIOD

The same can be said about these so called Democrats. The media is seeking out a story and they will cook it up a bit or the person they are interviewing will say they are if it gets their name in the paper.

But there are racist and sexist assholes in both parties.


Another thing. Just because they call themselves Democrats doesn't mean they speak for the party or have any type of position within the party that determines our platforms.

[robinlynne]

5. I wouldn't worry about it. for all of the reasons posted above. I do not think

the american people and American public opion are perfect,far from it, but I do think on the bigger issues, like economic justice, the war, helatah care for all, if given the opportunity to VOTE and have their votes counted, the majority of people will vote for good changes most of the time. At this point in time, there is really no representation of the will of the people, so things look distorted, and you hear more from the righter wing thinkers (read racist or sexist) becuase of the corrupt media.

[Wizard777]

6. That's just primary mud slinging. I wouldn't give it any credibility.

[MedleyMisty]

8. I see subtle racism and sexism - and outright blatant classism - on here all the time

Prejudice exists in all groups of humans - just because someone self-identifies as a Democrat doesn't mean that they're totally free from prejudice.

This may be prejudiced itself, but I do think it's partly an age issue - when I go to sites that are mostly populated by teenagers and people in their 20s, I don't get the same feeling. They too get indocrinated and have trouble overcoming that but for the most part, unless we had extremist parents, people my age and younger were indoctrinated with tolerance.

And where they are still prejudiced, they tend to be very honest and self-reflective about it - there was quite the interesting thread the other day on a Sims 2 board about double standards for male and female romance Sims where people knew and admitted that they'd absorbed the whole stud/slut thing. I think that self-knowledge like that is a good sign that eventually they'll overcome it. Whereas the person who gets all defensive and goes "OMG, people in GD said I was a racist just because I said 'I'm not a racist, but really, what's up with rap music and why can't black fathers stay with their kids?'" has a long long way to go.

Which the people who still have some of the prejudice from back in the day were the ones who taught us to be more tolerant, so that helps me not judge them so much.

[uppityperson]

9. I consider myself an independent, but frequent DU.

DU is for us also, so long as we generally support dem candidates and ideals. Not saying those who are racist/sexist are dems or indies, just saying I'm an indie and support dem ideals.