When Hugo Chavez Pivots His Nasty Rhetoric Toward Obama, Will You Take Your Nose Out of His Ass?

[tritsofme]

Uncle Hugo needs an American boogeyman (scapegoat) to blame his problems on, he doesn't care if his name is Bush or Obama.

When Hugo starts his crazy rants on President Obama, do you think the cult of Hugo will still make excuses for him left and right?

[texastoast]

1. And what about Hugo is upsetting you? n/t

[sabbat hunter]

3. a bunch of things

that people in his country have not been lifted out of poverty. that crime is very high in the streets.

how is that for starters?

[eShirl]

12. gee, I wonder if there are any other countries where that's true...

:eyes:

[liberalmike27]

66. Yea, what a bummer

Hugo is such a bastard, trying to help out poor people in his country, at the expense of those who live really well-off, what a drag that is, he's so evil for helping the poor.

[LakeSamish706]

13. Those things were there long before President Chavez came to power...

If anything he has helped his people immeasurably.

[LakeSamish706]

16. I wish people like you would do your homework before posting bullshit like this.. n/t

[texastoast]

27. Actually, much of what has been reported about the poverty is the complete opposite

of the MSM reports.

Take a look.

http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/venezuela_research_2008_03.pdf

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3259

http://bermyonionpatch.blogspot.com/2007/08/global-freedom-news-network-venezeula.html

[sam sarrha]

32. see post #31

[texastoast]

34. I'm hopping on that grass

What am I supposed to surmise?

[sam sarrha]

35. you are brain washed and you have a lot to learn in a short time

[texastoast]

38. Who washed my damn brain?

Now, I just can't do a thing with it. Here it goes. Researching, reading and analyzing all on its own again. Maybe a flatiron will work.

:P

[sam sarrha]

64. listen to this by dr lakoff.... why we are losing,..MUST HEAR this, play it while you work on the

computer, one of the mind control "FRAMES" IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS SORT OF THING, it will take effort, do it..!!!

this is ground breaking research... exposes the NeoCons, Faux news, all the media

i have been meditating for 10 years, i have been trying to explain this to people ever since i started.. meditation disassociates emotions from words/thoughts/icons/concepts. that is what the Buddhists mean by being awake, not always riding off on an emotional trip into the future or the past.

you need to be "Here"... "Now" "observant"

their system is to tag a word like liberal, evolution, gay, etc with an emotion that takes you out of the present context.

i tell people and they just don't hear the words out of my mouth, they are not in the present..

[texastoast]

67. And Lakoff and Siddhartha are among my reading

You are preaching to the choir, and I'm starting to think we are on the same page but having a bit of trouble communicating that?


:hi:

[sam sarrha]

31. it takes more than a few years t change the legacy of hundreds of years of colonialism, while the

colonists.. in this case the Robber Oil Barons, who use insidious mind control methods that even work on people like you..

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/08/06/02.php

11:00George Lakoff: "The Political Mind" (Viking)
Linguist George Lakoff on what recent brain research demonstrates about the power of language to shape unconscious thought… and why he believes anti-democratic forces in this country will prevail unless progressives start using language that can change brains.

works in other places too, GrassHopper

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

69. Well announcing he would deport any forigner who

dares question him for one...

"How long are we going to allow a person -- from any country in the world -- to come to our own house to say there's a dictatorship here, that the president is a tyrant, and nobody does anything about it?" http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/07/23/venezuela.chavez.ap/

and an attempt to change the constitution so he can hold onto power...

[BlooInBloo]

2. ...

:popcorn:

[ClassWarrior]

4. Only after you take yours out of your own.

NGU.

[Pavulon]

5. Bingo, the former coup leader chavez

will soon become our problem.

Yes these people are like Jim Jones followers.

[tritsofme]

8. Its almost like the 20%ers here at home.

Hugo can seemingly do no wrong.

[Pavulon]

19. He fits the Che poster

dream of communism. They want him to be different, but he will end up just like the rest

[Lydia Leftcoast]

61. Did he nationalize your oil well too?

:eyes:

[Ignis]

77. "He will end up just like the rest." So, when did Che sell out?

And that Marx guy, he certainly lived a rich and carefree life. :eyes:

[El Pinko]

59. I don't idolize Chavez...

...but he has done more good than harm for Venezuela, and still enjoys wide support from the working classes there.

I'm more bothered by the absurd labels "despot", "tyrant", etc. being hurled at him by US corporate media.

My guess is that the Miami Cubans are behind that to some degree. Anyone who is cordial to Castro must be a demon.

I wonder why they don't hurl the same rage at Lula in Brazil?

[Ignis]

75. That's a great point, El Pinko! Why the double standard?

Perhaps one of the perennial Chavez-bashers in this thread could explain why Chavez is a Marxist, fascist, thug, despot, etc. (ad nauseam), while Lula is not.

(Yes, I expect crickets, but you have to try. :) )

[texastoast]

40. Why? Specifically? n/t

[Ignis]

73. Exactly which DU users are "like Jim Jones followers?"

Or is this simply yet another hit-and-run post with a side of ad hominem?

[papau]

6. Hugo Chavez appears to be some folks "boogeyman" - wish our elections were as honest as his

[Lydia Leftcoast]

30. Right, if he were a dictator, he would have cheated on or voided the referendum

like Mugabe of Zimbabwe. Now there's someone who has jumped the shark... Oh wait, Zimbabwe doesn't have oil.

[LakeSamish706]

7. I personally don't think that Hugo Chavez will do anything of the sort...

once we have a President Obama.... As a matter of fact, I think that President Chavez and President Obama will be able to work well together. They both care deeply about their people and their countries and I'm sure they will easily find common ground. President Chavez hates George W Bush (Just as most of us do) and I'm almost certain that he will take a much different tone with a President Obama.

[Pavulon]

22. Like he did with harry reid?

chavez is an opportunist POS. Know what his mom and brothers are doing now. Give you a hint, they aren't poor. Chavez led a coup before, so dont be surprised if one puts him on his ass on in the dirt.

[LakeSamish706]

25. The US should be so lucky to have a President like Chavez as opposed...

to Bush.... This country has no room to criticize other leaders based on what we have been stuck with for the past (almost) 8 years... Most of the drivel that you people are talking about is from US propaganda... You can do better than this!

[Pavulon]

45. We do, his name is bush, they both led coups

( chavez actually failed) they are pandering to their base idealogical idiots. Chavez is just a bush at the other end of the spectrum.

[LakeSamish706]

47. Your so wrong... But what the hell! n/t

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[LynnTheDem]

65. rotflmao!!!

:rofl:

[High Plains]

83. What ridiculous bullshit.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

70. Except in this nation

We *can* criticize our own leaders... Someone like in the spirit (but not the ideology) of olberman would be pulled off the air, if not his whole station..

Think foreign leaders could go to colleges in Venezuela and criticize Chavez? lol not likely..

[Lydia Leftcoast]

60. Oh no, the relatives of the president of Venezuela aren't poor!

That proves he's horrible.

[Mojambo]

9. Aww somebody is a tad pissy about Hugo!

I doubt I'll support everything ANY president (Democrat or Republican) does, so if Hugo Chavez makes a good point about one of our policies regarding Latin America I'll likely support him.

Deal with it.

[MadMaddie]

10. The truth is I couldn't give a shit about Hugo.....but I think

that Hugo is fucking with numnuts * in the WH, Hugo like Saddam is trying to goad the dumbass into attacking.....think about it..it's like jabbing a rabbid animal......* was insulted and he wants to punish Hugo....Hugo keeps up the pressure...

I am betting if Obama wins we will be saying Hugo who!! That doesn't lesson any threat...

* is the catalyst to a lot of these crazy leaders......and they are willing to do their part to turn the world even further against America...

[RethugAssKicker]

41. MadMaddie.... please learn the truths about Chavez..

He is doing wonders in Latin America... Please learn how we for the last 500 years have fucked over that entire continent...

He has done some incredibly great things so far, and so has Castro..
Don't buy the BS...

I am from Yawd... A Jamaican.. who knows what the IMF and the World Bank does to other countries.... The US govt has been an evil empire... Please check it out.

[Art_from_Ark]

56. Well, "we" really didn't have much to do with Venezuela

as anything except a trading partner until the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, which was issued in the aftermath of the Bolivaran revolution. So someone else gets the blame for the 300 years before that.

[MadMaddie]

78. Perhaps I should be more clear....I personally don't consider

Chavez or Castro for that matter a threat. I think that * partners in crime are targeting this countries because they think they are weak and can be defeated....(kinda like they thought Iraq would be defeated).

No I don't consider Chavez or Castro as a bigger threat than the two men that are currently sitting in the WH.

I agree with you that the IMF and the World Bank are disasterious for these economies.

:hi:

[JeanGrey]

11. ROTFLMAO!! Best laugh I've had tonight - and a great

statement...............

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[mike_c]

15. that depends on whether Obama makes significant changes...

...in U.S. Latin American foreign policy-- it he doesn't he deserves all the scorn Chavez can dish up, IMO. Just as Bush does today.

[madrchsod]

17. i guess we will have to wait and see won`t we.....

make sure you boycott citgo gasoline stations

[tritsofme]

20. I don't buy CITGO gas unless necessary.

I don't want anything to do with that man.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

28. What, did his land reform policies seize one of your family's haciendas?

:shrug:

You sure seem to have a bug up your ass about a foreign leader who has never threatened the U.S.

By the way, even if Chavez did break up your family's plantation and make the peasants uppity, he's only following in the footsteps of the U.S., who did the same thing in Occupied Japan and pressed Chiang Kai-shek to do so in Taiwan.

[RethugAssKicker]

43. You prefer to keep all of Latin America under White European

control... For 500 years... there has never been an indigenous leader of any
of those countries...They have been living under colonialism since Columbus!

Please educate yourself.... If you think what we're doing in the ME is imperalistic....it ain't nothing compared to what we have been doing to South America!!!!!!!!!!

SOY CHAVISTA !

[The_Casual_Observer]

18. So far Obama's policies are about as leftist as any ever actually proposed

since FDR. If Chavez isn't happy with it, he probably wouldn't be happy with anything.

[EFerrari]

21. Not really.

He went to appease that terrorist front group CANF in Miami. That wasn't a great start and no one could call that a progressive venue.

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. Nobody's perfect.

[EFerrari]

36. Agreed. Nobody is perfect. n/t

[RethugAssKicker]

44. Although I support Obama... He unfortunately does not

support Chavez and his movement.... I guess he has to...to win

[The_Casual_Observer]

62. It won't take long before the "progressives" start to turn on Obama

for all kinds of out of left field stuff. It happens every time. Won't be long before The Nation magazine starts in on him for one reason or another, now that he is the main stream Democratic candidate & no longer an outsider.

[mikehiggins]

23. Well, when O starts an illegal war, tries to overthrow the legally

elected government of Venezuela, engages in war crimes and other crimes against humanity, I guess ol' Hugo will have a lot to say.

On the other hand, if the US stops poking its nose into the business of the supposedly sovereign nations that share this planet with us, I think a lot Hugo's "problems" will go away in short order.

Not that I expect that will change your opinion. There are still Cubans who hate Castro after all.

[LakeSamish706]

29. My kind of thinking.... To damn bad others don't feel the same way. n/t

[stillcool]

24. I think people should spend more time..

reading American History, than worrying about some other country with oil.

[and-justice-for-all]

33. Chavez is not the enemy..

Shrub leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth.

[LakeSamish706]

39. So true! n/t

[Rosemary2205]

37. Uh oh.

[Ghost in the Machine]

42. What a stupid post...

:eyes:

[L. Coyote]

46. Only if Obama also tries to overthrow him! GET REAL!!

Wow, do you ever lack historical context. Not to mention substance!!!

And, your crystal ball seems a bit scatologically besmeared :rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

48. No link and a hit and run post.... just stating his opinion

Troll like behavior.

[L. Coyote]

50. The difference between a brown nose and a shithead is

depth perception LOL

[tritsofme]

51. It is my opinion.

And it wasn't advertised as anything else.

When the OP has 50some replies, you can't respond to everyone.

I will take great pleasure however, when Uncle Hugo goes off on his anti-Obama rants, seeing many of the same Hugo apologists trying to make excuses for him.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

53. He may rant as he pleases at ANY foreign head of state who tries to

overthrow him.

[Ichingcarpenter]

55. Hey, Guess what? Hillary is not gonna be president

You have a few more days to take that off your
signature. But go ahead and rant, with no evidence
facts or rationality.

[EFerrari]

52. How embarrassing.

[Gabi Hayes]

54. what is it they're paying for gas in Venezuela?

really screwing his citizens with that, isn't he?

if Obama were smart he'd cut a deal w/Chavez outside OPEC, and take as much oil as we need to supply us until we come up with alternatives.

do they have enough to do so?

why not at least discuss this?

is it impossible.

do you think for ONE SECOND the American people wouldn't FLOCK to him if he announced a deal with Chavez, and gas would cost, oh say 1 or 2 dollars a gallon? The country would be blue and the pugs would be purple (with rage), then green.

[anonymous171]

57. I don't trust him anyway. Too power hungry for me.

Could easily turn into another dictator. But he is not currently one, so I will withhold judgment.

[El Pinko]

58. I've yet to hear a "crazy rant" from Hugo Chavez...

And I doubt he would be all that hostile against Obama. Any criticism he would give Obama would be against Obama's more right-leaning policies.

And what's wrong with that? Chavez is a socialist. Do you expect him to PRAISE Obama for right-leaning Clinton-style "reforms"?

Let me guess, you're a Cuban?

[Truth2Tell]

63. Do you think once the neocons are out of office

their minions will still troll the Internets pimping boogey-men?

:shrug:

[Judi Lynn]

68. Why WOULDN'T a man who had been the victim of a coup the other man supported, and

who has been the target of _Bush's massive funding to his political opposition, bringing them to Washington for conferences in the State Department, conferring with, financially supporting people who led the job lock-out in the oil industry, and the referendum, had his ambassador rush over to throw his spindley arms around the 2 day coup President the moment they took Chavez away at gunpoint, have VERY pointed, strong things to say about _{George W. Bush} who has continually butted into his government, and waged a 24/7 propaganda campaign against him over years, set his cabinet members Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld making trips to South America, attempting to coerce leaders like Luis Inacio Lula da Silva, and Nestor Kircher to isolate Chavez, to stay away from him (both of whom solidly rebuked these attempts)?

You should spend a little more time learning something about the subject you're attempting to discuss FIRST before treating the whole world to your non-reality-based-opinion.

[lumpy]

71. To answer the question.

It depends whether Obama opens up to Venezuela or not.

[Cleita]

72. If Obama continues with the same Latin American policies that

the Bush administration has, he probably will. I have hope that Obama will bring in a new, practical and enlightened vision to Latin American relations that will benefit both us and Latin America. If this happens I believe Chavez will embrace him.

[ceile]

74. LOL!

You're funny....

[Mountainman]

76. He won't do it.

[HughMoran]

79. Will they make excuses?

Yes. :)

[countryjake]

80. Oh, do you mean like this?... "Chavez Offers Olive Branch To Next US President"

Chavez offers olive branch to next US president

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3343170&mesg_id=3343170

"President Hugo Chavez said Saturday he wants to work together with the next US president and that Venezuela and the United States should cooperate to resolve problems including world hunger, energy shortages and climate change..."

"Whoever is the next president of the United States, I'd like start preparing the way to start working together," said Venezuela's socialist leader.
By cooperating, both countries could "help save the world from the food crisis, energy crisis and climate crisis", he added.





(I can't wait to hear the response of the cult of Hugo Haters on this "nasty rhetoric"!)

[Cerridwen]

81. Kick. I want to see the OP respond to post #80 by countryjake. n/t

[tritsofme]

84. Talk is cheap.

I won't be holding my breathe for Mr. Hugo.

[Cerridwen]

85. Yours or his?

So, if Chavez had come out and attacked the next US president you would have considered that in the same category as "talk is cheap"? Or is talk only cheap when it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of it?

You said Chavez needs "an American boogeyman (scapegoat) to blame his problems on, he doesn't care if his name is Bush or Obama."

He hasn't/didn't and instead says he wants to work with the next US president. It would appear "what's in a name" may be pertinent and your assertion that he needs a "boogeyman (scapegoat)" is a bit premature.

[reprehensor]

82. "Bring it on."

Gunboat diplomacy sure isn't going to fix anything down there.