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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:41 PM
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Poll question: Scott McClellan - Courageous or Cowardly?
How much chutzpah does it take to write a tell all book after you've resigned?

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:42 PM
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1. Coward
Always was, always will be.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:55 AM
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40. He's years too late to be dubbed "courageous" now.
When it would have made a difference, he was helping
sell everything we knew to be shit.

Tesha
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:44 PM
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2. Ask again after he's testified under oath to Congress
Then I may feel more lenient. As of right now, coward.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:56 PM
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11. DING DING DING! Magellan, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Wed May-28-08 06:05 PM by rocknation
Ask again after he's testified under oath to Congress...

Let's face it: he hasn't written anything that hasn't already been figured out via common knowledge, common sense or simply acknowledging the obvious. Telling his story in court is what would give it real meaning.

:headbang:
rocknation
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:01 PM
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14. There seem to be few who feel as we do
But I'm glad to be in your good company, rocknation.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:18 PM
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22.  REPUBLICANS ARE ALL COWARDLY FEARFUL PEOPLE
IT IS GENETIC :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:45 PM
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3. Courageous - he could have slinked off into the night but he didn't.
He could have written a book and continued the lies but he didn't. Therefore, courageous.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:32 PM
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26. "Not slinking away" is hardly the definition of "courage".
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:44 PM
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27. I only had two choices - I don't think he was a coward. I don't have
a "purist" attitude about people. If they eventually turn from the "dark side", I'll encourage them every time.
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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:36 PM
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36. It doesn't take courage to write a book for money:)
We should all know what this is about?

Is anything going to change with this book? I doubt it since it's nothing new.



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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:46 PM
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4. Both
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:53 PM
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8. or neither!
Mainly he is convenient and timely for us dems. and I like him for that, whatever he is!
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:49 PM
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5. Ambitious.
Is he getting paid off for his lies with a book deal just like most of DC?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:51 PM
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6. Other:
Worried about being indicted.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:52 PM
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7. I hate him way less now
I'll never stop hating Bushwack and Darth no matter how many kiss and tell books they write.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:54 PM
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9. I really can't decide
I feel that he's doing it for personal reasons, such as payback for being badly used by them(I think he didn't leave on the best of terms, which is why the bushies are running to the "disgruntled employee" angle), and also to sell books.

On the other hand, it would have been easy for him to just let it go, take some Think-tank sinecure payoff that could easily have been arranged for him, and just drink away any further pangs of conscience.

If he testifies truthfully before Congress, however, that will put my doubts about him to rest.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:55 PM
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10. How could this man have written a book?
He never recalled anything while he was in the White House. I guess he got his memory back?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:59 PM
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12. His career is ruined might as well get some money out
of this and then History will judge him less harshly
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:01 PM
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13. Sheeeeit.
It's not like these revelations are only just coming to light. Writing this book three or four years ago would have been courageous.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:02 PM
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15. a war crimes whore trying to cash in on the deaths 100,ooo+ people nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:03 PM
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16. The Result is McCane's odds have been smashed....he is Toast
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:04 PM
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17. I think he's courageous because....
many who opposed the shrub are now dead. Many under quite mysterious circumstances.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:05 PM
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18. BIG coward
This asshole doesn't know anything now that he didn't know when he was telling the administration's lies for them.

It's convenient for him to come clean now, since he's no longer obligated to Bush and he can make a shitload of money telling the story, too.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:05 PM
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19. Greedy
Just like the rest of the neocons.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:07 PM
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20. The time was right for him to be courageous. It was safe.
Which is hardly courageous at all.

Did he know these things when it would have been perilous for him to speak? Only He knows.

As stated above, if he gets all this out under oath, these questions may not matter at all.

There's a hope to cling to.

Take the oath Scotty, and put these criminals on notice, and on trial.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:10 PM
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21. Judging from the reactions from the MSM and the White House, I'd have to go with courageous.
eom
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:20 PM
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23. Glad he's come out...about all the bullshit! Hope it sticks to McSame's monkey ass!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:24 PM
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24. Neither
He left a crappy job and was lucky enough to be in a position to get even with the assholes he worked with in a very public and profitable way.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:31 PM
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25. How can anybody say "courageous"?! THAT would have been if he'd have QUIT AND TOLD.
NOT waited to make money from a BOOK, four thousand American DEATHS LATER.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:00 PM
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28. Soonly Departed..... Future Airline Accident Victim
Drowning Victim with a glass of water,
hunting accident victim in a movie theater,
heart attack victim after heart removed
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:27 PM
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29. McClellan is exposing known torturers.
He knows the BFEE are capable of ordering anything done to anybody without remorse.

Courageous.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:52 PM
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30. Not a coward, but a greedy conniving cowardly weasle.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:24 PM
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32. Not a coward, but cowardly.
Interesting.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:47 AM
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41. "greedy conniving coward weasle" just didn't sound right usage wise, so I went with cowardly.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:09 PM
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31. As I've posted elsewhere:
I think the (justifiable) anger here at Republicans in general and the administration in particular blinds some people to the humanity of Republicans.

Now the leadership is, without a doubt, a bunch of sociopaths, whose only claim to "humanity" might be the particulars of their DNA. And a large segment of the staff are ideological fanatics who may or may not have remnants of a conscience, but whatever remnants they do have are buried under their fanaticism.

But there is a third type of Republican out there. Republican culture puts a great emphasis on loyalty (something you don't see in Democratic culture). Scott McClellan's family has ties to the Bush family going back generations. Scott seems to me to be someone who grew up in a Republican "bubble", someone who has a conscience, who isn't an ideologue, but who felt the family and cultural burden of loyalty, and someone who was, frankly, naive.

I think for quite some time he was caught in the conflict between the value of loyalty and the value of honesty. That, I think, was why he looked like such a terrible liar. Sociopaths are master liars. People with consciences who are torn between two values are especially awful liars.

Now I don't think he's telling all the truth, because I don't think he himself has broken loose enough to see all the truth. But I welcome his first steps into the light. You know -- and he has to know -- that he is going to be trashed up down and sideways by the Right. To do this, knowing that he's going to be a punching bag, knowing he's going to be seen as a traitor even by members of his own family, says a lot about his character.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:24 PM
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33. O gawd. DUers fell for this as easily as they fell for Politico.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:27 PM
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34. I really expected the results of this post to be a lot closer. NT
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:45 PM
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35. Momma's boy sees the lawsuits coming and is out to save his ass. I say it again,
McClellan has blood on his hands that will NEVER wash off. Better to be a witness for the prosecution than a defendant.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:58 PM
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37. Right...isn't it a felony to lie to the government (Congress)?
Edited on Wed May-28-08 11:58 PM by mac2
They do take an oath of office. McClellan you can't skinny out of the lies you told the people for Bush and get away with it.

And profit.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:08 AM
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38. Scotty is taking care of Scotty. nt
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:34 AM
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39. was a coward and at best living with guilt
and felt the need to tell the truth.

but not courageous at all. and i'm surprised by this poll.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:16 AM
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42. Who cares? Cody and Brianna are discussing media manipulation at the water cooler now
and that's a good thing.
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