I thought the NAFTA Superhighway was fake!

[redqueen]

http://www.nascocorridor.com/naipn/index.html

:wtf:

[TomInTib]

1. There have been quite a few folks here who deny it.

But it is going to happen.

[lovuian]

38. I've seen it Texans know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBV3vEglTrQ

people up at Austin have a big highway going no where and want to know whose paying for this

[Why Syzygy]

2. oh yeah .. farmers in Texas are already facing evictions.

[redqueen]

4. Yeah... I knew the TTC wasn't fake... but I took the comforting words

of those who swore up and down that this thing wasn't gonna happen...

Damnitall. x(

[bhikkhu]

49. And McCain is where on this?

I will do some hunting, but does anybody know?

[bhikkhu]

64. BINGO - McCain tied to TTC-69 Lobbyists!

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:2KCOKrzdB5wJ:satollparty.com/post/+mccain+ttc+69&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Hopefully that link will work - the other on Google is a subscription only WSJ piece.

93% of Texans oppose this road, and the whole issue is non-partisan. If I understand the whole noxious story, it is a huge private toll-road, to be built on property taken via the government's right of eminent domain, and operated by and for the benefit of multi-national corps. Sounds like something McCain would be in on....

[redqueen]

78. Thanks!

This will help him a lot in TX I think.

And by help, I mean not help. :P

[wildbilln864]

3. it's a conspiracy theory...

send it to the dungeon! :sarcasm:
Seriously though, k&r.

[Subdivisions]

13. Of course it's going to happen. Prolly NAU too. You know,

I was watching a lecture last night given on the 9/11 attack by David Ray Griffin and he said something that makes a lot of sense.

He said (paraphrasing) "The government's official version of what happened on 9/11 was the FIRST 9/11 conspiracy theory."

People view the NAU, the REAL story of 9/11, and the Nafta Superhighway as "conspiracy theories". Well, yes, by definition, those are all conspiracies. A conspiracy is "a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose".

For 9/11 those conspirators included the likes of Dick Cheney, George Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, the Neocons, and PNAC, among others.

For the NAU, the conspirators are US President George Bush, el Presidente de Mexico Felipe Calderón, and the Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper, among others.

For the Nafta Superhighway, the conspirators are NASCO, among others.

[Why Syzygy]

19. Don't forget Bill Clinton's culpability in the scheme.

[Perry Logan]

73. Obligatory Anti-Clinton Turd.

[Why Syzygy]

75. Bitter Fruit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTYsr7TQch4
Perry Logan rants.

[Selatius]

5. Well, obviously, if there's a shitload of money to be made, of course cities would sign on.

How much more money would flow through a place like Kansas City if it became a continental hub for the movement of goods up and down the continent??? It would be an absolute moneymaker for such cities. If money was the name of the game, it would be foolish for these cities to fight such a proposal. The money would be too good to give up.

[redqueen]

6. Yeahbut... at least down here... that's part of the reason some cities

opposed it. (Like Frisco, IIRC)

Not many off/onramps, cause it's s'posed to be for commerce I guess.

GRR!

[Why Syzygy]

7. Personally

I think it has a drug network connection. But that's just my own crazy theory.

I wonder what it will be like living in the United Highways of North America? ugh

[redqueen]

9. I wonder why we have $$$ for this but none for infrastructure.

Kidding... I know why. ANYTHING to benefit corporations... NOTHING to benefit people.

Bastards. :mad:

[Why Syzygy]

18. I think the TTC is privately funded?

I haven't really kept up with the issue, but it's in the local news enough to be familiar. Plus I opposed NAFTA along with Ross Perot in 1992. I know what to expect.

I take it you're in Texas? Frisco is North Central. A lot of the roads around here are going private and competing with the state for funds.

[redqueen]

26. Yup... I'm in Frisco.

Yeah... that's how it started... with promises to use private funds.

Then they went begging for public funds.

They probably still swear up and down that any public funding will be minimal.

Yeah, sure.

[ColbertWatcher]

34. Privately funded noise for the public...

...but in private there are more than likely subsidies and other public funds to "help".

This is another GOP grande scheme to back up their economic ideology they are forcing on an unsuspecting people; remember Chile?

[Why Syzygy]

41. The latest I read

on a new toll road here, is a complex maze of financial arrangements. There are stipends based on speed limits and amount of traffic. If the toll road suffers, the public transportation pays for it. If the public transportation does better than the toll, they are penalized. It's a competition. Of course they will both be trying to maximize their profits. I find it really troubling that speed limits will be based on money earning potential rather than public safety.

[ColbertWatcher]

43. "a complex maze of financial arrangements."

FSM, why does that remind me of the mortgage crap going on right now?

[oxbow]

36. I think a lot of foreign co.'s are ponying up the dough.

Mexican companies, and those that would benefit from their imports here. who knew?

[wildbilln864]

21. Hey I didn't consider that...

but it's very possible when thinking about all that Hopsicker has reported on. :think:

[Mnemosyne]

45. I would imagine BFEE are involved somehow, especially if it involves

narcotics.

More sickening each day it seems.

Happy to not be called tin-foiler on this one anymore, eh? :hi:

[ColbertWatcher]

33. Don't forget what a Mexico/Texas superport does to the US's largest port. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. Oh it isn't fake

They are building ports here. We are halfway between Mexico and Canada.

[RB TexLa]

10. Infrastructure to better connect our continent. Good that it's not fake.

[redqueen]

11. Uh... really?

I would think repairing already existing roads and bridges would be a better use of the money. Considering how they're falling apart, and are a danger to the public.

Duh.

[RB TexLa]

15. Last I checked, I-35 does exist.

[redqueen]

16. Newsflash: the TTC ain't 35. (nt)

[RB TexLa]

17. True, but a similar route.

[Subdivisions]

12. Good for those people whose land and dreams are

siezed to make way for it?

[RB TexLa]

14. I had a house and land taken last year for a highway, it happens.

They bought another house for the one they took.

[bhikkhu]

23. Europe is connected by rail - its much more efficient. n/t

[RB TexLa]

25. Plans I've seen for TCC at one point had high speed rail in it.

[ColbertWatcher]

35. From what I remember it was to include several modes of transport. n/t

[bhikkhu]

48. Thanks - looked up from one site:

"Ten vehicle lanes, six rail tracks, utilities, pipelines, state concessions (gas stations, restaurants, motels, stores, warehouses, etc.) all on 4,000 miles of toll roads that will consume more than one-half million acres of Texas".

Looking at our long-term energy situation, it is hard to see how this will not collapse into a collossal waste of resources for infrastructure.

http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/index.htm

[ColbertWatcher]

51. Ah, yes...

...according to Texas politicians, America cannot survive without Texas products and services.

We can't even collect our trash without them!

[bhikkhu]

52. I think it will mostly be South of the Border products, on their way to Canada.

But perhaps they'll stop for chips and sodas on their way through. Nothing like a huge interstate to build local economies!

[ColbertWatcher]

54. Who's to say.

If they are going to invest all that money, I doubt they planned on limiting it to just Mexican products.

[KSinTX]

69. We won't be the beneficiaries

http://www.newswithviews.com/Spivey/phyllis3.htm

[bhikkhu]

20. Rail Transportation is 4-5 times as fuel efficient.

Just in time, as the price of oil goes through the roof, we plan to build the biggest most expensive superhighway across the continent. If anyone wonders years from now "why didn't we do something?" well, there's where the money went; down one big useless hole.

The geniuses we have in charge....

[redqueen]

24. THANK YOU!

But who'd cash in on the profiteering then?

[NuttyFluffers]

71. the same ol': construction, oil, drug trafficking, private security, etc.

and all of it leeching off of gov't subsidies, grants, and write-offs. yes Virginia, it's going to be our expense; privatized profits, socialized losses.

whee! :party: i'm going to name the road "Paved with Good Intentions"!

[redqueen]

79. "whee! i'm going to name the road "Paved with Good Intentions"!"

:rofl:

[madokie]

22. and that proves WHAT, I ask

[dmr]

27. If you google, you'll find where local newspapers are being bought out

to keep locals from any information on it. They deny it, but those who have a strong monetary interest in the Super-highway have purchased those newspapers.

I know I have some files saved on my hard-drive on it. I'll check later for it if you're interested, but right now dinner's ready (and my boyfriend, Keith, will be on soon - who puzzled me about his lack of knowledge on this).

[dmr]

39. Links: The NAFTA Superhighway & Toll Road Giant Buys Newspapers to Silence Critics

My blood boils over this - why the silence? Who in this country is benefiting by selling us out? If they aren't selling us out, then why the express need for silence? I really want to know. I don't watch that guy on CNN (can't remember his name) who talks about this, and not sure what he's been saying, but I don't know why Keith Olbermann says it's not true, unless he's been told it's off-limits. I just wish we had an honest and transparent democracy. How can the government sell what is the peoples without telling or asking the people? Rhetorical question ....

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes

The NAFTA Superhighway
By Christopher Hayes

August 9, 2007
When completed, the highway will run from Mexico City to Toronto, slicing through the heartland like a dagger sunk into a heifer at the loins and pulled clean to the throat. It will be four football fields wide, an expansive gully of concrete, noise and exhaust, swelled with cars, trucks, trains and pipelines carrying water, wires and God knows what else. Through towns large and small it will run, plowing under family farms, subdevelopments, acres of wilderness. Equipped with high-tech electronic customs monitors, freight from China, offloaded into nonunionized Mexican ports, will travel north, crossing the border with nary a speed bump, bound for Kansas City, where the cheap goods manufactured in booming Far East factories will embark on the final leg of their journey into the nation's Wal-Marts.

And this NAFTA Superhighway, as it is called, is just the beginning, the first stage of a long, silent coup aimed at supplanting the sovereign United States with a multinational North American Union.

Even as this plot unfolds in slow motion, the mainstream media are silent; politicians are in denial. Yet word is getting out. Like samizdat, info about the highway has circulated in niche media platforms old and new, on right-wing websites like WorldNetDaily, in the pages of low-circulation magazines like the John Birch Society's The New American and increasingly on the letters to the editor page of local newspapers.

"Construction of the NAFTA highway from Laredo, Texas to Canada is now underway," read a letter in the February 13 San Gabriel Valley Tribune. "Spain will own most of the toll roads that connect to the superhighway. Mexico will own and operate the Kansas City Smart Port. And NAFTA tribunal, not the U.S. Supreme Court, will have the final word in trade disputes. Will the last person please take down the flag?" There are many more where that came from. "The superhighway has the potential to cripple the West Coast economy, as well as posing an enormous security breach at our border," read a letter from the January 7 San Francisco Chronicle. "So far, there has been no public participation or debate on this important issue. Public participation and debate must begin now."

More at link ...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1570.asp

Toll Road Giant Buys Newspapers to Silence Critics

Critics charge that the Macquarie purchase of American Consolidated Media is designed to silence critics of a Texas toll road project.

Trans Texas CorridorAustralian toll road giant Macquarie agreed Wednesday to purchase forty local newspapers, primarily in Texas and Oklahoma, for $80 million. Macquarie Bank is Australia's largest capital raising firm and has invested billions in purchasing roads in the US, Canada and UK. Most recently the company joined with Cintra Concesiones of Spain in a controversial 75-year lease of the 157-mile Indiana Toll Road.

- snip -

"The newspapers are the main communication tool for many of the rural Texan communities, with many citizens at risk of losing their homes and farms through eminent domain," Costello wrote.

Many of the small papers purchased, most have a circulation of 5000 or less, have been critical of the Trans-Texas Corridor. An article in the Bonham Journal for example, states, "The toll roads will be under control of foreign investors, which more than frustrates Texans."

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2007/Jan07/012207/012607-01.htm

Macquarie buys 40 Texas newspapers

Macquarie Media Group has purchased 40 community newspapers in Texas for $80 million, according to Editor and Publisher.

Critics worry that a control of media by companies that own toll roads may lead to a spin of information. Many of the small papers included in the purchase have been critical of the privatization of U.S. highways, according to the Bonham Journal, an affected newspaper that has been particularly critical of the Trans-Texas Corridor.

"The toll roads will be under control of foreign investors, which more than frustrates Texans," the newspaper reported in November 2006.

Truckers know the Macquarie company name from the toll-road subsidiary called Macquarie Infrastructure Group - which is part of an expanding web of investment groups spun by the parent company, Macquarie Bank.

The company arm that invests in media purchased the newspapers Wednesday from American Consolidated Media and its principal investor, Halyard Capital, according to the reports.

American Consolidated Media's group of 40 community newspapers was founded by Dallas Morning News President Jeremy L. Halbreich, who was quoted in Editor and Publisher as saying Macquarie was interested in "expanding the platform (it) already (has) in the local community papers segment."

The papers are mainly small, community papers averaging 5,000 in circulation.

Critics of the purchase and of the buyer say the deal could be an attempt to control information about privatized toll roads in small Texas communities.

The Lone Star State has a number of controversial proposals making their own headlines.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has his sights on the proposed Trans-Texas Corridor consisting of a quarter-mile-wide swath of truck-only toll lanes, railway lines and multiple traffic lanes from the Mexican border to the Oklahoma state line.

Although Macquarie is not involved in that corridor proposal, its partner in the Indiana Toll Road lease is - Cintra Concessiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte S.A. of Spain.

Together, Cintra and Macquarie also operate the Chicago Skyway in Illinios and the 407 Express Toll Route in Ontario, Canada.

Macquarie Infrastructure Group operates the privately built South Bay Expressway in San Diego and the Dulles Greenway in Virginia near Washington, DC.

More at link ...

[kittykitty]

62. Nobody is silencing Lou Dobbs. nt

[dmr]

63. Ah, that's his name. I didn't say they were silencing him

The articles in my post above discuss the gov't and media silence on this issue. I haven't watched Dobb's show in a very long time. I'll try to tune in and see what he is saying.

[kittykitty]

65. Transcript from Lou Dobbs tonight (why is no one silencing him?) - Bill Tucker Reports

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0805/28/ldt.01.html

BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There is no NAFTA superhighway. Not officially. Some even call it the invention of the far right wing, but some politicians find the denials almost laughable.

REP. TED POE (R), TEXAS: The folks in Washington are in denial about the super NAFTA highway or whatever you want to call it. It's the concept that there will be a highway, free trade from Mexico through the central part of the United States all the way to Canada.

TUCKER: In Texas planning a development is under way for what are officially called transportation corridors. The Trans Texas Corridor, I-69, a combination of rail lines, utility lines, car and truck lanes, plan to be as wide as three football fields laid end to end.

It will be financed by a private foreign company. Most likely Spain Centra (ph) who will then own the lease on the road and the revenue generated by the tolls. Texas may use eminent domain to lay claim to some of the land needed to build it. For an imaginary road there's a lot of money and effort involved in some very real opposition.

UNIDENTIFIED GROUP: (INAUDIBLE) TERRI HALL, TEXASTURF.ORG: There's just no doubt that this is happening. We've been to the public hearings. We've seen the presentations. We've seen the documents. We waded through them and there's a whole lot more groups besides just ours. And we've got Farm Bureau, Sierra Club, a whole host of groups from the left and the right.

TUCKER: In Kansas a resolution opposing the superhighway overwhelmingly passed the State House.

JUDY MORRISON, KANSAS STATE LEGISLATURE: The documentation is there and some of it has been obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, so I think that when you read this it is very hard to believe.

TUCKER: The lawmakers concerned about the impact of increased traffic flowing into Kansas City where an intermodal center known as the Kansas City Smart Port is being developed to capitalize on flow of good from Mexico's Port of Lazaro Cardenas to the nation's heartland.

The Smart Port Web site says it offers quote, "the heart of a rail corridor spanning coast to coast across the U.S. and extending from Canada to Mexico, a NAFTA railway. And what drives it all? Imports, the U.S. Business and Industry Council, a business group, says in the past 10 years imports from and passing through Mexico rose by 326 percent, reaching almost $211 billion last year.

[eppur_se_muova]

84. This cries out for its own thread!

:applause:

[windoe]

28. And no one has a say in this?

Just barrel through all those farms & houses & neighborhoods, I'm sure they have plans to give good notice on this.

[and-justice-for-all]

29. well, one has to wonder why nothing credable...

has come up about the illegal immigration issue.

They do not want to do anything about the illegal border crossings because they are going to open the border anyway.

[OhioChick]

30. No....Not Fake..

The highway to hell.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. What this does is destroy the dock workers union in CA. Something Shrub tried to do

early in his tenure. The Teamsters get screwed too.

Cargo will be shipped into Mexico from China, and taken into the states by Mexican non-union truckers.

[ColbertWatcher]

37. That's the picture!

It also made me wonder if the Texas redistricting was influenced by the need to build this thing.

[Seedersandleechers]

32. Check this out

http://www.kcsmartport.com

[hunter]

40. Reminds me of the Tennessee Tombigbee Waterway somehow...

Except it is much, much bigger in every way.

I can't imagine any way this project could be viable, or that it could even be built with the rising costs of fuel and construction materials. So what's diesel cost now? It's well over five dollars a gallon where I live... How about asphalt? Or concrete?

U.S. truck traffic is going to be decreasing, not increasing.

A lot of money will change hands, a great big empty will be created, and the United States is going to look less and less like the first world nation it imagines itself to be.

[VP505]

53. "a great big empty will be created"

Kiss sovereignty good by as well.

[dmr]

56. Since this is foreign owned, they probably don't have to follow

any of the rules or pay the same fuel costs as a US trucker. They most likely will be able to negotiate with their supplier a price that benefits them very well.

All on US soil.

So long sovereign America.

[gateley]

59. It's not going to be US Traffic. Nor US Truckers. nt

[AzDar]

42. K & R...

:kick:

[dixiegrrrrl]

44. this should help explain it

all the info has been hidden in plain site....

links ( and maps)

http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/index.htm

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/aug06/06-08-23.html

http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
( from the Eagle Forum, so take a tums when you read it, but they do have their finger on what the Fueher is up to.)

the maps clearly show, and the story explains, China is building a deep water port in Mexico.
Goods from Asia will come thru Mexico, probably my Mex. drivers,
our union ports will go bust, the highway is a toll road, speculators are making a fortune from the land they bought ahead of time, "common" folks are losing their land.
And no one ion Congress seems to be any wiser.

[bhikkhu]

46. Thanks. Something from the first site:

"Ten vehicle lanes, six rail tracks, utilities, pipelines, state concessions (gas stations, restaurants, motels, stores, warehouses, etc.) all on 4,000 miles of toll roads that will consume more than one-half million acres of Texas".

Its hard to see how this doesn't wind up a huge fiasco...looking at our energy situation.

[Hannah Bell]

101. Since there's big money behind it, presumably with good

intelligence sources, perhaps "our" energy situation is not as reported?

[slipslidingaway]

47. NAFTA Trade Corridors & State Truck Standards

Alberta Ministry of Transportation \ Ministry of Infrastructure

http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/2760.htm


"Legislative opposition

In September 2006, U.S. Representative Virgil Goode proposed with six co-sponsors non-binding House Concurrent Resolution 487, which specifically outlined opposition to a North American Union or a NAFTA Superhighway as a threat to U.S. sovereignty. The bill never left committee.<25> The same resolution was reintroduced by Goode in January 2007 for the 110th Congress as House Concurrent Resolution 40, this time with forty-three cosponsors,<26> including 2008 Republican presidential candidates Duncan Hunter, Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo, who have all expressed opposition to a North American Union during their campaigns.<27><28><29>"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union#Legislative_opposition

[RB TexLa]

50. A highway is a threat to a nation's sovereignty.

:rofl:


I guess after all sovereignty was striped of France and england after the "chunnel" was built. :crazy:

[bhikkhu]

57. Sovreignty isn't the big issue. We need a sane energy policy

We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. We need to loosen the stranglehold multi-national corps have on our domestic policies. We need trade policies that encourage our manufacturing sectors. We need a better control of our borders, We need to transition to more efficient modes of transportation.

I have read about this super-highway off and on for years, and I am against it because it is a massive step in the wrong direction, and is the wrong solution to every one of the problems listed above. As far as energy and transportation goes, we are at a point of crises, and the resources we have available to move us in the right direction are limited. Spending them on a mega project like this is to limit or stall every other opportunity.

This is my reasoning, in brief.

[slipslidingaway]

58. And if it is more than just a highway...

:shrug:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=hc110-40

"Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada.

Whereas the United States Departments of State, Commerce, and Homeland Security participated in the formation of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) on March 23, 2005, representing a tri-lateral agreement between the United States, Canada, and Mexico designed, among other things, to facilitate common regulatory schemes between these countries;

Whereas reports issued by the SPP indicate that it has implemented regulatory changes among the three countries that circumvent United States trade, transportation, homeland security, and border security functions and that the SPP will continue to do so in the future;

Whereas the actions taken by the SPP to coordinate border security by eliminating obstacles to migration between Mexico and the United States actually makes the United States-Mexico border less secure because Mexico is the primary source country of illegal immigrants into the United States;

Whereas according to the Department of Commerce, United States trade deficits with Mexico and Canada have significantly increased since the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA);

Whereas the economic and physical security of the United States is impaired by the potential loss of control of its borders attendant to the full operation of NAFTA and the SPP;

Whereas the regulatory and border security changes implemented and proposed by the SPP violate and threaten United States sovereignty;

Whereas a NAFTA Superhighway System from the west coast of Mexico through the United States and into Canada has been suggested as part of a North American Union to facilitate trade between the SPP countries;

Whereas the State of Texas has already begun planning of the Trans-Texas Corridor, a major multi-modal transportation project beginning at the United States-Mexico border, which would serve as an initial section of a NAFTA Superhighway System;

Whereas it could be particularly difficult for Americans to collect insurance from Mexican companies which employ Mexican drivers involved in accidents in the United States, which would likely increase the insurance rates for American drivers;

Whereas future unrestricted foreign trucking into the United States can pose a safety hazard due to inadequate maintenance and inspection, and can act collaterally as a conduit for the entry into the United States of illegal drugs, illegal human smuggling, and terrorist activities; and

Whereas a NAFTA Superhighway System would likely include funds from foreign consortiums and be controlled by foreign management, which threatens the sovereignty of the United States: Now, therefore, be it


Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That--

(1) the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System;

(2) the United States should not allow the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) to implement further regulations that would create a North American Union with Mexico and Canada; and

(3) the President of the United States should indicate strong opposition to these acts or any other proposals that threaten the sovereignty of the United States."

[gateley]

60. Bushco, et al, are going ahead with it anyway.

And I heard the "owner" of the highway is a foreign country -- I THINK Spain, but I don't remember for sure.

This will allow cargo to BYPASS the US and come into Mexican ports, and enter the US via Mexico.

It is the beginning of the NAU -- and if you don't think so, ask those in Europe what they were told how they could benefit from an EU, and what they actually have now.

People are still scoffing at the Amero -- just wait.

[slipslidingaway]

66. Bush says it is not true, that settles it for me :) Wonder what Clinton

and Obama have said on the issue, if nothing else it seems as if this should be covered more by the media. I know Kucinich has spoken out about the road in Texas.

Thanks I saw the Marcy Kaptur video.


A 'Superhighway' to Nowhere
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/a_superhighway_to_nowhere.html


Found the following links in the comment section of the WP blog.

doublespeak 101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br31mdP8-Ug


KC SmartPort is the authority on transportation and logistics opportunities in the 18-county, bi-state Kansas City region.

http://www.kcsmartport.com/

[TeeYiYi]

82. You make a good point . . .

France lost its financial sovereignty when it adopted the EURO. Britain is at a crossroads regarding autonomy and the United Nations Security Council (UNSC).

The North American Union is no longer an if, but a when. Modeled after the EU, it is the ultimate goal of the Trans-Texas Corridor. The collapse of the dollar will be the swan song. US debt has long since been purchased by international interests. The TTC is a global trade effort - NAFTA extreme.

TYY

[slipslidingaway]

55. Video -- Rep. Marcy Kaptur on NAFTA Superhighway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TShPYA-OuPs

posted here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x138718

[kittykitty]

61. Lou Dobbs did a major segment on it tonight. He is, of course, outraged. at stupid bush

They showed maps, and protest groups in Texas. It's supposed to be 3 football fields wide.

[bhikkhu]

67. And McCain has lobbyist links to this crap!

"McCain tied to lobbyist for Trans Texas Corridor, toll roads
Written by Terri Hall
Thursday, 22 May 2008

The Loeffler Tuggey (et al) law firm represents Zachry Construction, the major toll road player in Texas who partnered with Cintra to win the development rights to the Trans Texas Corridor and landed the first privatized toll road contract in Texas for SH 130. So the connection to McCain is clear just as it was with Giuliani before him.

The McCain campaign lost another top aide Sunday over ties to lobbying, the fourth such departure in less than two weeks.

Thomas Loeffler, a former U.S. representative from Texas, resigned from his post as a national finance committee and campaign co-chairman, a campaign spokesman confirmed Sunday.

Mr. Loeffler is the founder of The Loeffler Group, a San Antonio lobbying shop that has worked on behalf of AT&T Inc. and Southwest Airlines Co. as well as foreign interests, including Saudi Arabia"



http://texasturf.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=461&Itemid=2

[gateley]

70. Dobbs is right on some issues -

I read his book about this administration killing the middle class.

It's unfortunate he became such a hot head regarding immigration - people will be more inclined to dismiss everything he says.

[KSinTX]

68. It's just that Lou Dobbs is a blowhard

He talks without facts which is why he got slapped down on his own show about it.

There is indeed a plan for one. Texas is already trying to put its portion into play but is meeting resistance, thank God. Talk about a propoganda campaign. They want to take existing, taxpayer roads turn them into toll roads then give them to a private (foreign) company to "manage" for mega millions. They're looking to widen the I-35 corridor state by state.

[TexasObserver]

72. It's for real, and has been in the plans for a long time.

There are official sites in Texas that address it.



Notice the logo at this site.

http://www.i69texas.org/

TOP I-69 FACTS
I-69 is the combination of two federally designated High Priority Corridors. Corridor 18 extends from Michigan and Illinois south through Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana and terminating at the terminus of U.S. 77 and U.S. 281 in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. Corridor 20 is designated as U.S. 59 from Texarkana to Laredo.
I-69 is expected to create more than 27,000 new jobs by 2025, resulting in $11.0 billion in additional wages and $19 billion in additional value.
I-69 is the shortest route between the industrial northeast and the South Texas border with Mexico.
All totaled I-69 corridor states and the states using I-69 and its border crossing ports account for nearly 63% of total U.S. truck-borne trade with North America. No other highway comes close to matching I-69 for trade volume and service efficiency.
I-69 border crossing ports from Laredo to Brownsville, Texas handle 49.0% of total U.S. truck-borne trade with Mexico.
I-69 border crossings in Michigan handle nearly 47% of U.S. truck-borne trade with Canada.
I-69 corridor states account for 51% of U.S. truck-borne trade with Mexico.
22 of the nation’s top 25 seaports are directly connected to I-69.
16 of the nation’s top air cargo airports are readily accessible by I-69.
I-69 corridor states have over 9.0 million people living below the poverty level in 2000.. I-69 will spur economic development in these regions.
The I-69 corridor goes through 2 of the nations Rural Empowerment Zones in the Rio Grande Valley (Texas) and the Mid-Delta (Mississippi).

[Perry Logan]

74. Guys--this is strictly for tin hats only.

[TheWatcher]

76. No it isn't.

If you don't wish to discuss it, you don't have to.

After all it doesn't exist, it isn't real, it's all kookery, so why do you care?

This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Denial Underground.

Please, Perry, by all means, go back to the comfortable Reality you can deal with.

We'll take it from here.

*Pats You On The Head*

[ogsbee]

77. No, the magazine The Nation is a fake

Professional paid leftists, pied pipers of acceptable dissent.

http://www.thenation.com/bletters/20070827/hayes

[redqueen]

80. Hi ogsbee... welcome to DU!

:hi:

I live in TX so I've been protesting the TTC for years now.

Had heard reassurances that the border to border thing wasn't anything to be concerned about, so just occupied myself with the TTC.

I'll go ahead and branch out now with fostering the awareness/opposition in the other states affected. :)

[ogsbee]

81. Thanks and thanks for the post

The NAFTA Superhighway is simply the tip of the iceberg. The anti-patriots are in ascendancy, selling out the American people. IMO, the gameplan of the corporo-fascists is the destruction of the American middle class (the American way of life really). If we're so poor that we'll fight for scraps from the masters' tables we'll be the perfect workforce and no political foil to their greed.

If we have to ally ourselves with the Eagle Forum folks, so be it. Let's call them up, form a united front.

[windoe]

83. What other state but Texas would open up

for such an invasion. Ironic isn't it? Because this is an invasion as I see it. It wouldn't happen in NYC, SF, Baltimore or any other port. And look what happened to NO. How on Earth is our economy supposed to survive this? This cannot be allowed to happen or our country as we know it will be assaulted on every front. As I see it the * have sold us out to the highest bidder. They sold America. Man I hope the next administration listens to the voice of the people again and we can stop this.
Americans have to be self sufficient again and form a sustainable economy, and unless I am dead wrong, this highway is the antithesis of self sufficiency.

[eppur_se_muova]

87. Ironically, TX insists on sovereignty over all its riverbeds ...

this was a condition of the admission of the Republic of Texas into the Union, that TX would retain control of its riverbeds (the intention being that TX ranchers could never see their water rights hindered by any Federal actions). Got to be a problem when LBJ wanted the US to build a dam to bring electrification to rural TX -- US Gov't wasn't about to spend $$$$$ to build a huge dam on anything but Federal property. I forgot how it worked out, but I think it ended with a typical LBJ bamboozle, and the US putting its dam on TX property.

(This was in one of Caro's books, second volume, IIRC.)

[dixiegrrrrl]

91. And Lyndon's forcing that dam to be built

is what gave his forever long time buddies their start...Kellog, Brown and Root.
they would have gone bust if he had not managed to outfox the restrictions to building that dam..

( I read Caro with great interest)

[RB TexLa]

88. What is wrong with our economy and sufficiency being integrated with our neighbors and the world?

Maybe you need to think just a little less in terms of me and a little more we.

[windoe]

96. Global consciousness is fine

but this road seems to be part of a corporate agenda, and the corps have such a poor humanitarian, selfish and dangerous agenda--at least so far.

[underpants]

85. How am *I* going to get me my Cheetohs????

:shrug:

[LSK]

86. what EXACTLY is the NAFTA Superhighway????

Shouldnt that be established 1st?

Yes we have highways running from Mexico to Canada. What are the rules of how trucks pass through the borders of the countries? Isnt that a more valid question?

What exactly is the issue here? What is the current laws?

[End Of The Road]

89. I think it will be obsolete long before it's completed, but

not before a handful of people generously line their pockets.

[ieoeja]

90. Well that map is wrong.

They've already begun work on the Indiana leg.

Actually this is the map of the existing highway network. I-69 is supposed to provide a more direct route between Mexico and Detroit.

[Ferd Berfle]

92. A Rose By any other name........

They are playing semantics

The scary thing here kids is that LOU DOBBS IS CORRECT! :banghead:

[hunter]

93. It's the Superconducting Supercollider of all Highways.

Except the Superconducting Supercollider might have worked as advertised.

Parts of this superhighway are sure to be completed in multiple discontinuous sections linked by dirt roads littered with pot holes big enough to swallow a car.

Isolated sections will become the airports of sophisticated smuggling operations, transporting every kind of air cargo from drugs, to weapons, to people.

Outside investors will be flensed of their cash by insider trading.

An appropriate logo for the highway would be the Enron "E" turned to make an "M" with the letters "NASCO" replacing "ENRON."

As a tool for busting unions (a dream of the rabid right) the highway corridor will be an utter failure, and may even result in the unionization of the laborers recruited to build it, and the drivers expected to drive on it because somewhere today amidst all those non-union drivers and laborers, there's a kid thinking about César Chávez who will rip this right wing fantasy to pieces.

[Michigan-Arizona]

94. Kanas City Custom's Port Considered Mexican Soil?

I'm not sure how reliable these couple of site's are & I'm sure some of you will let me know(grin). I'm kind of new at this & I hope these link's will work.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50918
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2006/aug06/06-08-09.html

[hunter]

97. I think they are being played for fools in Kansas City.

All this sovereignty blather is viral marketing tool for a great stinking load of flimflammery.

Libertarians and "family values" Republicans are easy marks for this kind of thing. They'll buy into it precisely because it has a smell of corruption and easy money about it, for the same reason they'll vote for venal idiots like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, or fall for the charms of closeted gay congressmen and mega-church preachers.

They don't recognize the money is flowing out of their pockets and not into their pockets until the rent comes due and the con men have left town.

[lunatica]

95. It gives terrorists a great target

Way to go! Make sure everything of importance is trucked along that road! The terrorists can just camp out and wait for the target to come to them, and Blackwater is gonna have to get much bigger if it's gonna guard that highway.

[RB TexLa]

98. Good God at the links used in this thread. How long before an Aryan nation website is linked.

[BeHereNow]

99. In a global economy there are no borders...

No conspiracy here-
Just the geographical reality manifesting
the economic one.

Paul Volcker, then president of the Trilateral Commission,
made the intention for the destruction of the middle class
very clear back in the 1980's.
The topic was along the lines of the NWO and how
the multi nationals would benefit and what the
conditions would be.

He said, paraphrasing, although I have
posted the exact quote here before-

In order for this to succeed, the standard of living
for the average American will have to decrease
significantly.

The rising cost of living we are seeing?
Just another move in the shell game of
the transfer of wealth from the many
to the fewest ever.
That has been the plan for many years.

BHN

[Generator]

100. UH OH

Someone's been watching Lou Dobbs. STOP IT!