I agree with the White House comments about McClellan's book

[question everything]

If he did not like what was happening there, why did he stick around?

[Kingofalldems]

1. Anyone who spoke up was fired

That's the only thing I can think of.

[Mz Pip]

Why didn't he say something sooner?

Now he tells us. For all the good it will do.

[cayuga]

2. Doesn't look like he DID stick around.

[Winterblues]

28. Bingo....~....What a dumb question

If he had stuck around he would still be around..

[Virginia Dare]

40. They canned his ass.

he was the scapegoat for Scooter and Rove.

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. I'm glad you question everything by taking the White House opinion

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[question everything]

6. As opposed to follow DU Groupthink? (nt)

[City Lights]

9. I'll take DU Groupthink over WH Groupthink (lie) any day of the week.

:P

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. Which is What?...... Give me your Whitehouse spin on that

what is the the Groupthink on Scotty on DU?


You agree with the White House, you said it... Talk about Group think!

[CJCRANE]

23. Check out the "General Discussion: Groupthink" forum.

You'll find everything you need to know and say there.

;)

[question everything]

32. Not on Scotty. But plenty of Groupthink on DU

Chavez, Sheehan, Hamas and Heabollah are saints

Clinton (both) Pelosi, Lieberman (even when was still a Democrat, but not Harold Ford Jr.) Israel are satan.

No questions are asked, no person or idea being questioned. Like Bush - yes - on DU it is you are either with us or against us.

Thankfully, not everyone and, on occasions, some adult would post a topic about this issue.

Not everyone who hates Bush is our friend, and not everyone who loves Bush is our enemy. But this is the Groupthink on DU.

If you cannot find the threads like that you either do not spend much time on DU, or you posses a tunnel vision - just as they do in freeperville.

[LanternWaste]

39. Common ideas of progressivism = groupthink

Would you define the average DU'ers opposition to Fascism as group think? If not, what's the relevant difference between that and the examples you've listed? :shrug:

Many people can share (or oppose) in tandem numerous ideas that appear (at least on the face) the same, much like the example I cited.

To me, that illustrates a commonality of our ideals and our shared dreams of what it may or may not take to fix our world.

I personally perceive all of that less as groupthink and more simply a shared idealism. But, as that doesn't come across as anti-authoritarian, cynical or any of the other trendy, marketed (and shared) X-File philosophies of the bumper sticker crowd, I may be a minority in my position.

And just to ease your concern-- I'm neither for you nor against you...

[Bluebear]

12. So by your logic, you should be leaving DU if you don't agree with our "groupthink"?

[cayuga]

14. I haven't been here long.

But the last thing I see is DU Groupthink. I see Democrats with the same viewpoints, Democrats with differing viewpoints, and interlopers who inject ridiculous statements into the discussions to create divisiveness

[I Have A Dream]

27. Welcome to DU, not_this_time!

I hope that you stick around. :hi:

[question everything]

33. Presented for your consideration

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6130206

(not mine)

[CJCRANE]

16. Over 3000

individual regular posters..

vs

a small cabal of neocons.

I know which one I'd accuse of "groupthink".

[DainBramaged]

41. So you have a problem with the way DU members think about things in general?

:think: :think: :think: :think: :think: :eyes:

[Andy823]

4. Probably the same reason

So many keep sticking with Hillary no matter what kind of lies she tells, or what kind of comments she makes like the RFK "gaff", etc. It's called "blind" loyalty!

[Mountainman]

5. If he would have left back then we wouldn't even be talking about the lies today!

So he's gone way back when and then writes a book, who would have believed him besides us? It's having an effect now because bush's poll numbers are in the shitter.

[opihimoimoi]

8. Aloha guy//// re the Book...they trying to kill the messenger...Its the MESSAGE

what we gonna do with the message??? IMPEACH THE DUDES

[Mountainman]

26. Aloha, remember back in 2000 when we said this was the end of the right?

What was that board we were on where freepers came and we got the best of them?

[opihimoimoi]

29. I believe it was in 2001 that we were on the DNC Board...Recall the WALL? Spears?

Those days was fun...exciting too....

[Mountainman]

34. My memory is fading, it seems like so long ago.

[opihimoimoi]

36. 7 tears is a lifetime....

My Brain is going too...lol

[global1]

7. Can We Look At This From Another Perspective .....

if he left back then - we would never get the insight that Scotty has provided us in this book. I don't condone the fact that a lot of people died and if he spoke up sooner he might have prevented that. But knowing how *Co works - they would have discredited him anyway and still gone on with their plan.

At least now we have a kind of 'John Dean' look at the inner workings of *Co. I'm almost thinking that Scotty could have written a lot more - but stopped short.

I hope he does get called by Leahy and Conyers and I hope Scotty has the proof to put these people away for a long time. I just hope it happens before * has a chance to pardon the whole lot of them.

Maybe we'll even find out about the missing e-mails.

[angstlessk]

35. his voice would have amounted to NOTHING..NOTHING he would have been called UN AMERICAN A TRAITOR

sorry back then boosh had 70% approval ratings,...no one asked and no one told...and those who DID TELL ie Joe Wilson got quickly swiftboated and accused of being a liar and worse. I even believe the few defenestrations back in 2002/2003 in DC and the Middle East knew too much and were displeased with the administration.

[rucky]

11. Ambien. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. LOL..... Good one......

[magellan]

13. I thought the same thing

Even though much of what I've heard so far from his book is true.

With that one statement the WH has succeeded in turning the weight of evidence around on Scotty and put the truth in play again, much as I feared.

Is Scotty still a traitorous tool for this regime?

[Fleshdancer]

15. I can understand why he would stay

Imagine securing the position of Press Secretary for the President you worked for while he campaigned for the WH. McClellan was placed in a highly visible position and surrounded by powerful people he probably truly admired and believed in.

Eventually he DID leave. Now enough time has passed for him to get a full perspective of how things happened and he's pissed because now he sees how easily he was lied to and manipulated. This is the common reaction for people who escape toxic relationships whether they be personal or business related.

[Geek_Girl]

19. Interesting Perspective

But maybe I guess I'm more cynical. I think he just wants to distance himself as far as possible from the sinking ship.

[Fleshdancer]

25. I like to think I would too, but I honestly have no idea

There's a whole host of psychological issues at play here. The power play, the visibility, perhaps fear, and I assume a lot of self doubt on McClellan's part. I think he probably jumped ship when he finally realized what was going on. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Well he was a liar and now he wants to sell a book.

:shrug: And the bu$h maladministration doesn't gain any points by trying to discredit him now. Nice try, though.

[OwnedByFerrets]

20. I agree with NOTHING this administration says or does...nt

[Ilsa]

21. Maybe he quit to write a book before it became irrelevant. nt.

[Contrary1]

22. If he wasn't told the truth...

what was there to like or dislike? He did his job, and that was to hold press briefings on the info they gave him.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. .....

:popcorn:

[spanone]

30. wrong. this book IS the revelation.

[Wilber_Stool]

31. He gets a six figure

pay check for ostensibly doing nothing. Hell, I'd probably do it too.

[earth mom]

37. Who knows, Maybe Scotty stayed so he could get the goods on * & Co.

Wouldn't that just piss * & Co off? I love it! :rofl:

[LanternWaste]

38. It's a good job.

"why did he stick around?"

It's a good job-- imagine the contacts you make for your eventual post-government business opportunities. Pads one's resume really nicely, too.

I don't like all the things that are happening at my job-- I stick around...