Oroville Man Deported to Mexico After Living in U.S. Since He Was Seven

[The Straight Story]

Oroville Man Deported to Mexico After Living in U.S. Since He Was Seven

OROVILLE, CA - Jose Orozco had lived illegally in the United States since he was seven. He was educated here, paid taxes here, and was raising a family until he tried to file for immigrant status so he could pay taxes with his wife. That's when the U.S. government ordered him to leave the country.

Over the Memorial Day weekend, his family went to visit him for the first time since he was deported. "There's no words to explain it. You have tell your kids that you're going to go see Daddy, but he's not coming home with us. That's all they've known," said his wife, Angela Orozco.

She said the government decided her husband's case did not involve enough hardship to allow him to stay in the United States.

"Who says it's not enough? Who makes that decision?" asked Orozco's step-daughter Janea Barragan. "They want extreme hardship. But whose extreme hardship? Their's or ours?"

Orozco has now been stuck in Mexico for almost a month, with no way to return, even to visit. His wife said she has started to file another appeal with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, but that if worse comes to worse, she and her children may have to relocate to Mexico.

http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=42505

[glowing]

1. Shoot, I want to relocate to Mexico.

[Warpy]

2. Me, too, and I'm working toward that aim right now

This case points out the stupidity of our laws. People like Mr. Orozco should have their cases decided by a judge with brains, not some no tolerance INS flunky.

I'd like to see his path to a green card eased. I'd be opposed to granting him full citizenship because his parents broke the law when they brought him here, even though he had no say in the matter.

Years of hard work need to be rewarded. The guy has worked hard, kept out of trouble, started a family, put down roots, and shown himself to be the sort of person who would be a credit to any country.

Deporting him was cruel, stupid, and self defeating.

[Zywiec]

3. Is it hard to relocate to Mexico?

Since they want us to relax our policies for people coming north, I imagine they must welcome anyone who wants to relocate to Mexico with open arms.

[izquierdista]

4. Very easy

The official rules state that if you want to get an FM-3, a residence visa that allows Americans to live full time in Mexico, you must demonstrate that you have an income of at least $1000/month. Fill out the forms and submit your paperwork at the consulate in San Diego, and you can get your visa the same day.

I have known several people who were living in Mexico that did not have their FM-3, and they were always under threat that the officials from Migracion would pick them up and send them back, but I don't know anyone who actually has been.

[Sundoggy]

5. Actually...

...until a few weeks ago it was a SERIOUS CRIME to be caught in Mexico as an illegal alien. They only just changed that.

[izquierdista]

9. Serious? Meaning what?

It costs $80 to talk your way out of it instead of $40? :shrug:

[Sundoggy]

12. Nope... look it up

We're talking jail time. I'm not making it up.

[blondeatlast]

14. Wow; then I know lots of people who should be doing hard time there.

Why don't YOU look it up and get back to us, eh?

[Sundoggy]

15. Why should I?

I paid attention to the news story. I live on the border, we pay attention to this stuff. If you're curious, look it up yourself.

If you think I'm just making this up, or you just wanted to be offensive, please insert appropriate comeback here.

[izquierdista]

16. Because you seem to think

that the Mexicans actually follow their own laws. From my two years there, I learned that everything is subject to interpretation. And interpretation is directly related to how much cash you have.

[Sundoggy]

17. Sorry, push your own agenda

Not interested. Make your own points. I am simply stating that illegal immigration was until very recently a BIG THING in Mexico. Those happen to be the facts.

From the Mexican Constitution (only place I could find this was a right wing site I refuse to link to):

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Those are the facts. You don't like them, argue with them, not me.

[Sundoggy]

19. I have to take you at your word

that you were there for two years, but I have to tell you the idea of encouraging gringos to go to Mexico and commit crimes because the cops can be bought off is STRAIGHT out of a fairy tale. Tell that to anyone living in a border city and they will first stare at you dumbfounded, then laugh, then make you listen to ten stories that they know PERSONALLY of why it's a bad idea.

[Sundoggy]

18. OK, I did

From the Mexican Constitution:

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

Happy to educate you.

[izquierdista]

25. You proved my point

Three hundred pesos is less than what is imposed on most Americans a cop wants to shake down. Five thousand -- that's a number to be bargained down, and would only be a starting point if you were driving a new Mercedes.

You may live close to the border, but it is obvious that you don't understand Mexico and Mexicans. Never have I seen a country where the written law was so far from the actual practice of the legal system. While Americans fastidiously quote codes and statutes (like you have done), Mexicans seem to regard laws as some easily disregarded set of suggestions imposed by alien beings.

[Zywiec]

26. "Mexicans seem to regard laws as some easily disregarded set of suggestions imposed by alien beings"

I think that's obvious with the way they respect our laws...

[Warpy]

6. Pretty easy

They do want to make sure you're not going to take a job from one of their citizens, though, so they require a minimum monthly income of about $1250.00. Once you're there, either as a renter or property owner, you have to con a citizen into writing a letter about your sterling character, and form letters are available at their immigration offices.

Other than that, they're basically like us in that they'll welcome people with necessary professions to work there, but they don't want any more laborers, thanks very much.

It's harder to take a car into Mexico.

[Sundoggy]

7. Might want to think about it though

On my side of the border, no murders last weekend.

Five miles south of me, twenty-two murders last weekend.

The math isn't pretty.

[Warpy]

11. Border cities are awful

thanks to the squabbling among drug barons. Cities in the interior are much better, with crime rates comparable to or lower than most US cities.

[glowing]

8. I think its easier to stay a US citizen, buy property, and ask for a work permit..

[Warpy]

10. My information was directed toward being a resident alien

which means you don't have to go through the formality of having your tourist visa reapproved every six months.

[michreject]

13. I didn't think it was legal to own land in Mexico

If you were not a Mexican citizen. When did that change?

[Warpy]

21. They changed that some time ago.

Some areas still have exclusion zones, beachfront areas where non Mexicans can't own property, but condos are exempted from even that.

Mexico likes rich Gringos to come in and either improve existing property or provide a market for property that is being built or already improved.

For that, Gringos need to be able to own it.

[michreject]

22. I thought the process was

to sign a 99 year lease. It use to be that way to get around ownership.

[Warpy]

23. Nope

Google it. I did.

[lonestarnot]

20. WTF! Shameful! Pitiful! Pathetic!

[LeftHander]

24. Republican Family Values....God Bless America!!! nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. There was a similar case here

A woman who was living here legally applied for citizenship and was turned down because her name was the same as a woman who had been deported when she committed a crime. It was a really common name too, like Maria Garcia. Anyway she said that's not me and ICE said she had to leave anyway. She hired an attorney and even he could not prevent her deportation.

So they separated her from her husband and infant son because someone else with her name had broken the law. :crazy: