Judge issues orders to city in Carnaby suit (Preserve evidence)

[lovuian]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5799223.html

A federal judge on Friday ordered the city of Houston to preserve all evidence related to the fatal shooting last month of a man who claimed be a CIA agent and led officers on a high-speed chase.

Randall Kallinen, the lawyer representing Roland Carnaby's widow in a federal suit accusing the officers of violating her husband's civil rights, asked U.S. District Judge Keith Ellison to force the city to retain items, including 911 tapes and data transmissions that the department normally discards after a few months.

"The condition of the guns are very, very critical to the case," he said.

Annie Teehan, a senior assistant city attorney, said she didn't know if the guns had been discharged since the April 29 fatal shooting.
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Secret Service have already got a hold of the 911 tapes on his laptop computer
I still believe that there is a rebellion going on within the agencies

[formercia]

1. I suspect someone shut him up.

He investigated 9/11 and was in a position to disclose information that might not have been previously revealed.

It's getting hot out there. Watch your back. Some people need to grow eyes in the back of their head.

Bush Gang is noted for not leaving any loose ends.

[lovuian]

2. If he was CIA the first thing they teach you is have a back up

plan :)

[formercia]

7. otherwise, you better take your lumps

and hope your boss doesn't find out.

11th. Commandment: Don't get caught.

[drm604]

3. The 911 info mentioned in that article seems to be nine one one emergency calls.

I don't see anything in that article about 9/11. Do you have information from elsewhere?

[nashville_brook]

4. lovuian -- do you have a theory about this guy?

i can't make heads or tails of this story (it caught my attention a week or so ago). the best i can come up with is that if he had CIA connections, it was mostly likely a freelancer (b/c he doesn't seem to behave like "career intelligence.") There's something kinda Oswald-y about his sloppiness in that respect.

Spitballing: every large organization has constant internal tension and occasional rebellions. I see no reason why the CIA would be any different. what might be different now is that things are "coming to a head" as we are ostensibly in the twilight of Bush World. Thoughts?

[formercia]

5. It does seem strange that he would identify himself as CIA

unless he was an open employee. If he was under cover status, he would have one of those phony wink wink DoD id cards.
I remember one of my co-workers was training to go to Sov Bloc. He was told to pick up a dead drop which unknown to him, contained 5 ounces of heroin. The local cops were tipped off and busted him on the spot. He spent 3 days in jail before they let him out. He never did say who he worked for. He was pissed.

[nashville_brook]

6. damn, that's harsh. it seems to me that the only reason to identify himself as CIA

was b/c he felt threatened by them somehow. so, i wonder what he was running from. or running to.

[formercia]

8. I've been in that position

A couple of Poppy's crew told some story to a retired Sheriff in Alabama. I was standing there with pop the cop telling me how they found this guy just like me who had committed suicide with the same type of gun that he was holding on me.
Luckily, I had Id'ed my surveillance and I told him the true story and who the guys were that had him all worked-up. It put just enough doubt in his mind that he backed off, otherwise, i would have been dead meat.

I heard later that Poppy threw a tantrum when he found out I had made his crew. He ordered that no pictures be published so that any of his detail could be identified. I recognized them from seeing their picture in the paper jogging either side of the old man.

[nashville_brook]

14. i would love to know this story

but am somehow totally certain it's a story i don't need to hear. yikes. your job is apparently way more exciting than mine. i'm a little envious, i think. :evilgrin:

[formercia]

17. Job, what job?

They make sure you can't find a job unless they control the environment. You suddenly find yourself an industrial accident magnet.

Being poor sucks but it beats being dead.

[formercia]

18. That's not harsh

You get rolled up in Bumfuckistan and the treatment you get is going to be at least an order of magnitude worse. If you can't handle 3 days in the local can, there's no way you can handle 3 years in some flea-infested shit hole.

We had a team rolled up by the Cubans. The case officer had a dip passport and was PNG'd. The tech had an Official passport and spent 20 years in a Cuban jail.

When he was finally released, he came home to find his wife and bank account gone, so he applied for back per-diem. Accounting denied it saying that it was government furnished quarters and meals, thus ineligible for per diem.

That's harsh.

[lovuian]

10. Did you all know where Carnaby was shot at

Houston-based CIA agent Roland Carnaby was shot and killed
by Houston police less than six blocks away from the home of former
President George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush.

This is what I'm talking about there is a war ... who the players are are deep in our governments

Valerie Plame was just the beginning ...our agencies have been inflitrated by WHOM is the question

[formercia]

11. Infiltrated by the same people that tried to take over from FDR.

They have been trying to take control for a long time before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synarchism

[lovuian]

9. ok Nasville you asked for it remember LOL!!!

Pop on your tinfoil hats folks
:tinfoilhat:

Vincent Carnaby, 52, the local
Houston chapter president of the Association for Intelligence
Officers (AFIO). AFIO is a membership organization of current and
former U.S. intelligence officers, primarily those who work or
worked for the CIA and military intelligence agencies. AFIO's
national board includes President George H. W. Bush who is honorary
chairman. The honorary board also includes Shirley Temple Black,
Frank Carlucci, former National Security Agency (NSA) director Gen.
Lincoln Faurer, former NSA director and CIA deputy director Bobby
Ray Inman, former CIA and FBI director William Webster, and former
CIA director James Woolsey. The chairman of the active board is M.
E. "Spike" Bowman, the former head of the FBI's National Security
Law Unit and the person who denied the Minneapolis FBI office a
special warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui's belongings prior to
the 9/11 attacks.

So far some who don't see the tie in heres a bit of a tie in for you


Carnaby mentioned
in the past the CIA and Department of Homeland Security. The CIA
denied any connection to Carnaby.

Fred Platt, the Vice President of the Houston AFIO chapter, said
Carnaby's job was so classified, Houston police homicide detectives
will come up blank when they run his name. Platt said Carnaby's job
involved homeland security and it involved Houston's airports and
the port of Houston.

Houston Police Chief are all denying knowing
Carnaby. The denials are absurd considering Carnaby led the premier
organization that brought together Houston's intelligence and law
enforcement communities for professional and social events. In fact,
Carnaby would have been presiding over the Spring 2008 dinner of
Houston's AFIO chapter in a few weeks. Scheduled to speak are Michael
Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's "Alex Station" that targeted
Osama Bin Laden; Arthur R. Bland III, the Special Agent in Charge
of the FBI's Houston Division, who spent nineteen months in Iraq
prior to his arrival in Houston; and Carlos J. Barron, FBI Assistant
Special Agent in Charge of the FBI Counter Terrorism Intelligence
Group, (CTIG) Houston Division, an FBI Joint Task Force (JTIF)
initiative with the CIA. For the FBI and CIA to deny they knew
Carnaby is laughable on its face.

So let me say Carnaby is BIG TIME stuff and he lies well in the underground trenches of the Poppy Bush Mafiosa

Just some background for now
He was Silenced brutally

[nashville_brook]

12. holy crap.

see, i didn't know that about the AFIO. I just kinda figured he had to be somewhat telling the truth, or else we wouldn't be hearing about it via news stories. random "nutters" generally don't get so far as having national news attention.

so, the "war" would be between Homeland Security/FEMA (which are relatively new agencies) and the establishment intelligence community (whose power is being usurped). The dynamic is that power has been stripped from the State's intelligence, and being given to these new quasi-governmental Halliburton-type for-profit groups. This is scandalous enough without even having to know about the specifics of what they're up to.

Now, what are they up to?

I hope to god there isn't a hurricane this year.

[lovuian]

15. well let me say this Nashville the American Intel agencies

have been infiltrated

Valerie Plames outing was for a reason

and remember the Israeli agents that were arrested under espionage charges

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2005/050605.htm

WASHINGTON — A recent FBI interrogation of an Israeli defense expert may indicate that the Justice Department's investigation into the contacts between America's pro-Israel lobby and a Pentagon analyst is broader in scope than previously believed.

The expert, Uzi Arad, head of the Institute for Policy and Strategy at Israel's Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya, said that two months ago FBI agents interviewed him about his contacts with the Pentagon Iran specialist, Larry Franklin. During the hour-long interview, he said, the FBI agents brought up the name of an American Jewish Committee official, Eran Lerman, who is a former senior official in Israeli military intelligence.

Franklin was arrested and charged Wednesday with "disclosing classified information related to potential attacks upon U.S. forces in Iraq to individuals not entitled to receive the information." The Justice Department did not name the individuals who allegedly received the classified information from Franklin, but media reports claim they are Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, two former officials at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee who were recently dismissed by the pro-Israel lobbying organization.
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George W Bush has destroyed this nations Intelligence
and also remember the Intelligence Agents that participated in the Iran Intel report saying Iran had no WMD that Admiral Fallon was part of...is all interconnected in a web...

I don't know if you ever watched La Femme Nikita
but sometimes if a agency takes a hit then another agency must pay the price also

or another example is a gang war one hits the other in retalliation

thats what I think is going on here

remember :tinfoilhat:

[nashville_brook]

21. this might be off-topic, but googling this stuff, i found that Richard Pearle was caught giving

classified info to Israel in 1970 and NOTHING was done. he wasn't prosecuted. so, doesn't that suggest that back-channel sharing of intel with Israel was sanctioned by Nixon?

[nashville_brook]

13. and thanks for the answer, btw --

now i have something interesting to think about for the evening :)

i'd sure love to know what he was actually doing when all this happened. was he in the middle of doing something? was he going to spill some beans?

[lovuian]

16. We will never know

will we

Its pretty amazing the killings are so in the open now

Very Very scary regime

[formercia]

19. He knew he was dead meat.

that's why he was so desperate to get away.

If you got to go, do it kicking and screaming, otherwise, you're just some anonymous road kill.

[nashville_brook]

20. that's the way it looks to me.

Texas always seems to be in the middle of these things.

[formercia]

22. If it was a hit, the cops may get off scott free.

We had a staffer that murdered his son during an argument. The victim told his father that he hated what he did for a living and his father shot him in the face with a .45. It took a couple of months but the boys had the charges reduced to justifiable homicide and held a fish fry to celebrate their coup.

Synarchy in action.