Plug Pulled on PNAC wesbite

[marmar]

Hopefully, this is metaphorical for the whole movement.



from ThinkProgress:



Prominent neoconservative site goes under.»

Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:

The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.

But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:

This Account Has Been Suspended


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/prominent-neoconservative-site-goes-under/

[driver8]

1. That is great news, but sucks at the same time.

I love forwarding it to wing nuts who tell me that there is no such thing as the PNAC!

[Muttocracy]

2. uh oh - maybe they have their own parallel internets - national and international

all 3

:tinfoilhat:

On a serious note, I need to educate myself more on PNAC - thanks, DU.

[ColbertWatcher]

6. I welcome you to peruse...

...the Truthiness Ecncylopedia's homage to the PNAC

[jaxx]

3. I wonder if this has anything to do with it?

13 March 2008
McCain and PNAC

McCain has surrounded himself with the best and brightest from the now-defunct Project for the New American Century: Randy Scheunemann, one of its directors, is serving as McCain’s top foreign policy advisor. He is joined by PNAC’s founder, Bill Kristol, along with Gary Schmitt (President), Robert Kagan (director), and James Woolsey (signatory).

http://laudemgloriae.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccain-and-pnac.html

[davekriss]

38. PNAC: So wrong for so long...

...yet McBush chooses to surround himself with same. Truly, if McCain should steal the election, every patriotic American should rise up and seize this country back.

[Hekate]

44. Thanks for the info. That is really scary. Dems MUST unite to defeat this cabal. nt

[Sundoggy]

4. Far more likely they forgot to pay their hosting bill n/t

[lyonn]

9. They may have joined Cheney in that ultra secret bunker??

Meeting with the DC prayer group headed by high ranking repubs and a scattering of dems.

[davekriss]

39. O my...

...that brings back the scenes of secret underground ceremonies seen on one of the Planet of the Apes sequels. Scary!

[Ian David]

5. Someone better archive it for The Hague. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

7. The Wayback Machine has it and so does Pirate Bay. n/t

[Ian David]

10. Wayback will delete an archive at the request of the domain holder. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

11. I have never heard of them doing that. n/t

[Ian David]

13. I think I read it on their policy page. But I could be wrong. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

14. Regardless. PirateBay has some, and wikileaks will soon enough. n/t

[Regret My New Name]

45. They do...

I don't recall the specifics but they were actually sued over it. I'm thinking it's mentioned on wikipedia.


*edit* ok, maybe I was mis-remembering what I read.. hehe, but they will remove content on request.

[ColbertWatcher]

49. I know YouTube removes on request.

But, I haven't heard of Wayback removing. Regardless, like I said earlier, PirateBay has some up (and most likely whatever they didn't have from before) and wikileaks is bound to start archiving using Wayback before it is purged.

That is, if they purge.

[Dr.Phool]

8. What's s Wesbite? Should I buy one?

[ColbertWatcher]

12. It's one tube...

...in a series of tubes.

[Subdivisions]

22. Sorry, but I just have to...

[Chulanowa]

34. Just remember - It's not a dumptruck!

God damn, how I detest that man, and his poodle of a daughter.

[ColbertWatcher]

36. Duplicate, mods please delete. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

37. It seems his son is just as corrupt as he is! n/t

[spanone]

15. i bet the shredders are smokin, the delete buttons are wearing out, the hardrives are being smashed

you better believe it

[siligut]

16. This happened before.

A few years ago, another website that they ran shut down also. Don’t know if they are just trying to confuse or what. However, I do know the impetus that sparked the PNAC has not left the hearts of these men.

[nradisic]

17. Karma?

Or is it foreshadowing the November election?

[Yael]

18. They scrubbed it

Good thing for the wayback machine.

I hope someone is capturing the archives...

[SoCalDem]

19. It will be back.. or something like it.. They are proabbly re-tooling their message

:)

[shanti]

28. under a new name, yes

they aren't disappearing for good.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

42. Are those tools, re-toolable?

:P I think too many monkeys have thrown too many wrenches to salvage anything there...

[WritersBlock]

20. Not to worry. I saved an extra copy of "Rebuilding America's Defenses" for them.

Along with their letter to President Clinton urging him to go after Saddam, etc.

[davekriss]

40. Me too

And those infamous works are mirrored all over the internet. I always thought the PNAC site was absolute evidence of the audacity of their egos (as well as unconsciousness of their outrageousness). May they fall away into the oblivion of black history!

[WritersBlock]

53. While I agree with the sentiment, the last thing I want them to do is fade into obivion.

I want evidence of their acts and ideology to remain out in the open and become known by all.

I what they have done to this country and Iraq to be remembered and shouted from the rooftops.

I want it held up in their faces for the rest of their lives and held up to scorn for all of history.

[chill_wind]

21. K & R n/t

[Breeze54]

23. To late...copies of everything here--->

Welcome to PNAC.info-- a site dedicated to drawing attention to the neoconservative
foreign policy approach, and its consequences for America and the world.

http://pnac.info/index.php/2003/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president/

:P

[Wizard777]

25. So this forms a motive to manufacture evidence against Iraq.

A motive awaiting the opportunity (winning the election)and ability (assuming the Presidency)

[Breeze54]

26. You got it... they had it planned well before * was elected.

:grr:

[Wizard777]

31. Then an anthrax attack on Congress to invoke the Brady Response.

After being a victim in the Reagan assassination attempt. The response was gun grabbing legislation. After being the victims of an bio attack. Of course Congress would naturally want to respond with WMD grabbing AUMF. Cue George to go running in screaming Iraq has WMD's. Cue Colin to show off the anthrax and AUMF in 5-4-3-2-1. Launch bombs!

[KamaAina]

27. Awesome! Here's the one you really want:

http://pnac.info/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

from p. 63 of the PDF document is perhaps the ultimate "smoking gun":

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.

bearing in mind that the report's publication date is September 2000. :tinfoilhat:

[Raster]

32. Thank you KamaAina! And NO tinfoil hat is necessary....

There is not a doubt in my mind that 9/11 was the "new Pearl Harbor." And I DON'T BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCE, especially with this nefarious group of bastards.

[davekriss]

41. There are no accidents in politics... (nt)

[opihimoimoi]

51. You iz da man.....

It just might be they are changing straties...as of now...its underground and speak in codes...

[Ghost in the Machine]

29. Thanks for that link...

I was starting to copy all the cached pages over at http://www.neoconunderground.com

:hi:

[dmr]

47. Excellent!

Thanks for doing this.

:)

[Wizard777]

24. PNAC has reorganized as the Mc Cain Campaign. Mc PNAC

[Ghost in the Machine]

30. Off to the Greatest with you!

:kick:

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35. Hard for me to believe it was EVER posted on the internets

to begin with.

[krkaufman]

43. Or... it might be that their objective was accomplished

The overthrow of Saddam and a big-ass war for profit. Time to rebrand and rename.

[magellan]

46. I'm sure they rebranded last year

I've been trying to find the new name & website. It might be the one greyhound1966 reported last year which is Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

[Hekate]

48. I started to do my Schadenfreude Dance, but then realized that Voldemort will not die unless...

... all the Horcruxes are destroyed. Sauron will not die until the Ring is undone.

Lots of work still to do, especially when you consider how McCain has surrounded himself with PNACers.

Hekate

[glitch]

50. I still like to call them PNACies

The P can be silent.

[judasdisney]

52. They'll NEVER be back... Go back to sleep .... You are getting sleepy... Sleepy.... Sleepy....