When did the concept of 'diplomacy' become a bad thing? I'm

[babylonsister]

52 years old, and I remember diplomacy being good. Now, it's a curse word, kind of like 'liberal'?

Can anyone tell me when this changed, or better yet, when it might change back?

[angstlessk]

1. in 2000 it changed...with the neo cons in charge..they wanted to invade the earth

with lies and well 9/11 helped..coincendently

[babylonsister]

4. That's not that long ago; maybe we can revert back to the correct definition? nt

[magellan]

2. The Repubs are responsible

Bush** mostly, but I have a feeling it started when Clinton was in office and making headway on I/P.

[gristy]

3. This happened when bushco took office.

It will change back next January.

[blondeatlast]

5. When those in charge of our government found it "inconvenient." Where the *f* has Condi been,

anyway?

[babylonsister]

6. Ha! She FAILS! in her job imo. This whole admin does. nt

[blondeatlast]

10. And with Condi, I think it was planned. She's a parrot with an impressive resume

but no genuine skills.

[Muttocracy]

17. 'resume - ignored 9/11 warning - well heck, make her Sec of State!!!!111 nt

[Muttocracy]

9. I keep noticing how Negroponte testifies at SFRC hearings

(I'm a Biden junkie) and think, where the heck is she? shoe-shopping?

And then Biden brought up how she and Gates talk about talking to Iran. MSNBC added tapes from Colin Powell...

[blondeatlast]

15. He's be a great SoS. I was supporting him up until he dropped,

now I'm hoping he might just be VP or (honestly, I'd prefer) SoS.

[blondeatlast]

7. Maybe we should discuss "HOW" it became a bad thing. These assholes have carefully

corrupted both the media and the language and if the Left is ever going to be able to stanch the cancer they've spread, we need to examine how they succeeded at perverting both.

[cynatnite]

8. When someone told bush he had a huge package...

while wearing that flight gear on the aircraft carrier on 'mission accomplished' day.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

16. Bush has said "in Texas, we don't do nuance"

Chest-thumping, strutting, ass-parading, smirking, and photo-op caveman posturing are Bush's style. Remember in 2004 how Kerry's nuanced approach to the situation in Iraq, relying on regional diplomacy was criticized by right wing nuts as being an idea of the cultural elite, the latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, body-piercing, Hollywood-loving crowd? There's a real big cultural divide in this country and the word "diplomacy" or "diplomat" is almost as unmentionable a word to the right wing nuts as communist used to be.

[cynatnite]

21. Yep, diplomacy is pretty low and barely a notch over 'give peace a chance' n/t

[Muttocracy]

11. I loved it when Biden said repeatedly today that talking doesn't mean removing "NO" from your vocab.

And Chris Matthews did a great job taking on that nutty radio show host who had no clue the difference between holding a meeting vs. appeasement. That Matthew tape needs to be sent to anyone who falls for right wing radio crap.

[cynatnite]

14. Yeah, it was great to watch...

But I'm not taking Tweety out of the doghouse.

[Muttocracy]

18. no, it doesn't make up for other things he's done, but it raised him a bit. nt

[pinto]

12. No kidding. I'm 55 and remember diplomacy, blunt at times, erratic at times,

as a standard we strove to meet and maintain. Was it always effective? Hardly.

Yet, there was that general sense that diplomacy, as you say, was a good thing - and worth the effort.

Bushco has devalued diplomacy to the detriment of us all, here and abroad.

[babylonsister]

19. Thanks. Diplomacy has always been messy, I guess, but to think it's

a bad thing is weird to me. Talk is good. I also blame it on the dimson.

[Hekate]

13. When PNAC was signed?

That would be my guess. Neoconnery from Neoconartists.

Hekate

[SeattleGirl]

20. When the pretend cowboy got into office.

He and his cabal think diplomacy equals weakness.

It's no wonder our standing in the world is in the toilet.

[babylonsister]

23. Hi! SeattleGirl. Do you remember when diplomacy was a good thing?

I mean 'really', your education perhaps? That must be mine, because it's so very weird for me to think it's anathema now to some people.

[unpossibles]

22. when it became a "good" thing to invade and occupy other countries without provocation

I guess the "good" American way is to kill as many as you can, then ask questions later.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

24. It became a bad thing when...

Hyper-testosterone morons like the gagootz that Tweety eviscerated tonight were actually allowed to excite electrons in the radio spectrum. Among other things.

[babylonsister]

25. I thought 'radio' came after the actual idiocy. Did radio start this?

I've heard many opinions, but who did what, and when was a lack of diplomacy acceptable?

[bamacrat]

26. When children took over the government.

Its fun to make boom.

[babylonsister]

27. How wry, and dumb, without any context or opinion. Care to share? nt

[Wizard777]

28. Ironically enough. We not only talk to our enemies. We allow them to politically organize here.

Before WWII Teh American Nazi Party was very popular. Some time after WWII this party has reemerged as the American Neo Nazi Party. In Germany the Nazi Party and all of it's symbols are illegal. But not here in America. Just think. One day we will probably have an American Neo Al Qaida Party.

[Wizard777]

29. Does anyone remember the Red Phone to our mortal enemies in the USSR?

Of course we talk to our enemies! Geesh! We even have special phone lines installed to talk to them on.

[babylonsister]

30. Yes, I remember the perception of them. Maybe we were deluded then?

Like we are now? I'm not but heh. You are.

[Wizard777]

31. HUH? Are you sure you reponded to the right post?

[babylonsister]

34. Sorry, I'm so sick of this admin, I can't even fathom another mindset.

Now. But we should talk. I didn't mean to dismiss your opinion.

[Wizard777]

35. That's okay . I know exactly how you feel.

:hug: Thanks for the apology. That was very big of you.

[WA98070]

32. Preemptive war is much more fun.

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[babylonsister]

36. Anyone? That cuss word is still being talked about. Grr. nt

[Winterblues]

37. Dictators don't talk to people they dictate to people..

Since Republican rule began in America the world gets dictated to and not talked with...That to will change.