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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:04 PM
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Thank you Keith, for Speaking of the Unmentionable
A few months ago I posted an article on DU titled “Unmentionable Things in U.S. Politics”, in which I lamented the situation in our country today whereby many of the most important issues that face us are virtually unmentionable by mainstream politicians or journalists, lest they risk losing their jobs – or worse. The last paragraph of that article explains why I consider this to be a monumentally important subject:

When stolen presidential elections are unmentionable, the impetus to do something to prevent elections from being stolen is diminished; when a nation fails to admit to its immoral wars, the likelihood that U.S. presidents will continue to push us into those wars, in the absence of substantial resistance, is increased; and as long as it is taboo to attribute impure motives to our presidents or other top powerful leaders, the necessity of removing them from office will seldom seem to be urgent.

I mentioned some courageous examples of those who crossed the line to discuss unmentionable subjects, including: Barbara Boxer (objecting to the 2004 Presidential election); Dennis Kucinich (telling us the real reason for the Iraq War); Richard Durbin (exposing our use of torture); Cynthia McKinney (criticizing Bush’s handling of 9-11); John Edwards (poverty); and Keith Olbermann’s scathing Special Comments.

Well, I believe that with last night’s “Special Comment”, Keith out-did even himself in discussing unmentionable subjects, thereby doing our country a great service. I call what he did a great service to our country because, by talking about these things in the way he did, he makes it more possible for others to talk about them too. And these are all things that need a great deal more discussion in our country than what they’ve been getting. Here are some of the things that Keith Olbermann had to say to George W. Bush in his Special Comment of May 15, 2008:


You’re a murderer and a war criminal

Two of the three major unmentionable subjects that I brought up in my other post were “the immorality of U.S. military and covert actions” and “imputing bad motives to a U.S. President”. It’s ok (sometimes) to criticize a President for making a “mistake” in bringing us into an “ill-conceived” war. We can say (in retrospect) that our Vietnam War was a mistake or that our Iraq War was a mistake (since we are losing it). And we can say that George Bush made a mistake in getting us into war or that he has done a poor job of handling that war. But to say that one of our wars is immoral or that the President’s motives were impure in bringing us into war is virtually forbidden in our country.

Why are these things virtually unmentionable in our country? They are unmentionable because they starkly point out that our country is not always the “beacon of light” that many or most Americans make it out to be. Specifically, these unmentionable things point out that we as a nation are not living up to our great ideals, as expressed in our Declaration of Independence.

Well, Keith crossed both of those lines in last night’s Special Comment, first by calling George Bush a murderer and a war criminal:

Mr. Bush, at long last, has it not dawned on you that the America you have now created includes cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives? They are those in, or formerly in, your employ, who may yet be charged some day with war crimes…. Do you still have no earthly clue that this nation has laid waste to Iraq to achieve your political objectives?

Perhaps one could argue that there is just a tint of subtlety in that statement, and that Keith is not clearly and obviously calling our President a war criminal and a murderer. But what else could it mean to say that he has “created… cold blooded killers” for the purpose of achieving his political objectives?


You don’t give a damn about our country or its people

There is not much worse that one could say about a U.S. President than that he doesn’t give a damn about his country. Keith turned back Bush’s own words on him, saying of the “ideological struggle” that Bush is so fond of talking about when justifying his “War on Terror”:

This ideological struggle, Mr. Bush, is taking place within this country. It is a struggle between Americans who cherish freedom – ours and everybody else’s – and Americans like you, sir, to whom freedom is just a brand name.

In other words, Mr. Bush, all your talk of freedom is nothing but the epitome of hypocrisy. Your actions speak much louder than your words, and your actions show that freedom for anyone but yourself and your cronies means nothing to you.


Iraqis are people – deserving of the same human rights that everyone else is

One of my greatest gripes about the national coverage of the Iraq War, by our politicians and our corporate news media, is that it makes Iraqis – those people for whom George Bush said our war would bring democracy – out to be some sort of subhuman species. The hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths are never mentioned. The four million Iraqi refugees that we’ve created are never mentioned. The massive destruction of their country’s infrastructure is never mentioned. In short, the immorality of our invasion and occupation of Iraq is never mentioned. Noam Chomsky, in his book “What we Say Goes”, hit the nail on the head:

The United States is an outlaw state, and it is accepted by the intellectual class here that it should be an outlaw state… There is no criticism of this… There is a huge debate about the invasion of Iraq, but no question about whether we have a justification to do it. Of course, we have the automatic justification to do it – because it’s us. We have a justification to do anything. In fact, if you look at the so-called debate about Iraq, it’s at approximately the level of a high school newspaper commenting on the local sports team. You don’t ask whether the team has a right to win, you just ask how they can win… The question of whether the United States has a right to win in Iraq is unthinkable.

Keith addressed the issue of our Iraq War a little more specifically than Chomsky’s above cited paragraph, if a little less starkly. He said to Bush:

Your government’s farcical post-invasion strategy of letting the societal infra-structure of Iraq dissolve, to be replaced by an American Vice-Royalty enforced by merciless mercenaries who shoot unarmed Iraqis and then evade prosecution in any country, by hiding behind your skirts, sir…

With that paragraph Keith addresses not only the mere facts of our killing of Iraqi civilians and destruction of their country, but also the fact that it was no accident. Much or most of it was done not as a necessity of war, but unnecessarily, for whatever sick purposes motivated George Bush. And so little does he think of the Iraqi people that when his mercenaries murder them in cold blood, his first priority is to protect his mercenaries against prosecution.

By discussing, even briefly, what George Bush’s war has done to the people of Iraq, Keith did something that is rarely done in our country today – he helped to humanize the Iraqi people with respect to the national discussion of our war. Demonizing or dehumanizing people, as our national politicians and journalists usually do with the Iraqis, sets the stage for more war. Humanizing them, by discussing them as the real people that they are, gives Americans an important reason to demand an end to war.


Your Iraq War is one gigantic fraud

Most Americans now know that George Bush’s excuse for the invasion of Iraq, that their (non-existent) weapons of mass destruction posed an imminent risk to our country, was factually incorrect. But still, you rarely hear a politician or journalist say that Bush actually lied to us to bring us into war. Keith had no qualms about saying that:

You, Mr. Bush, and your tragically know-it-all minions, threw out every piece of intelligence that suggested there were no such weapons. You, Mr. Bush, threw out every person who suggested that the sober, contradictory, reality-based intelligence needed to be listened to, fast… The fiasco of pre-war intelligence, sir, is your fiasco…

Mr. Bush – you destroyed the evidence that contradicted the resolution you jammed down the Congress’s throat, the way you jammed it down the nation’s throat. When required by law to verify that your evidence was accurate, you simply re-submitted it…

And as a final crash of self-indulgent nonsense, when the incontrovertible truth of your panoramic and murderous deceit…


Your purpose for this war was for no reason other than to profit your wealthy cronies

Closely related the to George Bush’s deceit in pushing us into war in Iraq are his real reasons for doing so. As Antonia Juhasz explains in her book, “http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3D%2522the%2Bbush%2Bagenda%2522%2Bjuhasz%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title">The Bush Agenda – Invading the World, One Economy at a Time”, George Bush’s main agenda in leading us into war was to provide his cronies and supporters with a bonanza of opportunities for enriching themselves. Keith made the same point in his Special Comment last night, though very briefly:

The war in Iraq – your war, Mr. Bush – is about how you accomplished the derangement of two nations, and how you helped funnel billions of taxpayer dollars to lascivious and perennially thirsty corporations like Halliburton and Blackwater, and how you sent 4,000 Americans to their deaths – for nothing.


Thank you Keith!

One of the primary characteristics of a psychopath is that he never thinks or talks about the destructive and evil deeds that he commits, except in an attempt to spin them to make them appear what they are not. In so doing, he never has to feel guilty or uncomfortable about the destruction that he spreads. And thus, the psychopath turns away from the only potential opportunity to reform himself. One cannot reform aspects of one’s personality that one never honestly thinks or talks about.

As it is with individual people, so it is with a nation. With all our talk of terrorism, many or most people in the world today see George Bush and the country he leads as one of the greatest threats to world peace. As long as our nation’s misdeeds remain taboo subjects in our country, few people will discuss them. As long as we fail to discuss them we will not be able to learn from them, and we are not likely to change them.

Keith Olbermann is one of the few highly and widely visible people in our country today who has the courage to speak of unmentionable subjects that are in dire need of discussion. By doing this he makes it much easier for other Americans to talk and think about these things. If more national politicians and journalists were like that we would throw George Bush and Dick Cheney out of office, end the Iraq War, and then get on with the business of living up to our nation’s ideals.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:23 PM
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1. K&R
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:35 PM
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2. Great POST!!!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:47 AM
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20. I'll second that.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:26 PM
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3. "It is WAY PAST Tribunal Time in the United States of America." ....
... though, it appears, at least a few members of Congress are awakening to the power of "inherent contempt."

Let'um warm up on Rove ... and then move to those most deserving of arrest by the Sargent-at-Arms -> Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, Powell, Feith, Libby, ...................................................................

Indict and prosecute these vastly criminal neoconsters.

Excellent post, as always. Recommended.

Peace,
Bob
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:23 AM
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9. Yes it IS way past time that these criminals be held accountable for their crimes
Maybe some day we'll understand why our Congress has been so complacent about this?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:49 PM
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23. too much money is being made.
blood money that is.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:08 AM
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4. Many things I've been saying for some time
Never quite resonated in these parts ... until now.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:55 AM
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5. K&R
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:56 AM
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6. Yep. You cannot change what you don't acknowledge.
But the time for change has come ;) The anesthesia is wearing off, this collective numbness that is unaware of its collusion with evil.

It's a mass awakening, slowly, slowly, to the horrors of what has been done by us and in our name. We are our own mid-wives here, breaking out of cocoons, one by one, making strange noises that butterflies can hear.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:17 AM
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7. Will Bush learn to pronouce "dag, mijnheer" ?
My younger daughter is being sent by the UN to Sierra Leone this summer to
participate in their War Crimes tribunals.

Next summer--Den Haag for Bush and Cheney?
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:56 PM
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31. Wow! What a throwback. I lived in Bruxelles for 5 years and Flemish is one of their two official
languages. Used to hear that phrase every day.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:32 PM
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38. I'll bet. I'm there once a week for work.
I have to speak all 4 languages used there (and a few others),
but after 30 years, I'd have to be deaf not to be close to fluent
by now.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:23 PM
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43. Are you living in Belgium, then? Awful weather, great restaurants.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 03:07 AM
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52. I don't live there, although I sometimes feel like it.
I'm based in the German Rheinland, and getting up at 4:30 AM every time I have
to run over there is getting old, but the weather here, while not ideal, is
better than what the Belgians suffer.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:59 PM
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56. DFW
Edited on Sat May-17-08 07:00 PM by Diclotican
DFW

In The Hague he may get a fair trial. But he could be assured that we, in Europe would never execute the sorry excuse for a man.. We don't allow that penalty here anymore. Even Russia are on the bandwagon when it come to executing criminals..(in fact, if theory a criminal can be judged to death, but would be pardoned by defult, by the Russian President. And send to the criminal penal system )

The best is if mr Bush and the whole Cabinet are both collective and one by one send to a US criminal court, and there given, by the american law the punishment they deserve.. As 24 persons in the first WAR CRIMINAL COURT IN THE NUREMBERG

To put him in the Hague is to easy.. He would live to se another day. And be given a far better Prison time in a comfortable clean warm cell then he might would be given in a US prison... He may even if old given amnesty because of faltering health and given permission to go home to die in Crawford Texas... He is in the 60s now, so it is not that impossible that he would be a sick old man in 15-20 year time.. And our system is far more leaner when it come to old sick criminals than your criminal penal code are...

It would be best, both for the US, and for the rest of the world, if mr Bush was send to a criminal Court in the US.. The Judges of Hague can off course help their fellow judged in the US if needed.:sarcasm:We have learned little about how to get a war criminal trial go under way, both at ICC but also their forgrounder The International War Crime trial in Nuremberg (1945-46) But for the most part I would say the best is if the american public itself, can get the education they so dearly need about the evil forces of this world.. And sometimes the most evil forces are not in foreign hand, but home made

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english,
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:14 AM
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8. K&R
:dem:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:27 AM
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10. Wow
Can I recommend this twice? Excellent post.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:35 AM
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11. K&R...
Maybe the truth will all come out afterall...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:29 AM
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12. "Who could have ever imagined"?
Great post.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:54 AM
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13. The Truth!! The Truth!! Wow! What a concept!!!
Edited on Fri May-16-08 08:55 AM by BrklynLib at work
Excellent post. I have been waiting at least 8 years...perhaps even since Reagan hit the White House...to hear the things that KO said. Your presentation of this truth-teling was superb.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:31 PM
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44. Thank you -- The first time I heard a KO Special Comment I was amazed and thrilled
We've come to expect a lot from him. But Thursday's Special Comment was just fantastic. It would not be surprising to me if his job is in jeopardy now. But on the other hand his ratings keep going up. I doubt he could say things like this and retain his job if his ratings weren't skyrocketing -- which is well deserved and a very good sign.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:00 AM
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14. "The purpose of the Iraq War is to - - - have a war. "
Yep - God Bless Keith Olbermann.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:54 AM
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15. The more I think about the rationale behind the Iraq War, the more I think it was pure politics...
Edited on Fri May-16-08 09:56 AM by stevietheman
with the bonanza for Bush's cronies being a bonus.

I think it can be argued that there was a 2004 re-election political agenda in place all along which included getting a major war going that would make it very difficult for a competitor to run against a "war president".

The proof I see for this is:

1) The Bush Regime's impatience with sweeping 9/11 under the rug. I don't think it was just a matter of embarrassment or hiding any nefarious aspects for the Bush Regime -- they wanted to get 9/11 off the national discussion so that they could change the subject to something "positive" for them, politically. 9/11 recriminations would drag them down, in their thinking, while a drive for war against an evil dictator with weapons of mass destruction would pump them up, again in their thinking.

1a) Apply the same thing to Afghanistan, where bin Laden was essentially allowed to escape into the mountains. The Bush Regime *had* to change the subject, for political purposes.

2) The lack of planning for post-war Iraq. A war for political purposes doesn't think so much about the ramifications of the war, except insofar as ensuring that the war mentality is maintained through the 2004 election.

3) Staying in Iraq because of Bush's stated (and not factual) reason that we're protecting America from the terrorists. This was much more powerful for 2004 than 2008, but keeping them there through this year allows McCain to use similar arguments. Of course, these arguments no longer hold much water for the American people, but what does Bush care about that? He got his two terms.

4) Look at how Katrina was handled. That mess can also be easily argued that the Bush Regime neglected New Orleans for one central reason: Pure politics. Driving out people who would never vote Republican in Louisiana was such a tasty prospect for Rove and Bush that this overrode any other considerations.

There's probably a lot more I could say to back up this hypothesis.

This just seems to be the string that ties all the Bush Regime messes together -- Political point scoring above all else. What other explanation ties all these things together?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:22 PM
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42. Bush did hope to improve his electability by going to war
Edited on Fri May-16-08 08:23 PM by Time for change
But I doubt that was the primary reason. His whole presidency has been based on funneling money to his cronies and supporters. To address the points you made:

1) It is true that Bush tried to evade talk of the fact that bin Laden remained uncaptured, and he tried to prevent the establishment of the 9-11 Commission. But he also tried hard to keep 9-11 in the public mind throughout his presidency, in the belief that that was one of the only issues that made him somewhat popular. It also provided a good part of the excuse for going to war.

Along those lines it is important to keep in mind that the Iraq War was a major part of his administration's agenda from January 2001, long before 9-11. It was always a top priority for Bush and Cheney.

2) "Lack of planning" only applied to how the war was conducted. There was no lack of planning in how to funnel billions of dollars to his cronies. The Iraqi infrastructure went to hell, and that was one major reason for the insurgency, but somehow the Bush administration managed to protect the oil and the green zone where political elites resided.

3) Iraq has been politically a losing issue for a long time. Bush has kept the war going despite the political fallout not because of it.

4) Katrina was also a major losing issue for Bush politically. To this day it is a major reason for his record low approval ratings. He could not have done that for political gain because there was no political gain. Rather, he just didn't want to spend the resources of the federal government on it, either for ideological reasons, or because he wanted more money for his cronies.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:35 AM
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16. K&R n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:49 AM
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17. Thank YOU KEITH!
:toast:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:42 PM
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39. To Keith!
:toast:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:53 AM
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18. K&R. Why is it that Keith Olbermann is the only journalist who
is nearly angry enough? If you're not ridiculously pissed off now, then you just aren't paying attention (or you're an idiot republican, but they're pissed off at other things). I don't care how objective you're trying to be, but if you are not spitting seething venom at this administration every night, as a journalist, you're NOT doing your job.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:55 AM
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19. K&R
I wonder if Keith reads DU regularly.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:35 PM
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45. I do hope so
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:16 PM
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21. K & R! Well put!
:kick:
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:45 PM
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22. K&R
I find it amazing and appalling that some here recently had the nerve to criticize Keith. He is so dead on more often than not, and so in tune with what is REALLY going on, that it amazes me they let him stay on the air. After seeing another post today, a video of the human piece of waste, Glenn Beck, it makes me realize just how fortunate we are to have Keith out there as on of the few voices of reason in the MSM. Cenk is right up there too as is Rachel, but they don't reach the listeners/viewers the KO does. Hopefully that will change soon. Great post BTW. :applause:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:41 PM
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46. Thank you -- I did wish that he would not have been so critical of Hillary
But I'm sure that his rants against Hillary were sincerely felt, and if there's one thing about Keith it's that he says what's on his mind and what he believes in. So if I don't always agree with him, that doesn't lessen the great amount of respect I have for him.
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dlfuller Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:15 PM
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24. K&R
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:25 PM
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25. I can truly say that I find each and every one of your posts to be of
inestimable value.
This one as well, of course.
Thank you, and thank you Keith!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:45 PM
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47. Thank you so much.
That is very nice to hear.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:22 PM
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26. The war was also meant to keep oil prices HIGH
Oil & Gas Journal fretted before the war that when the sanctions came off Saddam, he would pump too much oil and drive the price down--unless there was a war.

Greg Palast got the same story from oil company execs, and Bush himself seemed to confirm this when he reassured Putin that his invasion of Iraq would NOT result in greater oil production and therefore lower prices.

So as far as the average American is concerned, we went to war to pay MORE at the pump.

http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/03/oil-too-cheap-if-no-iraq-war-says-oil.html
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:25 PM
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27. Great post. It was indeed a good Special Comment.. AND he is as
angry as the rest of us. I thought he was going to bust a blood vessel.. he is a patriot.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:16 PM
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28. You da man, Keith!
K&R
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BayjanDem Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:17 PM
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29. A voice
After years of right wing media, I finally have a voice. Someone that speaks for me. We need K.O, Randi Rhodes etc..to help offset the Hannity/Beck/Tweety crowd. After his commentary on Wednesday I stood in my living room and \o/.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:10 PM
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49. Yes, that's the way I feel about it
I do believe that Keith was a major reason for the Democratic blowout in 2006. The Dems needed something to at least partially balance out all the right wing lies.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:56 PM
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30. Your piece
makes me want to stand up and salute. It is what 'Patriotic' means to me.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:58 PM
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32. K&R for you and for KO. Go, Kiefie! We love ya.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:59 PM
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34. Thank you and thank KO. k&r. nm
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:13 PM
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35. Thanks. I'm (respectfully) glad to see that at least some Americans
are still awake, aware and unafraid enough to voice these most essential truths.

Please now act. It is not too late.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:39 PM
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36. Thank you KO. We need spokesmen like you more today than at
any other time in history.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:14 PM
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37. k&r
Edited on Fri May-16-08 06:15 PM by orleans
keith was getting to be a bit much for me with all the hillary shit.

THIS is what i prefer to see/hear.

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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:47 PM
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40. The REALLY unspoken truth is that our "democracy" is a sham; that there is no substantial difference
Edited on Fri May-16-08 07:49 PM by gulfcoastliberal
between democrats and republicans... that they both serve the same faceless, shadowy masters behind the scenes - the international royalty like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.

We could have veto-proof majorities in both chambers and we'd still see no real changes in policy in Iraq and the bankers and armament industry would still firmly control all legislation and policy. We've rotted from the inside-out.

Edit: But you're right about KO - he is the very best we've got in our state-controlled McPravda media.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:20 PM
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50. It is true that there are a lot of Democrats that are way more conservative than I'd like and
a lot of Dems who are too subservient to their corporate donors and who don't have as much integrity as they should. But still, I believe that there is a huge difference between the two parties. Their agendas really are quite a bit different.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:57 PM
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41. Were the Fourth Estate doing their duty, they would have been echoing
Keith's observations every day and adding a few of their own. :D
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:53 PM
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48. kr
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:41 PM
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51. Excellent post and KO's special comment was sheer brilliance. K&R
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:11 PM
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53. Time For Change will be one of the next to disappear into the US Gulag.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 01:17 PM by Ghost Dog
Do not forget.

The "Time for change" journal is an essential reading resource.

I'm posting here now in order to link this into my own DU journal.

Later, soon, I'll tell you what I think about what Mr. Gore Vidal, interviewed by Amy Goodman, has just had to say...

BUT, above all, I do recommend thinking for yourselves... if that doesn't sound like too much hard work...


Ed. To be more explicit (avoid easy work), Time for change's journal is to be found here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:58 PM
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54. Umm... And the Gore Viidal reference can be found here:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:52 AM
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58. Thank you very much Ghost Dog -- great interview with Gore Vidal
Damn right it isn't over yet. They sure do sound like they want to attack Iran. I'm afraid that they might even use that to declare martial law and cancel the 08 elections.

Vidal: "No, but in their case yes". Wow!
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:42 PM
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55. Time for change
Time for change

That was, what should I say, straight to the point, and heartfeelt... This man should it be made a statue about.. In gold if posible... Mr Olderman is one of the few, in US media world who are daring to tell the truth, as he see it.. And it really look as he mean every word he is saying. And i Doubt really that he is playing about it anyway..Have been seeing him for a while now. And I really love the swing hit he is giving the Imperial Office of mr Bush in the prosess...

I just want that the rest of the media whores in US was as tuff as mr Olderman, and was working to get the truth about this regime of your to the public.. But I believe that for the most part it is fear in the system, that if you step out of the bonder you might get into more problem than you want, that is stooping many who know the truth, to tell the truth...
Or maybe many in the media are to well paid, and not willing to step out and smell the shit hit the fan before it is?

But anyway, the current President in US must be a perfect sociopath.. A man who are just extremely criminal and amoral.. He have destroyed a whole country, destabilized the Middle East, killed hundred of thousands of iraqi civilians (maybe): More than 4000 dead soldiers of american origin. Maybe as much as 300.000 soldiers are maimed or hurt. Thousands are living with mental defect, who would rule the rest of their life.. And have both economical and morally almost destroyed the United States of America..

And for that, he is giving up GOLF?.. What a sick, ugly little frog this man really is.. He must either be the perfect evil face for the 21 century.. Or he are the most stupid, stinking Man that ever where... I have never liked the man, not from the first time I was seeing him on the TV.. But I have to say that over the last 8 year I have grown a big dislike for the man, and when this man is on TV, I have to fysically leave the rom. If I can not switch off or to another channel... I just can't stand this man, and I can't stand what he is standing for... He is a mad man, with the button on the biggest stockpile of nuclear devices.. He is far worse than every one current state leader... Maybe not former, like Hitler or Stalin, but dam close.. He is worse than everyone I at the moment can name... But it is maybe as when he was asked what the best thing he had managed to do, and he answered that the fish he had cached sometimes ago was the best thing he had managed to do... I am not a president candidate, not now and not in the future.. But even I have better thing to be proud off than to catch a fish..

I hope, and pray for the day that this man is out off office, and be tried, convicted and jailed for his crimes... If it is not been started before he is leaving office, it would be a tragic if he is not tried for his crimes against humanity, against the world, and against the massive crimes against the United States of America alone.. I really hope the next president, if it is a democratic candidate who are elected, that the first thing after the person is sweared in would be to get the legal staff together, to build the case for criminal actions against mr Bush, and the whole of his iner and outer Cabinet.. And many other, who have had power in his tenure as President of the United States of America..

This man is CRIMINAL. And should be tried as sutch... And maybe after conviction be taken to a prision with mental facility, like that in Pubelo (im not sure about the State) where he may get the medical attentcion he really need... He have all the tell tale about serious mental needs....

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 02:02 AM
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57. Gore Vidal:
... AMY GOODMAN: And what about Dreaming War?

GORE VIDAL: Well, same thing. They were dreaming war. You can see little Bush all along was just dreaming of war, and also Cheney dreaming about oil wells and how you knock apart a country like Iraq and of course their oil will pay for the damage you do. For that alone, he should have been put in front of a firing squad.

AMY GOODMAN: Do you believe in the death penalty?

GORE VIDAL: No. But in their case, yes.

...


Enough said.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:57 AM
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59. Yes, I too wish that there were a lot more journalists like KO,
who spoke truth to power to the American people. Things would change here fast.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:22 AM
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60.  Time for change
Time for change

Yes, it would absolutely change many thing very fast.. Maybe to fast for the right wing, so the REAL USA could wake up again..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:24 AM
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61. Thanks for posting!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:32 AM
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62. ttt
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