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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:14 PM
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HARPER'S (7/29/07): Prescott Bush was "key liaison" w/Nazis in 1934 "Plot Against America"
Edited on Thu May-15-08 02:35 PM by leveymg
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651


TITLE 1934: The Plot Against America
DEPARTMENT No Comment
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED July 28, 2007

I’m back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. It’s the story of the Plot Against America. I don’t mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Can’t Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.

In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.

The Plot Against America portrayed in this episode of the BBC series “Document” gives fascinating insight into a dark and little known piece of American history in which the nation stood on the brink of betrayal. The role of the most powerful political dynastic family in the nation’s history in this whole affair is shocking.



Some of the other prominent figures in American finance and industry involved in this coup plot were "leading officers of the Morgan and Du Pont empires. This included some of America's richest and most famous names of the time:

Irenee Du Pont - Right-wing chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the organization assigned to execute the plot.
Grayson Murphy - Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J.P. Morgan banks.
William Doyle - Former state commander of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
John Davis - Former Democratic presidential candidate and a senior attorney for J.P. Morgan.
Al Smith - Roosevelt's bitter political foe from New York. Smith was a former governor of New York and a codirector of the American Liberty League.
John J. Raskob - A high-ranking Du Pont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party. In later decades, Raskob would become a "Knight of Malta," a Roman Catholic Religious Order with a high percentage of CIA spies, including CIA Directors William Casey, William Colby and John McCone.
Robert Clark - One of Wall Street's richest bankers and stockbrokers.
Gerald MacGuire - Bond salesman for Clark, and a former commander of the Connecticut American Legion. MacGuire was the key recruiter to General Butler." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/27/112936/440 ; http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Coup.htm

BOTTOM LINE: When you put together the new National Archives evidence contained in the BBC report referenced by Klein and Horton with the older material published about Gen. Butler, we now have solid sourcing to establish the following:

In 1934, Prescott Bush conspired with leading figures on Wall St. to form an alliance with Nazi Germany in an attempt to overthrow FDR.

Treason.

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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:16 PM
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1. Kick & Rec'd
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:21 AM
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54. Also, NYT (04/14/1990), G.H.W. Bush stated: "People 'ought to forgive' Germans for the Holocaust"
Edited on Fri May-16-08 09:23 AM by leveymg
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE7DA163EF937A25757C0A966958260&scp=1&sq=Bush%20Forgive&st=nyt


Upheaval in the East;
On Forgiving the Germans


Published: April 14, 1990

Invoking the spirit of Good Friday and Easter, President Bush said today that people ''ought to forgive'' Germans for the Holocaust but should not forget history's lessons.

Invoking the spirit of Good Friday and Easter, President Bush said today that people ''ought to forgive'' Germans for the Holocaust but should not forget history's lessons.

''I'm one who believes in forgiveness,'' Mr. Bush said aboard Air Force One en route to a meeting with Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher of Britain. ''And this is a good day for forgiveness for those with faith.''

On Thursday the newly formed East German Government formally recognized Germany's responsibility for the systematic genocide carried out by the Nazis in World War II, including the deaths of six million Jews and untold numbers of Gypsies and others, and asked for forgiveness.

''Should we forgive them?'' a reporter asked Mr. Bush today.

''Most of the teachings have ample room for forgiveness and moving on,'' he said, adding that people should ''not forget, necessarily, because I think you learn from history, learn what not to do wrong.''

''But,'' he said, ''I think, I'm a Christian and I think forgiveness is something that I feel very strongly about.'' Mr. Bush added that he was making ''a personal observation.''

''That's not a statement for our country,'' he said.


A case of special pleading (arguing the case to your own advantage), Poppy.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:01 PM
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71. It takes a big Episcopalian to forgive the massacre of Jews, Roma, leftists and gays.
:sarcasm:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:18 PM
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2. Ditto on the K&R -- I think everyone is aware of this except W. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:23 PM
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3. EXCEPT W?
He's the fucking heir apparent to the coup.

What do you think the last 8 years has been all about?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:29 PM
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7. I have to agree that he knows. He's an idiot for making that statement.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:39 PM
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12. Man - you're so right - what was I thinking?
It's just odd to me that knowing his heritage, he'd even WHISPER the subject, opening himself and his family up to just this type of criticism.


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:47 PM
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16. He's heavily medicated, impulsive, and stupid.
Definitely the dimmest bulb in the family.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:12 AM
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56. He does it frequently
He and the rest of Bushco find it convenient to accuse their enemies of what they themselves are doing. I think it amuses them. The stupid people try to defend themselves, and the smart ones say "no, that's what you're doing!"

The problem is, when the smart people do that, Bushco says "So? What are you gonna do about it? Get back to work, slave."
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:03 AM
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52. That is exactly 100% correct. The "Business Plot" is being enacted right now.
Except not through a coup, but as a matter of national policy.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:56 AM
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49. Right Gateley, you are so right. And that is the first thing I thought about when
the "appeasement" story broke out. I just wish Tweety could have broght it up last night.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:43 AM
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65. No kidding - talk about a HUGE glass house!
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:43 AM
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66. No kidding - talk about a HUGE glass house!
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:26 PM
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4. BushCo and cronies are still carrying on the legacy they inherited from their forebearers.
That is why the comparision of the Fascism in this country today, and that which existed in Germany in the 30s and 40's in NOT inappropriate.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:27 PM
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5. k&r
The world needs to see this again and again.
Then since McSame does not deny him, it falls on him as well.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:28 PM
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6. k&r
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:29 PM
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8. Every generation of Bushes since has tried to do the same thing.
Do we see a pattern here?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:30 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:34 PM
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10. Richard McGarrah Helms and Dr. Sydney Gottlieb of the CIA
Edited on Thu May-15-08 02:35 PM by seemslikeadream

all those PAPERCLIP Nazis that were in the foundation of the US National Security Act of 1947, the original intelligence failure.
http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

The ghost of Hitler in the CIA.



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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:44 PM
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14. Add DCI Allan Dulles and James J. Angleton, Chief of CIA Counter-Intelligence
Edited on Thu May-15-08 02:49 PM by leveymg
James admitted to intelligence writer Joe Trento that Allan Dulles gave him the job as head of CIA security in exchange for exempting "Dulles and 60 of his closest friends" from polygraphs and full background investigations. Many of these were, of course, the OSS officials who oversaw Project Paperclip and Sunshine, which permitted the old Nazis to escape justice and enter the new Gehlen Org.

The Bushes been in on this since the very beginning. They ran the bank accounts in New York and Mexico City that were used to transfer funds looted by the Nazis from Europe.

That's how "intelligence failures" happen.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:06 PM
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28. Check this out. Where the U.S. set up the provisional German government.
The I.G. Farben building in Frankfurt am Main. U.S, intelligence apparatus, CIA, NSA, Army intelligence all out of this building. It's where the U.S. set up the German Federal government. Bonn was the puppet capital, this building was the real capital during the Cold War. CIA also put Richard Gehlan in charge of the new BND German Intelligence Service, he was head of Hitler's intelligence gathering organization on the Eastern Front as well.


From wikipedia, I know, I know... It's sourced elsewhere though too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben_Building

From 1945 to 1947, the IG Farben Building was the location of the Supreme Headquarters, Allied European Forces, and was the headquarters for the US occupation forces and Military Governor. On May 10, 1947, permanent orders to military personnel prohibited further reference to the building as the "IG Farben Building", and instead called for it to be referred to as "The Headquarters Building, European Command".<6>

The United States High Commissioner for Germany (HICOG) and his staff occupied the building from 1949 to 1952.

After 1952, the building served as the European centre of the American armed forces and the headquarters of the 5th US-Corps. It later became the headquarters for the Northern Area Command until 1994. The IG Farben Building was also the headquarters of the CIA in Germany, which led to its sobriquet 'the Pentagon of Europe'. On April 16, 1975, the US army renamed the building the General Creighton W. Abrams Building.<6> The renaming did not have full authority in law, because the US was technically leasing the building from the German government and thus was not the rightful owner.


Renaming controversy

The university's tenancy of the building sparked a debate regarding the name of the building. Former University President Werner Meissner had started the controversy by renaming it the "Poelzig-Ensemble" (Poelzig-Complex); to him, renaming the building would free it from associations with Nazism. Students and, in increasing numbers, members of the faculty insisted on confronting the building's history by retaining its original name, the "IG Farben Building". Meissner's successor, Rudolf Steinberg, upheld the university's decision to retain the name; however, he did not enforce a uniform nomenclature within the university's administration. After the grand opening of the building in 2001, AStA chairman Wulfila Wido Walter objected to the "misuse of Hans Poelzig" <14> and proposed leaving the name of the main building unchanged, and calling the smaller casino building the "Poelzig Casino"; this proposal won little support. By 2004, the “Poelzig-Ensemble” proposal had become a moot point—the debate was overtaken by strong political lobbying for an appropriate commemoration and memorial of remembrance: Vice President Brita Rank set up a permanent exhibition inside the building, and a memorial plaque—for the slave labourers of IG Farben and those who had perished by Zyklon B gas—was installed on the front of the building.<2> The Senate of the University agreed on a joint initiative by the student senator of the German Green Party, David Profit, and Angelika Marx the senator of the United Services Union, to name a place on the new campus's western end after the former slave labourer Norbert Wollheim.<2>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Org#Gehlen_Org

Gehlen Organization
The Gehlen Organization was pivotal in supplying the West with intelligence on Warsaw Pact nations. The organization infiltrated these countries and tried to foment uprisings against Soviet control, while supporting other groups opposed to Soviet rule. The CIA worked closely with the Gehlen group: the Gehlen Organisation supplied the manpower while the CIA supplied the material needs of the clandestine operations, such as money and airplanes.

A successful mission was Operation Crossword, which infiltrated some 5,000 anti-communists of Eastern European and Russian ancestry. These agents were given espionage training at a camp named Oberammergau. Another mission by the Gehlen Organization was "Operation Rusty" that carried out counter-espionage activities directed against dissident German organizations in Europe.

The mission of the Gehlen Organization was severely compromised by communist moles within the organization itself and within the CIA and the British MI6, particularly Harold "Kim" Philby. The WIN mission to Poland was a complete failure due to the compromising of the mission by counter-spies; as it turned out, the so-called Fifth Command of WIN organization within Poland had been created by the Soviet intelligence services in the first place.

Despite these setbacks, the Gehlen Organization was successful in discovering the secret Soviet assassination unit known as SMERSH. They also assisted in the successful Berlin Tunnel which was constructed under the Berlin Wall to monitor East German and Soviet electronic communications.

The Gehlen Organization employed hundreds of ex-Nazis, among them Alois Brunner, who was responsible for the Drancy internment camp near Paris, is responsible for the death of 140,000 Jews, and is believed to be still alive as of 2007 <5>; the CIA turned a blind eye, and indeed actively participated in some cases, because of the exigencies of the Cold War. According to Robert Wolfe, historian at the US National Archives, "US army intelligence accepted Reinhard Gehlen's offer to furnish alleged expertise on the Red Army — and was bilked by the many mass murderers he hired." <6>
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:38 PM
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11. Why haven't we learned from our mistakes?
"...FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters."
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:46 PM
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15. Well, we'll have an opportunity to go after Dubya's Gang after 01/20/2009
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:54 PM
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17. John Edwards for Attorney General.
:thumbsup:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:42 PM
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13. kick and rec
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:10 PM
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18. Excellent. Good work. But...
...no Bush is running for office.

Can anyone provide clear connections between the Nazis and the GOP?

I'm not being sarcastic this time. I seriously think it's an important question to ask, since no Bush is running for office and the GOP are trying to run from their current policies and fundamental beliefs. (See the GOP reaction to their recent losses in Illinois, Louisiana and Mississippi)

It is in the best interests of the GOP to distance themselves from the Bushes (at least on TV) and other clear embodiments of failure, such as Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Tom DeLay, etc.

They are currently trying to "rebrand" themselves by:
1. calling all offenses by republicans as "isolated incidents"
2. calling all "isolated incidents" in the past
3. pushing "libertarianism" as the "new conservatism"
4. proclaiming the "new conservatism" is vastly different from any of those "isolated incidents" (since they're in the past)
5. hoping no one will remember and link their new incarnation to their past crimes

Not to dismiss the real reporting done for this story, but without a clear connection between the Nazis and the GOP party as a whole, we're just going to get the same fascism in a prettier package.
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Finishline42 Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:56 PM
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19. Check out John Loftus book "Secret War Against the Jews"
Check out John Loftus book "Secret War Against the Jews", I caught John in a speech in St Pete, Nov 2000, on Cspan2 talking about how Prescott Bush and John Herbert Walker were directors in the Union Bank New York City. Bank was owned by Thyssen who started that bank and ones in Berlin and Holland after WWI. Thyssen was upset at the huge war reparations he had to pay just because he was on the losing side in WWI and was determined not to make the same mistake again.

Anyway, the Union Bank in NYC was the major conduit of capital into Germany in the 30's. When our economy was broken, the major industrialist in the US were funneling money to fund the Nazi's buildup.

Bank was disolved in the early 50's and Prescott and JH Walker got big going away presents $500,000.

Thyssen was kept in prison after WWII by the Allies, they wanted to know where his $$$ was. Said he was broke. Now the company is ThyssenKrupp and worth somewhere around $100b. Hid all the assets in a shell game.

More here:

http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm



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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:26 PM
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20. Thank you.
But, it seems you have shown more connection between the Bush family and the Nazis.

Im looking for connections between the GOP party and the Nazis. Not similarities, but connections like the OP posted about the Bush family.
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Finishline42 Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:12 PM
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22. Here's three
Allen Dulles
John Foster Dulles
James Angleton

Here's a review of Loftus book - http://www.samizdat.com/rinkreview20.html

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:26 AM
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37. Most Nazis have died off, but it is the fascist strategies that we need to look out for...

Warning Americans of the terrorist events that will happen in the US if a Democrat is elected is straight out of the Strategy of Tension playbook. Recall that the Reichstag Fire was blamed on Communists which caused Germans to rally around Hitler, allowing him to suspend civil liberties, intimidate political rivals, and pass the Enabling Act which allowed him to become dictator.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:04 AM
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40. GOP leadership today have several direct connections back to the Fifth Columnists of the 1930s
Edited on Fri May-16-08 06:18 AM by leveymg
First, the Dulles Bros, John Foster and Allan, who headed the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell, represented most of the largest corporations that did business with Nazi Germany, including the banks, mining and transportation companies managed by Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker. That circle went on to run U.S. foreign policy during the Eisenhower Administration.

Nixon, Ike's Vice President, was a Dulles protege. Nixon and Ford appointed Poppy Bush head of the RNC and then as CIA Director during the mid-1970s. Cheney and Rumsfeld got their spurs as Nixon-Ford era national security apparachiks.

There's a direct line at the Bush 43 Administration back to the Dulles Bros., Prescott Bush, and the other American Fifth Columnists who ran the GOP in the 1930s. McCain and the rest of the GOP machine today are their chief accomplices.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:08 AM
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45. Carla Binion chronicled the connections.
Ms. Binion helps put together important research on the NAZI-GOP connection by Christopher Simpson and Russ Bellant:



A Fresh Look

by Carla Binion
Nazis and the Republican Party

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were
given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions
in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not
come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda
did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the
Republican Party.

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for
their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi
employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After
Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own
protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and
helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.

Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that
Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as
adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate
Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week,
disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The
article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.

According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:

1.Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a
member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust
denier, Austin App.

2.Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush."
Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.

3.Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.

4.Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.

5.Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi
groups.

6.Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukrainians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish
wartime pogroms.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm



Things have only gotten worse, as many of these treasonous turds' ideological descendants have gone "legit."
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:42 PM
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73. Octafish, I think this needs to be its own OP somewhere
thanks
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:29 AM
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59. They've had 60 years to distance themselves.
They certainly did in the '30s

http://www.amazon.com/American-Axis-Henry-Charles-Lindbergh/dp/0312335318

But like the opportunists they are, they keep looking for that perfect business-friendly totalitarian theocracy
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 04:28 PM
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21. Amazing. Bush has got a lot of balls for calling other people Nazis
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:45 PM
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32. Arrogance doesn't = balls
It usually = cowardice
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Narkos Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:01 PM
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85. True true. Bad metaphor
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:18 PM
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23. "a retired prominent general" - Marine Gen. Smedley Butler
Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye," was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

During his 34 years of Marine Corps service, Butler was awarded numerous medals for heroism including the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (the highest Marine medal at its time for officers), and subsequently the Medal of Honor twice. Notably, he is one of only 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, and one of only three to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two different actions.

In addition to his military career, Smedley Butler was noted for his outspoken anti-interventionist views, and his book War is a Racket. His book was one of the first works describing the workings of the military-industrial complex and after retiring from service, he became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.

In 1934, he informed the United States Congress that a group of wealthy industrialists had plotted a military coup known as the Business Plot to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:20 PM
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24. "The Business Plot" to overthrow FDR
The Business Plot (also known as the Plot Against FDR or the White House Putsch) was a political conspiracy in 1933 where several wealthy businessmen and corporations planned to overthrow the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Details of the plot came to light in early 1934, when retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testified before the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional Committee.<1> In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations of the existence of the plot,<2> but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten.

Major General Butler claimed that the American Liberty League was the plot's primary source of funding. The main backers were the Du Pont family, as well as leaders of U.S. Steel, General Motors, Standard Oil, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. The 2007 BBC radio documentary The White House Coup<3> alleged that Prescott Bush, father and grandfather to the 41st and 43rd US Presidents respectively, was also connected with the plot.<3>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:43 PM
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25. Who tired to overthrow the United States government?
REPUBLICANS!

Who brought us Watergate? REPUBLICANS!

Who gave us Iran/Contra? REPUBLICANS!

Who did not heed the warnings of 9/11? REPUBLICANS!

Who lied us into a war of aggression? REPUBLICANS!

Who fiddled while New Orleans drowned? REPUBLICANS!

Who illegally spied on their own citizens? Say it with me: REPUBLICANS!


This should be our message. We have let these evil bastards off the hook time and time again. No more! If our country is to stand for anything they must be held accountable.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:57 AM
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50. RIGHT ON

this is my attitude as well.

i want JUSTICE.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:49 PM
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26. Maybe someone should ask his grandson about it. K&R n/t
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:20 PM
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27. The History Channel has a documentary titled, “Search Of History - The Plot To Overthrow FDR”
...they talk about how Prescott Bush, Nazi financier and grandfather to George, was one of the plotters for this coup.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:45 PM
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34. Prescott's son George Sr. did exactly that to Jimmy Carter.
I think Jimmy fully understands that now. Which is why he appears so pissed recently. I have never seen that man angry until now. He is livid.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:30 PM
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29. I guess this makes George Bush the biggest asscarrot that has ever been pulled out of a pigs ass....
Edited on Thu May-15-08 11:31 PM by L0oniX
for what he said in Israel about appeasing the enemy.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:42 PM
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30. Bush/Cheney have sold out the US to the wealthiest profiteers who have made a fortune off Iraq and 9
9/11. Every single person connected with the planning and the invasion of Iraq have made millions while denying they would make a profit from it...every single one... from Feith to Pearlman to Wolfowitch to Rumsfeld etc. Traitors all.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:43 PM
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31. literally, a family of Nazi sympathizers
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:04 AM
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35. k&r n/t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:13 AM
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36. Fascism and Treason : Bush Family Traditions.
:puke:
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:26 AM
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38. Democrats are dopes, aren't we? When I spoke about this in 2000, I was labelled "Tinfoil"
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:12 AM
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46. Denigrating truth-tellers is how the Reich maintains the illusion.
Goes back to Jim Garrison, the only government official to bring charges of conspiracy in the assassination of President Kennedy:

Countering Criticism of the Warren Report
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:54 AM
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39. Audio of this still available on the BBC website:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:24 AM
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41. K&R
Kick it up
&
Recommend
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:48 AM
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42. Yip.
Yip, yip, yip.

The Boosh Crime Famly got no soul.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:57 AM
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43. K&R!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:07 AM
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44. K&R!
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:21 AM
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47. That description is total rubbish! It wasn't "federal investigators" at all
It was Smedley Butler, all by himself. And he took vast amounts of heat for his bravery, too.

The whitewashing and sanitizing is just despicable. "No, people, it was the Brave Federal Investigators, not any demented old half-socialist ex-general. Now sit down and watch tv. Your government is in charge and nothing can go wrong."

Feh!

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:16 AM
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58. Hah... is that so?
Not surprising if it is. Far from it.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:27 AM
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48. was the Preznit 'projecting?'
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:00 AM
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51. It's about goddamn time the MSM started reporting on this
The Bush family have been Fascist supporters since Prescott's coup attempt.

In 2000 W finally pulled off the Coup that his Grandfather wanted
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:13 AM
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53. Never to be hushed up, The Bush Family Legacy of plotting treason, murder, sedition....
Question:

Will the two entrenched political party business system
set up by the Founding Feudal Fathers
continue to function as a corporate republic?
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:41 AM
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55. A shameless plug.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 10:07 AM by sofa king
Some of you interested in this story might like to pick over the many links I've included in the online version of an article from Gone Magazine's March edition.

http://www.myspace.com/gonemagazine

For those of you lucky enough to live in the beautiful Shenandoah Valley, you can pick up your free copy of Gone Magazine at random coffee shops, bars, record stores and tattoo parlors... so long as we can afford to keep printing it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:15 AM
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57. In HARPERS? That's encouraging...
Let's hope it gets wide and prolonged coverage in the media, like Wright did.

Hah, I crack myself up.
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:11 PM
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77. Yup.
n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:04 PM
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86. Hey, welcome to DU!
:hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:33 AM
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60. But I though it was Obama?
:P
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:48 AM
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61. This should be on the front page of EVERY news site ...
... right next to the YouTube Clip of Georgie Porgie's out-fucking-rageous speech in Israel.

Or perhaps some enterprising DU video geek can put together a montage of his comments playing over photos, newsclips etc of the BFEE-Nazi connections.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:51 AM
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62. too bad there was no retaliation
extreme short-sightedness to scrub the records and not prosecute the traitors. 70+ years later, we again have a congress reluctant to prosecute the heirs of the madness. Only this time, the heirs are strutting their success.

So since there were democrats in the middle of the plot, why do they hate them so?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:58 AM
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63. awesome!
K&R! Thanks for posting and thank you Harper's! :hi:
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:13 AM
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64. A lovely piece of reading material...
Sure to make the mainstream media...someday, when hell freezes over.
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Cieran Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:45 AM
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67. K & R
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flashsmith Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:54 AM
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68. Nazi Hydra: Good overview
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html Guys been adding to it for years.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:55 AM
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69. General Butler bought us more time, it took one generation for his efforts to be reversed.
Butler's army was real and came close to actual combat. I remember the stories my grandfather told me of this almost coup. The bonus marchers were really angry at the massacre in Washington D.C. and were ready to fight.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:56 AM
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70. Send this and the BBC audio to KO, Air America and
every other progressive media.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:11 PM
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72. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army
Blackwater
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:48 PM
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74. Lets get this 1,000 recomends. nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:52 PM
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75. And his son was eating breakfast with Osama Bin Laden's family the morning of 9/11

The Bush family always seems to be hooking up with the family of terrorists and Nazi's. What is up with that?
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:59 PM
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76. They've always been scumbags....
Like Grandpa, like Dad, like son....except that with each generation they've become more deranged.

Who's the Nazi appeaser now Shrub?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:12 PM
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78. K&R. Our president is the grandson of a Nazi
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:11 PM
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87. yeppers! nt
:hi:
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:20 PM
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79.  Great Post! Thank You! --'War Is a Racket'
:patriot: Smedley Butler :kick:

'War Is A Racket'
"It always has been
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes." More...



War Is A Racket
A speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

:dem: Audio Documentary -with Transcript- (Runtime 29 Minutes)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:36 PM
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80. and where was averell harriman,...
...deomcratic party scion, in this story? partner in hamburg-american lines, as i recall.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:28 PM
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81. The Republican ideology is still fascist!
Nothing has changed except that the methods have been refined. The degree to which they control the media is frightening. While Limbaugh rages on about The Liberal Media he is the very voice of fascism. As in 1930s Germany there is little suspicion by the masses.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:30 PM
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82. this needs to come out more and more.
let's bring Prescott Bush skeletons out of the closet. Send the story to all corporate media networks. I sent Larisa's article to NBC Nightly News. Does anyone know if Bill Moyers ever touched on this subject.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:47 PM
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83. kick
eom
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:41 PM
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84. Kick!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:48 PM
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88. must....
kick! :hi:
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