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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:06 PM
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Trapped by Web loan with the 842% interest rate
I thought this sort of thing was illegal!!

Rochelle Parker needed money for Christmas gifts and medicine, so she went online and found a Web site promising easy money. After a few key punches she was zapped a $300 loan, but one that charged an astonishing 842 percent annual interest.

The recently retired fingerprint technician for the Chicago Police Department had several other online loans that drained her financially and forced her to move in with her daughter. But getting another loan was so easy on the Internet.

"As my mother said, I'm robbing Peter to pay Paul," Parker said with a shake of her head and a sigh of regret.

People like Parker are falling through one of the newest trapdoors in the cash-strapped economy—online payday loans. Such loans typically were the province of payday loan storefronts that cater mostly to the working poor and low-middle-income workers, short on cash until payday. Now online loans are spreading to the middle class as a result of rising gasoline and food prices, tightening credit, the subprime mortgage fallout and the ease of home computer access to the Web.

The cashed-out economy
"It's insane. It is growing like wildfire," said Henry Coffey, a Baltimore-based stock analyst who tracks the payday loan industry. One factor in the growth of online loans, which charge as much as 2,000 percent interest, is that they effectively hook borrowers into cycles of debt, often forcing people to take second and third loans to cover ballooning debts."If you are paying over 1,800 percent interest, you will never get out of that debt," said Elizabeth Schomburg, an official with Family Credit Managing Services, a Rockford-based credit counseling agency. Nonetheless, she said she has seen borrowers try to beat the odds and take out "three, five, six or eight loans."

With the sinking economy pinching consumers' wallets, analysts like Coffey consider the Internet loans a bright spot for investors, and he points to a company like Ft. Worth-based Cash America International Inc. It began offering online loans only two years ago, and last year those transactions accounted for nearly 60 percent of its loan revenues of $322.7 million. The company has an online operation in Illinois as well as 18 storefronts.

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John Van Alst, an attorney for the National Consumer Law Center in Washington, D.C., said lenders gain access to accounts by requesting from the bank a "remotely created check." That allows them draw money, even on closed accounts, he said.

Internet loans often cost $30 for each $100 borrowed, Fox said, and the high numbers quickly add up, even without additional fees. To cite one example, a payday loan for $182.68 at 573.57 percent will cost someone $557.58 a month later. The money is promptly electronically drafted from the customer's checking account.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-payday-loans-may11,0,6075560.story?track=rss
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:08 PM
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1. personal choices often have consequences don' they. She needs a government bailout nt
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:13 PM
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4. Of course, taking out one of these loans is a BAD idea...
The point is that people are getting desperate. They feel trapped and scared.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 10:23 AM
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22. Ppl are getting desperate? To buy Christmas gifts? I don't think so.
Edited on Sun May-11-08 10:24 AM by Nay
Desperate is when you can't eat or hold on to your house. Any idiot who borrows money to buy something stupid like Christmas presents deserves a slap to the head.

Having said that, I also believe that usury laws should be put back in full force, and fuck that asshole Reagan. He is indeed the jerk who started that.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:00 PM
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26. The Christmas story was an unfortunate example.
Of course that type of borrowing is idiotic.

Still, the point is that more and more people form the middle class are now also looking at these loans because they are desperate to pay bills.

AND THIS TYPE OF LENDING SHOULD NOT BE LEGAL!!!!

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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:54 PM
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5. Who would Jesus fleece?
Christianity forbade usury for hundreds of years.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:12 PM
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2. It was called "Loan Sharking" and until Raygun was illegal.
Now in the "New and Improved Amerika 2.0" it is just business as usual. Congratulations you DLCThirdWayBlueDogRaygun Democrats, you fucked us and yourselves but good.
:grr:



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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:13 PM
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3. There once were usury rules.
The lender needs a bailout when she can't pay.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:32 PM
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21. There's a lot of rules-lawyering around those these days
Even if there's a limit on interest rates, a lot of these guys will tack on other things in the form of a variety "service fees" based on a percentage of the loan and added regularly. In my neck of the woods one of them got shut down after stacking on so many of those that they were effectively charging five-digit interest rates.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:59 PM
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6. Predatory lending should be illegal...
Edited on Sat May-10-08 07:01 PM by and-justice-for-all
That lender should be shut down and Mrs. Parkers debt, along with whom ever else fell into the trap, wiped clear and free.

Payday loan places should also be illegal and forced to close. They do nothing but trap people into destructive debt.
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coriolis Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:05 PM
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7. The federal government should declare all debt void!
I just want 48 hours notice.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:32 PM
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8. Your notice started 47 hours and 59 minutes ago
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coriolis Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:49 PM
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9. Cool! Gave me just enough time to buy a Cessna Citation X on credit!
:D :D :D
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:54 PM
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10. Unfortunately, Obama is against a cap on interest rates.
Obama voted against the Datyon amendment:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/16/14853/9001
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:59 PM
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12. Well, with Congress in Dem control, they could try to send him the bill when he's in the WH.
If he threatens to veto it, tack it onto something he will be hard-pressed to veto, like a bill for financial aid to college students or more money for occupying Iraq.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:03 PM
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13. He's for a lower cap than 30%
And I have personally told you that and yet you keep posting your lie. Why??
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:08 PM
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14. Link? NT
NT
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:12 PM
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15. Almost 4 months ago
and who knows how many times and how many people in between.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3162164
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:16 PM
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16. I didn't see any quotes from Obama there, just speculation by DUers.
Anyway, if Obama does want a lower cap than 30%, he should have still voted for the amendment to help a little.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:20 PM
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17. He wasn't going to support phony reform
And whenever somebody posts something that is counter to what I believe to be true on a topic, I research it myself. Don't you?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:27 PM
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19. I've tried to find an explanation from Obama himself....
...on why he voted against Senator Mark Dayton's amendment to cap credit card interest rates, but I haven't.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:31 PM
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20. obama interest too high
"I thought 30% potentially was too high of a ceiling."

http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2008_CBC_Dems_Budget_+_Economy.htm

That was sooooo hard to find. :eyes:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:58 PM
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11. Doesn't payday lenders sort of sound like crack dealers building a "customer base"?
"...they effectively hook borrowers into cycles of debt, often forcing people to take second and third loans to cover ballooning debts."

Replace "debt" with addiction.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:24 PM
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18. these should be outlawed pure and simple
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thunderdog Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 10:42 AM
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23. Another example which proves that there is indeed a sucker born every minute.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 11:05 AM
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24. very true that a sucker is born every minute -- the question is: should
we allow rampant ripping off of people just because they're suckers? My answer is no, but I suspect yours might be yes.
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thunderdog Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:12 PM
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28. Of course not; nevertheless, as long as there are suckers,
the unscrupulous will endeavor to take advantage of them.

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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:35 PM
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27. That's the only reason the Republican Party exists
The rich and powerful get suckers that actually work for a living and pay taxes to side with those that do neither.
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thunderdog Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:16 PM
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29. Actually, I think one could argue that we are all suckers when it comes to politics.
Then again, I don't expect anything to change, so technically speaking, I am not a sucker.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 11:17 AM
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25. This should be illegal.
842% interest for a $300 loan? What the fuck???
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