TLC's Duggar family with 17 children & PREGNANT again!

[Duppers]

Discovery Health Channel is advertising the Duggar family again - with 17 children!!

And the mother is pregnant AGAIN! Oh, happy mother's day, oh yeah!! What are these people thinking?

I just wrote to them:
'Regarding the DUGGAR FAMILY. With the population explosion, earth's limited resources, the energy crisis, global warming, it is OUTRAGEOUS that ANYONE would have over two children. PLEASE stop glorifying these people with all these children. It is not responsible programing to give other people the idea that having this many children is in any way reasonable. Please.'


Please join me in a writing campaign to get this insanity off our tee-vee sets.

http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations

Thanks.

(By the way, I am a very responsible and proud mother of one.)

[SacredCow]

1. Yet again...

What else needs to be said?

[JDPriestly]

3. Poor kids!

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

13. So tell me

How many kids should someone have before they all get labeled 'poor kids'

[Duppers]

22. really!

ROFLMAO!

[Richardo]

2. That doesn't seem like a very 'pro-choice' stance to me...

Seems to me like 'reproductive rights' should go both ways. :shrug:

[Duppers]

8. oh, IF this were the 1700's , IF we didn't have 6.5 Billion people

on the face of this planet

If the earth had UN-limited resources,

If there were no population explosion,

If there were no energy crisis,

IF there was no such thing as global warming,

Then, yes, perhaps. Besides, it is my thinking that no couple can possible have any depth of a relationship with 18 different children.

http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations


Do you honestly think that any mother with 18 children can possible have the resources and passion to treat each child with the care and concern that Mr. Keillor describes below? For that matter, she cannot even know her children that well.


"The cruel injustice of motherhood is that, out of devotion to her brood, she sacrifices so much of her own life that her children grow up to find her a little boring in comparison to the maiden aunt who is a little rebellious and more fun to be around, whereas Mom is just the lady who runs the vacuum. As Erma Bombeck said, the kids walk in and ask her, "Is anybody home?"

But she loves you. You could come home with snakes tattooed on your face and she still would see the good in you. Most great men were mama's boys. She encouraged them long before anybody else could see any talent there.

Your mother is on top of the situation. Your father has a hard time remembering your birthday or even your Christian name, but your mother knows you by scent, thanks to years of doing your laundry. She knows when you're in trouble. And you will get into deep trouble someday. Count on it.

Someone will file a lawsuit against you and subpoena your e-mail and it will all come flooding out, your dark secrets, your nefarious dealings, and your friends will cross the street to avoid you and your brothers and sisters will fade into the woodwork, but your mother will still love you. Like an old lioness, she'll come running even if you're two thousand miles away.

That is why you pay homage to the old lady on Mother's Day. You entered this cold world causing her more pain than she thought possible and now she won't ever give up on you. Those old ladies you see being wheeled onto airliners are the mothers of children facing imminent indictment for terrible things. Mama will be in the courtroom for you, baby. She will look the jury in the eye and her look may get you acquitted.

Buy her something nice for Mother's Day this spring, like a set of gold ingots. Or a black car with a chauffeur. She's your mama, honeybuns. At least you could write her a note."

- Garrison Keillor


With 18 children, I am sure the father will have "a hard time remembering your birthday or even your Christian name.."

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

23. What bunk...

United States — Population: 301,139,947
Duggrar Family- Population: 20 (counting the coming baby)

Dugger percentage of the us population - .0000664%
DadOf2s % (married two kids = 4) - .0000133%

Difference in Percentage of population - .0000531%

These people are *not* breaking the bank

--

On to the second load of crap you're posting:

"it is my thinking that no couple can possible have any depth of a relationship with 18 different children."

Hmm she stays at home with fewer kids than are in a public school classroom. Ive know only kids who were latch key kids that had less of a relationship with their parents than these kids probably do. Secondly these kids are all of different ages her older sons (late teens) have a whole different set of needs than the babies and toddlers.

Your argument is s slap in the face of the working poor who probably don't get the time to get to know their kids who have to pour out so much just to provide the basics that they dont know their kids, maybe they should not breed..

"With 18 children, I sure the father will have "a hard time remembering your birthday or even your Christian name..""

My father had seven and he knew me better than some of my friends who had only one or two siblings.. As to the birthdays some husbands forget anniversaries is it because there are to many?

[Duppers]

24. can you defend us ALL doing this??

No effect, uh?

WITH DUE RESPECT TO YOUR DAD, and I sure he was wonderful (no sarcasm), I call your bullcrap that this behavior will not affect the planet if we all do this.

Besides, there is such a thing as cheap birth control that we all can afford.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

26. If we are *all* doing this then lets talk

If a particular family is doing it they are not criminals or neglectful. I would never want that many kids 5 is the max for me (if I even get that high)..


--

They don't want birth control, they would like kids

[Duppers]

27. sir, that was my point.

This is irresponsible programming because people would assume that this is a great thing that others should do.

(please read my edits above.)

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

29. Ive watched the show

And it in no way made we want to have more kids... Its not irresponsible to look at different family types (you know diversity) and say look here is this type of family..

[Duppers]

34. dad of Angels

I must tell you that I grew up in a larger (not that large) family and my mother worked her butt off, at her job and at home. She didn't have the time to really know any of us well and she still doesn't. Yet, she vehemently defends, to this day, her 'decision' not to have used birth control. I know because I have challenged her poor choice / her poor decision IMO.

My opinions here are born of the knowledge of the dire situation of our planet in crisis and
of the dire lack of attention and care I received as a child. I know of what I speak.

[Book Lover]

38. Your experience is not universal, though

My mother's best friend had 17 children. She stayed at home while the dad worked (USPS). The kids I know best, the ones closest to me in age, never spoke about neglect or overwork being a problem at home, and I believe we all had some pretty frank discussions about their home life. Your mom's choice may have been a poor one for her, her husband, and her family, but it is not automatically a bad choice for every woman and family on the planet.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

39. Well Ill share my background

I am the youngest of seven kids with a mother who worked outside and inside them home. I spent maybe a half hour to 45 minutes a day getting to know her (we would watch the news and talk even dinner was too hectic to really talk), on Sundays she would stop for a lunch after church and we would talk there. I feel I know my mother rather well, I made the effort to do it. My sister, otoh, does not because she wanted to know mom on her own terms. Some of my moms kids know her well others do not and it seems to fall largely on the lines of personality. I also know of what I speak.

My father worked very hard to provide at a job he hated, did allot of overtime and did little to help around the house, I don't know him as well as I would like but he did make it to every one of my track/cc meets and all my football games (which given the fact I rode the pine in pop warner football is saying something). My pops drove my sis all over the planet as she is a social butterfly. Some of my sibs know dad and some don't, again it falls largely on personality. My dad always rubbed me the wrong way and in the foolishness of youth I swore I knew better..

You may view your mother as having made a poor choice but the might be because you are the person you are, your mother seems to believe her kids were worth the work. My mother does not regret a moment of her kids..

Now onto adulthood and I am married to a woman who gets hyperemesis gravidarum, the also suffers some postpartum depression we have two healthy little girls and if we don't have another Id would be ok with that, still my wife would like to have more so we are taking a couple of years off of having kids to save up for home care in the next pregnancy. Its her choice to have more kids and during that time I will be tired from doing 100% of the after hours house work, working my job, and holding her hands, not to mention her hair, through the pregnancy. Its our choice and just like I don't regret the second baby I don't imagine Ill regret the first.

If one of my kids comes up to me as an adult and talks about how foolish/naive I was I will address that disrespect appropriately, adults get to make their own decisions.

The lack of attention you may have suffered has *nothing* to do with the size of your family there are mothers raising one or two kids who cant get their kids enough attention meanwhile the Duggars, from the few shows I have seen, make sure each kids gets pleany of face time through the week. I did not want for attention from my parents despite how busy they were and sure sometimes they would say, not now I'm tired why don't you go play with your brother, thats life with 1 or 10 kids.

As to the planet in crisis the .00005% of the US population (.000000003% of the world population) is not the problem! the problem is wastefulness by most of the west. The problem is soccer moms with one or two kids who just need the extra space for grocery shopping, with the 5000 foot home for 4 people and yards sprayed with yummy chemicals so they can look extra green. The Duggars have a smaller carbon footprint than John Edwards and per person probably smaller than most of us.. (7000 sq ft home for 20 people is only 350 feet to heat / cool and light per person).

I can see now that your rage has two components the primary one is personal, you hate that family type because of what you perceive it unfairly did to you, its not rare for people from big families to hate them and people from small families to like big families. But when you take that rage and tie it into global concern youre missing the real problem.

[Bluebear]

59. Meh, you're just jealous because they are 16 ahead of you in the angels count

:)

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

61. LOL!!!

:rofl: There is no way Id want that many kids..

[KitchenWitch]

70. But they are being neglectful

Mom does not really do any of the household chores. The household chores are doled out to all of the older GIRLS. The boys, apparently, do not have any responsibilities in this situation.

Mom apparently is just around to get pregnant and give birth.

[Duppers]

71. an ant colony!

Church of the Ants! LOL!

[KitchenWitch]

73. Yeah but only about half the "community" is charged with 100% of the responsibility.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

80. Seriously?

The shows I have seen the boys and girls all have allot of housework to do and the mother most certainly does do chores.

[LiberalArkie]

41. Do your algebra. 18 kids get married and have X children---

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

46. Still bunk..

These 18 kids might all decided to have small families, or not..

My Parents had 7 kids their kids (in order of age had)

2
1
2
4
4 (lost one toddler so had for but only 3 survive)
2 (Might have more)
2 (Might have more)

So thats 17 grandkids from 7 kids (>2.5 kids each)

[coriolis]

60. I can't believe you're defending these assholes who have made their home a "church"

so they don't have to pay taxes. I hope the guy's cock rots off SOON.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

67. I did not know that, and that does piss me off...

Source..

Ill not defend them doing that but I wont take that and use it to condemn their family planning..

--

On edit

Ill add, if I had the opportunity to talk to Mr. Dugger I would ask about rendering to Cesar and Christ focus on the spirit not the letter of laws..

[Richardo]

44. I'll bet one family with 18 kids uses fewer resources than 18 families with one kid

But the real issue is: It is their choice.

[iamthebandfanman]

66. it should go both ways

but so should common sense ;)

i mean, honestly... someone should check in on their mental health to find out the reasoning behind wanting so many kids.

but hey, if they can do it and if they can not neglect any of those children, then more power to them.

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. These people are nutty

Their kids have no personalities and talk like they are stepford children. As a chiild advocate, I say this woman and her husband need to be sterilized.

[Book Lover]

4. I'm pro-choice all the way

Good luck to them all. If that's how they want to live their lives, I wish them well.

[NightWatcher]

5. save some resources for the rest of us

that kind of "freak show" shouldnt be on tv.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

31. If youre so concerned about resources

maybe you should not be burning the electricity on your computer so you can tell others how many kids to have..

[onehandle]

6. frrrrreaks. nt

[RB TexLa]

7. Excuse me if I laugh at the concern expressed over population, energy and global warming problems

caused by their 17 from you and 16 other "responsible and proud mothers of one." :spray:

[Duppers]

10. you're not good at math, are ya?

No science classes either, I bet.

Sarcasm begets sarcasm. :evilgrin:

[RB TexLa]

14. Your concern is not over 17 children's effects on those things?

you and 16 other mothers of one don't have the same effect?

Oh, of course not.

[Duppers]

16. you just proved my point. nt

nt

[RB TexLa]

20. That is your answer? That my saying yours and 16 other children have the same effect as their

17 proves a point of yours? What point does it prove?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

25. What point?

the .00005% higher percent of the population of the duggers vs a family of four is going to break the bank?

Ive seen the show, still I don't want more than 5 kids but I have seen some useful ideas for ways to make things run smoother in the home.

[KansDem]

9. Johann Sebastian Bach had 20 children...

He had no stops on his organ...

(An old musician's joke).

But he really did have 20 children (two wives).

[Duppers]

15. Johann Sebastian Bach, March 1685 – July 1750

My point (see above); it was another time, another century.

[KansDem]

30. Yes, of course.

Point taken.

I was just telling a joke... ;)

[ObamaKerryDem]

11. Haven't these people heard of birth control?

Her birth canal must be a waterslide by now..haha. :D

[TheMightyFavog]

48. Nah, let me illustrate with this metaphor....

Like throwing a toothpick down your average grocery store aisle.

[AlCzervik]

12. pretty soon we'll have more threads on this than there are actual Duggars!

[Duppers]

19. sorry, I did not see the others

but I did search and the last one was back in Feb. Not mine, nor did I post in it.

The reason I posted this one is that I got this damn email this morning about this family from the Discovery Channel. I immediately canceled my subscription.

I'll cease and desist. :)

[LiberalArkie]

17. I believe our tax code should allow for only 2 children to be deducted.

I wonder how much difference that would make.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

32. Trust me

Even with the deductions, kids are *not* a net plus for income! Trust me at the end of the day the decision to have a kid is *not* based on economic concerns..

[Breeze54]

35. You're not so liberal afterall....

They can choose to have as many as they want as long as they can support them.

For Arkansas family, 18's not a crowd

07:02 AM CST on Monday, December 19, 2005

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/121805dntexbigfamily.2bb5559.html

snip-->

"The Duggars didn't start out to have 16 children – or more. Early on, she took birth-control pills. After their first child, son Joshua, was born in 1988, Mrs. Duggar began taking them again. Before long, she suffered a miscarriage they believed was caused by the birth control. "We were just shocked," Mr. Duggar said. "We consider ourselves pro-life. We thought, 'What have we done?'" " They decided to let God determine the size of their family."

They don't have a precise budget, Mr. Duggar said, but it takes about $5,000 a month to operate their household. They live off the rental income from commercial property they own debt-free.

The Duggars live temporarily in a 2,200-square-foot rented house along a busy street, not far from Interstate 540 in this town of about 50,000. They are building – debt-free – a 7,000-square-foot house in nearby Tontitown.

They have no house or car payments and no credit cards. They purchase their clothes at a thrift store that benefits the homeless in northwest Arkansas. They eat out occasionally but take advantage of the dollar menus at fast-food restaurants or the 49-cent children's meals at AQ ("Arkansas Quality") Chicken, a local favorite once frequented by former President Bill Clinton. The three older girls give the boys haircuts.

It's the fruit of a financial freedom seminar Mr. Duggar attended years ago.

More...

[uppityperson]

40. My only issue with them is this part, which seems to take away any personal responsibility for procr

for procreation:
"They decided to let God determine the size of their family."

"God" is responsible, not either of the adults. That is my issue with this.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

42. Well thats their faith

And there is sound biblical ground to support it. Some folks try for years to have kids and can not. My wife and I tried for close to a year and the sure enough when the baby was 7-9 months old despite breast feeding and reduced time for the two of us we up and got pregnant again.

Point is while they believe its God opening her womb for pregnancy they are taking responsibility for the kids!

[uppityperson]

47. Having sex at the right time is what gets her pregnant.

Is that "God"? I consider "God" is in everything and part of everything, and I believe that having unprotected sex when fertile is what determines pregnancy.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

49. Umm how many times have you tried..

Ill say again, some people try for years every day, some people buy the thermometers the testing sticks and all else and still have to try and try and try. You don't have to agree with it I was just pointing out that in their faith its certainly reasonable to say the Lord opens and closes the womb.

The point is they are taking the responsibility for raising the kids, not asking anything from anyone else..

[uppityperson]

50. I agree that they are taking responsibility for raising their kids, but he&she are responsible

for her getting pregnant. "the Lord (may) open and closes the womb" but the man puts the sperm in the right place in the woman at the right time.

[Goblinmonger]

53. Some people think that

they should be able to marry 14 year old girls. it's their religion. when do we draw the line?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

55. When you marry a 14 yo you are violating a law...

Are you saying we should legislate how many people kids can have?

BTW in Texas the age of consent *was* 14 until 2005 but kudos for taking one big family where two people (1) got married at the age of 19, (2) Support themselves without help from the state, (3) where the husband has said if the wife want to stop having kids they will stop having kids, to the FLDS cult... You get mad props for that..

[Goblinmonger]

56. Just wondering where you draw the line

For you, religion does not get discussed unless something is illegal. So you have never said anything bad about RW fundie Christians on DU?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

58. I surely have

I don't like folks pushing their religion on society in the form of laws. My personal religious beliefs while exceedingly rare here on DU my political beliefs are shared by many. Also I have never supported any group using their faith to subvert the rights of others (regarding the FLDS item), thats called a cult not a religion.

Depend on what the person who called someone a 'RW Fundie Christian' are you talking about their theology? well then Ill talk theology with you to try and track that down. If you mean churches who are married to a political party or who subvert the constitutional rights of its members (think Jim Jones or the FLDS) well then chances are I agree with you on them..

[high density]

62. God gave us the knowledge to create and use birth control

I'm sorry but these people are a mix of selfish and crazy.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

69. Do you watch the show?

do you know them personally?

You have no clue how much energy these parents give to their kids...

[high density]

77. No I don't, but I do know if everybody pumped out 18 kids

The world would be in exponentially more pain than it is today.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

81. and if we all had no kids

the human race would be screwed...

I guess its good that different people have different numbers of kids..

[Goblinmonger]

52. and you're not so liberal afterall, either...

so they can choose to do what they want but nobody has the right to say they disagree with that decision? Especially when that family goes on TV? I mean it's not like they have been hiding from the public eye.

[Breeze54]

65. Liberals support the right to choose.

That's how they choose to do it.

You may not like it but that's their choice.

[Goblinmonger]

68. Liberals support the right to speak freely

Yet you would stifle those that are speaking out.

[Breeze54]

72. I didn't "stifle" anyone.... I'm not a mod.

:eyes:

I disagree with people claiming to be liberal and yet they have conservative idea's, imho.
If someone claims to be a liberal, then it seems to me they shouldn't be judging how one
family chooses to have kids or not. They have the right to choose, just as you and I do.

[Goblinmonger]

75. But you are telling someone

that they shouldn't say things because that's not what liberals do.

So judging how one family chooses to have kids or not is not liberal, but judging someone when they say they don't agree with that decision is liberal. I'm confused. Why is it not liberal of me to say I disagree with someone having 18 kids given the limited resources we have on the planet? Why is it not liberal of me to say I think it is silly for our society to glorify these people just because they have a bunch of kids?

[Breeze54]

76. I did not tell them not to say things.

I disagreed with their premise on the tax code and judging a family on their choice.
That family, I'm sure pays lots of property taxes and they don't use public schools,
so, I think they're entitled to their deduction. The limit of 2 kids or their cut off
is a Rethug idea. See Clinton's Welfare "reform". :eyes:

[Goblinmonger]

78. My point is

that you judged them for judging and told them that judging was not liberal but by doing so you were judging but somehow your judging is liberal but their judging is not.

Clear :evilgrin:

[Breeze54]

79. Clear as mud....

But what's good for the goose is good for the gander, or some such thing... :evilgrin:

[LiberalArkie]

83. Or lets look at the math

<http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?no_d2=1&sid=08/05/09/1721239>

""The estimated population of the world will pass 6,666,666,666 today. No doubt an interesting number for people everywhere (not referring to any religion connotations). 5,555,555,555 was passed about 14 years ago. You may not realize that only a 80 years ago, the population of the Earth was only around 2 billion. This shows how the population of the world has increased at an alarming rate in recent times. Although the growth rate is almost half what it was at its peak in 1963, when it was 2.2%. Unrelated but also an interesting coincidence, the estimated number of available IPv4 addresses is getting very close to 666,666,666. It should cross over today as well.""

[murray hill farm]

18. They receive attention because they...

are so rare and unusual. i think there are more couples choosing to have one or two children...or to not have children...and I believe that more and more couples will choose the option of no children, all things considered. These 17 or 18 children will really have little impact...and most people just will react as you all have here, think OMG, these people are nuts (and rich too) and not something couples are going to decide to do too. Aside from that....there are much more important issues in the world today to concern ourselves with than this one couple.

[Duppers]

21. not just this couple

I have neighbors who have 9 children.

What if we ALL did this???? Consequences, ya think? Think about it.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

28. What if everyone in the eastern hemisphere jumped at the same time

Can you imagine the calamity... My gosh we need to shun people who jump..

[murray hill farm]

54. I agree, but

the point that I was making is that we all WILL NOT do this. It is rare and becoming more so as time goes by...that is why these cases are the oddity and why they get attention.

[npincus]

33. Here comes the next one!

[SteelPenguin]

36. Oh Give Me A Break

Anyone who watches that family and thinks "hey that seems like a great idea" either already has a ton of kids, or has none and will change their tune after 1 or 2.

I'm resource consious, but my wife is pregnant with our third, even though we used birth control. We're pro-choice but we don't personally believe in abortion, just in every woman's individual reproductive rights. We didn't mean to have a third child, two was plenty, but we'll be more than happy to welcome a third into our home. This doesn't make us unreasonable or outragous or irresponsible. Shit happens.

To lump us in with people who have gone out of their way to pump out 18 kids, simply because our birth control failed us is kind of lame, imho.

[Duppers]

37. shit happens?

sorry, I couldn't resist.
:evilgrin:

[SteelPenguin]

51. lol

well once they're born we're not gonna look em in the eye and say that but right now we're still reeling from it so yeah. heh.

[Fox Mulder]

43. Doesn't she realize that a vagina is not a clown car.

[FredScuttle]

45. No objection here to this news

but Good Lord! Hasn't this woman's uterus fallen out already?!!

[ColbertWatcher]

57. Get a hobby! Collect stamps!

Come on people!

(The Duggars before #17)


(Duggars welcoming#17)

[high density]

63. Where's the TV show on the couple that decided not to have children?

Nuts.

[iamthebandfanman]

64. jesus, selfish much parents?

what a shame for everyone in volved(and not involved).

kids arent toys.

[Catherine Vincent]

82. They should be getting a big fat rebate check!

Is it $300 or $600 per kid?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

84. 300

But I would guess their household income is over 150K so its not going to be that much...

[depakid]

85. Seems to me it's pretty clear that there are mental health issues here

Foremost on the part of the parents- but likely with the children, too.

Sadly, cable TV likes nothing better than to exploit situations like this....