Is it safe to assume that if something bad happens to you - it's your own damned fault?

[devilgrrl]

Sure seems like it these days doesn't it?

25+ years of right-wing conservatism - you gotta love it!!!! So caring - so compassionate.

:sarcasm:

Don't get sick anyone.... and if you do - you brought it on yourself.

[Hannah Bell]

1. and if something good happens - it's your merit. see how

convenient?

[SCBeeland]

7. Exactly

If there was one thing I could get conservatives/randists to accept, its the bad things = your fault/good things contradiction.

Also, I've noticed if you're poor and you blame the rich, you're going to be called a whiner or a welfare leech. But be rich and blame the poor, you'll be heralded as the greatest philosoper of the 20th century. Pathetic

[Hannah Bell]

8. The poor are responsible, not only for their own poverty, but for

all the ills of society. They're very powerful.

If they didn't exist, we'd have to invent them.

Capitalism requires them to function properly.

[Kitty Herder]

2. It's usually the fault of the rich corporatist with their boot on your neck.

Excluding acts of God. But maybe that the ultimate case of some rich dude (owns the whole universe) with his omnipotent boot on your neck.

[Juche]

3. Its clinically proven conservatives believe that

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/conservativeshappierthanliberals;_ylt=AoLxteB0iayiPje13S9f4bas0NUE

"Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities."


I can see the appeal, it is probably very tempting to think that only bad things happen to bad people and good things happen to good people. The world would likely feel alot safer if you believed that and as long as you are a good person you won't get sick, go bankrupt, lose your job or get stuck in a painful situation. But reality is alot more complex and the luck of the draw affects everyone. It is a very juvenile mentality to believe only bad or good happens to bad or good people, which doesn't suprise me that it is something that contemporary conservatives embrace it. A good number of the attitudes of today's conservatives (not all, but a suprisingly large number) are juvenile in the sense that they are bigoted, angry, misinformed, submissive, hypocritical, small minded, xenophobic, fearful, etc.

Yeah I'm a liberal elitist for pointing it out. Eat me.

[Merlot]

18. A while back there was an article stating that liberals had less nightmares

and slept much better than conservatives.

Sorry no link.

So maybe conservatives are happier during the day, but at night their subconscious kicks in. The sub isn't as easily fooled.

[dkofos]

4. Don Seigelman doesn't think so!!

[lonestarnot]

5. And neither do I!

K & R

[Lydia Leftcoast]

6. You see it all the time on the Internet

"If those people didn't have so many children, they wouldn't be poor."

"If those people didn't build houses on the Gulf Coast, they wouldn't have been harmed by Hurricane Katrina."

And most recently, in response to a NY Times story about a detained immigrant (in for a minor visa violation) who was left lying in his cell for 14 hours after a head injury and finally received medical attention too late to save his life, there was a minority of comments (I'd say 20%) that basically thought it was okay this man was denied timely medical treatment because he was an illegal immigrant. (Actually, he was legal and caught in a bureaucratic mixup.)

[Hannah Bell]

9. If the jews didn't act so jewish, they wouldn't have wound up in the

ovens. If the kid had been in the house, the crazy man wouldn't have shot him. If you'd known better than to buy enron stock, you'd still have a pension.

I hate their lying asses.

I always want to ask them, if it's all up to us, why aren't they bill gates, since they desire money so much. Not trying hard enough, are they? lazy buggers.

[devilgrrl]

14. I've met people who actually thought Sharon Tate had it coming to her.

Because she didn't have better security at her house.

Can you believe that shit?

[ThatsMyBarack]

10. I grew up thinking that.

DU has since turned my life around! I've learned to take a stand against wingnuts and shallow people who think they know everything. It doesn't always work out, but I know I'm allowed to take a stand! :thumbsup:

[coriolis]

11. Claiming it is NEVER one's own fault is equally fucked-up logic.

But we don't hear that much either...
:eyes:

[devilgrrl]

13. Perhaps that's the case in your household...

you really need to get out more.

:eyes:

[coriolis]

16. Get out more...to do what?

There's plenty of gray in my world...I leave the black and white absolutes to the fundies - they are very very certain. Of everything.

[Gormy Cuss]

21. Perhaps that's because that assertion is rarely, if ever, made.

The assertion that personal responsibility is behind most bad things that happen is asserted and frequently, although not usually here.

[KT2000]

12. If something happens

to conservatives though, it is always someone else's fault.

They are really just very narcissistic people who have poisoned our society for too long.

[coriolis]

17. Are you certain you don't have that exactly ass-backward?

Liberals ridicule conservatives with a vengeance for suggesting personal responsibility is virtuous. I'm personally neutral on that but I can see clearly who's castigating who and why.
:shrug:

[Kitty Herder]

20. In the conservative world view, personal responsibiltiy only applies to the poor.

When the conservative elite get in trouble, however, it's always somebody else's fault. Like Bush blaming the intelligence community for getting us into an unnecessary war, when if fact, he pushed them to doctor the intelligence.

As for personal responsibility, of course that is virtuous. But so is responsibility towards others.

Jesus encouraged responsibility towards others.
25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


A whole and healthy individual takes responsibility for self and others, as does a whole and healthy society. The two things are not mutually exlusive. Human beings are a social species. We thrive in conditions where each person within a community (or nation in the modern world) takes responsibility for not only their self, but the community as a whole.

[Deja Q]

15. Even if it's the doctor, a conservative, who fucked ya up?

Having said that, I genuinely avoid politics and practitioners. It's best to rely on their skill, not for whom they vote.

[wryter2000]

19. It's your fault

Unless you're a Republican, in which case you can blame it on the ethincs.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

22. If you're a Christian you can say it's God's Will, no matter what.

"God wanted little Billy to go to Heaven at age five by running out in front of a speeding car."

"God is against abortion, but wanted little Janie to be born with a fatal, painful genetic condition, from which she would suffer continuously until she died at age three."


:grr: :banghead: :banghead: :grr: :wtf:

See any causation problems here, folks???