DId you know that Carter was one of the leaders of

[nels25]

the stop McGovern movement during the 72 convention??

I had not know that before today, the article stated the McGovern owed his nomination in no small part to a enormous grass roots movement (sound familiar).

It also goes on to explain in none to deep detail how there were rule/credentials fights galore (do not think that will happen this year, but with the Clinton's it could) just kind of rang some bells for me.

Last observation: Carter learned some lessons from the events of 72, and used to good effect in 76 to win his nomination.

Just though I would throw this out for thought.:wow:

[gatorboy]

1. Do you have a link?

[nels25]

3. I do not know how to do a link

but I got it out of Wikipedia when I searched "1972 Democratic National Convention"

I know some dislike Wiki, but from a purely historical viewpoint I find their articles to be essentially correct.

I was alive when this all was transpiring, but not really paying attention.

Anyway just found it intriguing.

[gatorboy]

10. It's odd that there doesn't seem to be an original source for this information.

It's simply something someone wrote into Wiki without using any actual source information. I did find quite a few right wing sites that copied the same info but they only link to the Wiki article which, again, doesn't have any actual reference to back it up.

[nels25]

11. I went back to it again just to check

and one citation was the book "The Making of the Presidency 1972" by Theodore White.

Now since I have a history degree I can tell you that Theodore White was a very respected historian.

He wrote several highly regarded books concerning how candidates got elected to the presidency in that time period.

Personally I find him to be creditable and the over all article to be valid.

You are of course free to feel other wise.

My over all points were that Carter learned the lessons that McGovern used in 72, repeated them to some degree in 76 and won.

I also note with some passing interest that I perceive some correlation to what happened then and what might happen this year.

No overall judgments made, just fascination with the facts I found.

[gatorboy]

12. Still, no website connects that information to any actual writing of Theodore White.

My opinion is it has no original source besides whomever plopped it into Wiki, but oh well...

Besides, you should know better. A history major using Wiki for information? ;)

[blondeatlast]

19. Ahem.

:thumbsup:

[Ronnie]

15. "I perceive some correlation to what happened then and what might happen this year."

Sounds like you're a great admirer of Pres. McGovern.
BaBoom!

[madokie]

17. I would say this is a hit piece on Carter by the bush regime

because of his recent diplomatic excursions, unsanctioned by them btw.

[mac2]

2. Carter is not a Progressive he is a globalist and belongs to

the secret organizations. For this I will not ever forgive him. The elite rule even in the Democratic group for their own power.

[nels25]

4. Was not making a judgement call on him

just found it food for fodder.

[pork medley]

16. ooooooo 'secret organizations'

:scared:

[hootinholler]

5. Can't say that I know about that.

What was the Stop McGovern movement?

-Hoot

[nels25]

8. According to what I read

McGovern was supported by younger grass movement anti-war people (think Obama).

From what I can see there did not seem to be a clear cut opponent.

The more established parts of the party (Labor, Big city mayors etc - think Hillary) thought that McGovern would be destroyed in the general.

They mounted a way to stop it by picking a fight about the seating of the CA delegation.

California's primary had been held in a winner take all format against rule requiring quotas (their words not mine) of minorities.

Since McGovern had barely won the state if the anti-McGovern people had been able to get proportional representation agreed to then it might have made a difference (not at all sure about that though).

McGovern and his supporters though had a strangle hold on the rules/credentials committees and according what I read nothing happened that they did not want to.

All the anti-McGovern votes were defeated, Mayor Daly and his delegates were removed in a credential fight to be replaced by a slate lead by Jessie Jackson.

That is what I was able to ascertain for the most part.

[book_worm]

6. He was a supporter of Sen. Henry Jackson of Washington in '72

[book_worm]

7. And McGovern supported ABC in '76 (Anybody but Carter)...so what? that's politics.

[nels25]

9. Agreed !

but for some reason (maybe it is just me) I see very broad parallels between then and now.

I am not an expert on political history of that era, but I do find it fascinating.

[Warpy]

13. Carter was a conservative southern Democrat

so of course he wanted to stop the left of center McGovern.

McGovern was allowed to run mostly because the party knew Nixon would win against Jesus Christ, himself, because the country as a whole hated hippies and so did Nixon.

It was wasted effort on Carter's part.

[mitchum]

14. Yes, I did

[blondeatlast]

18. How to link:

1. Open a new window or tab; find desired site (in this case Wikipedia). Keep relevant DU original post or thread open.

2. Search desired site, as I have here with "Stop McGovern" as keywords: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=stop+mcgovern&go=Go

3. Go to address window at the top of your browser, highlight, then go to "copy."

4. Return to relevant DU topic.

5. Paste.

That's precisely what I've done here--you can cite from the hits I made (very poor ones) from "stop mcgovern."