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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:06 PM
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A Modest Proposal: Let's have a ban on Ann Coulter
I am proposing a ban on Ann Coulter at DU. I don't mean a formal, admin-enforced ban; the fewer of those we have, the better. This would be just an informal agreement among the honorable members of DU not to give Ms. Coulter any free publicity. It's time for us to stop sending her fifteen minutes into overtime. That is what she really wants, is to see a divided country react to her. Frankly, I'm tired of her. Let's not post her droppings here any longer.

Ann Coulter contributes nothing of value to civic discourse in America on any subject. I say this not because I disagree with her views, although I do, but because she cannot effectively argue those views. She can't get her facts right; her arguments are laden with logical fallacies; she thinks she can refute an opponent with an insult (and seldom a very clever one); and she's a terrible writer. Her work is intellectually worthless.

Many of the facts she cites in her arguments are not facts at all, such as the claim that Bill Clinton would have lost the 1992 election had it not been for Ross Perot taking all those votes away from President Bush; surveys have shown that among those who voted for Perot who would have voted at all had he not been on the ballot, the vote was split about evenly between Clinton and Bush.

She raises red herrings at any opportunity. For an example of her raising red herrings, check out this video. In response to a discussion about Mr. Murtha's proposal to prohibit sending more troops into combat unless they are properly equipped, she continuously raised the fact that Murtha was investigated by the FBI in the Abscam sting about 30 years ago. She further reveals her racist bias in the clip by asserting that it demonstrates that Murtha is willing to do business with Arabs, who are terrorists. Not only is Ms. Coulter raising a red herring, but she is holding Murtha guilty by association and even a formal fallacy in that her argument rests on an illicit process (Osama is an Arab; Osama is a terrorist; therefore, all Arabs are terrorists). That's three logical fallacies in one short video clip.

She substitutes invective for discursive reasoning. For example, among her most infamous remarks is calling September 11 widows "harpies". That was just a cruel, insensitive remark. She was hired by USA Today to cover the Democratic national convention in 2004, was bounced after her first article referred to the Democrats collectively as "the spawn of Satan". Bearing in mind that with much of Ms. Coulter's audience there is something wrong with being gay, she has asserted, with nothing to support the argument, that she would lay "even money" that Hillary Clinton will be "coming out of the closet" soon, that President Clinton shows "some latent signs of homosexuality", and that Vice President Gore is a "total fag."

Her invectives often become wishes for or even incitements of violence, as when she expressed regret that Tim McVeigh didn't bomb The New York Times building. In her book, High Crimes and Misdemeanors, she said that the debate about Clinton should not have been whether he did it with Monica, but "whether to impeach or assassinate". She has also joked about poisoning Supreme Court justices. She also stated that John Walker Lindh, the American Taliban, should have been executed "in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too." I don't know what kind of intellectual gymnastics she performed to equate liberals, who believe in freedom of religion, with the extreme totalitarian Islamic fundamentalism of the Taliban.

Finally, she can't hold a theme to save her life. Let us take for example her most infamous editorial piece which got her fired the National Review Online. It begins as a tribute to her friend, Barbara Olson, who was killed in the September 11 hijackings. It might have been interesting to put a human face on the events of that horrible day, even if Barbara Olson was not on my most admired list. I'm sure Ms. Olson had her good points and it was a good time for her friends to talk about them. After discussing the warm relationship Ms. Olson had with her husband, US Solicitor General Ted Olson, Ms. Coulter goes into contrasting that with the relationship of Bill and Hillary Clinton, or rather her fantasies of what that is, since Ms. Coulter has no way of knowing what breakfast at the Clintons is like. From there, she jumps into an invective against Arabs and Muslims in general, finally proclaiming "we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

What should have been an elegy for a friend turned out to be little more than a vehicle to slander the Clintons and every Muslim on earth. There was no bridge other than the completely irrelevant personal attack on the Clintons from the tender remembrances of Ms. Olson to the hysterical call for war against the Islamic world. Rather than honor a friend, Ms. Coulter made a fool of herself and wrote her way out of a job.

Her writings are worthless. Ann Coulter is vile, bigoted and hysterical. She has no tolerance for a difference of opinion, as she proclaims all who disagree with her "harpies" or homosexuals. Her arguments are pock marked with material falsehoods and logical fallacies. And she can't write anyway.

What Ann Coulter gets when someone at DU posts one of her droppings, perhaps for shock value, is attention. That attention gratifies her. She feeds on our attention. It is time to starve the beast.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:08 PM
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1. Coulter, Malkin, bin Reilly.
I'm in.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:10 PM
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2. Coulter admits that she says stupid things so everyone will talk about it
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 04:21 PM by skipos
I am all for not talking about it.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:11 PM
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3. Does that include her just used vile use of "the F word" in reference to Edwards.
Just now on CSPAN at the scumbag union conference, she said something to the effect of...

"I was going to say something about john edwards but realize you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot"."
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:13 PM
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9. Did she really say that just now?
Nothing new for her. Read the post again. I addressed just that kind of thing, altough not that specific case.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:27 PM
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15. yes, she did. just ten minutes ago. and the crowd of mouthbreathers just loved it too.
now she's promoting "joe mccarthy clubs" on college campuses. i'm convinced that karma's gonna be a bitch for her. only a matter of time before "what goes around..."

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:11 PM
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4. I basically just ignore the threads that come up about her, why give them

any of my attention?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:11 PM
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5. Who?
;) You can count on me. There's nothing any of them has to say that's important. They're dead to me.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:12 PM
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6. "starve the beast"? Looks like that ship has sailed!
Edited on Fri Mar-02-07 04:14 PM by Phredicles
Seriously, this is a magnificently-written and well-supported essay, but I think what you're asking for is too tall an order. A big part of why people frequent DU is to vent; people like Coulter are a big reason why we need to vent.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:12 PM
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7. ANN
But we will miss seeing her adams apple........ :rofl:

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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:12 PM
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8. Count me in.
Add Malkin, Hannity, Savage and O'Reilly and you'll have a royal flush - down the toilet.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:17 PM
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12. LOL
!!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:14 PM
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10. I would be in favour of banning all of them to the "stans" but, frankly, all the people in those
areas have suffered enough. many years ago, in some sci-fi story I was reading, offenders were sent to a place called "coventry" which had basically been like a deserted island, now turned into a penal colony. people had to get by on their wits. wonder how long any of them would last?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:16 PM
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11. I don't know about this...
Half the posts I've been reading lately are about lowering the amount of infighting here on DU. While I'd love to see more civil discourse I know it's not going to happen. One of the few things we all manage agree on here is our distain for the likes of Coulter, Savage, O'Reilly and Limbaugh and Hannity. Sometimes it's nice to come on here and enter a thread where everyone agrees. I will however concede and I won't start anymore talking head threads, but don't expect it to last. Honestly they are just too easy and too much fun to pick on.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:18 PM
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13. Why?
She's been out of the public eye for awhile now.

Her five minutes are over. Seems if anybody's giving her attention, it's this thread.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:18 PM
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14. One last time then no more from me
Ann consists of what a friend of mine would call "extraordinary evil." Not the ordinary "we didn't know" evil that was the common German folk during the rise of Hitler, but the evil that transcends, making things worse, supporting other extraordinary evil through direct action, and using one's efforts toward hatred, bigotry, and suffering.

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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:28 PM
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16. Ignoring cancer won't make it go away.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:31 PM
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17. Coulter is a performance artist
She seeks to call attention to herself by attempting to shock.

I agree with the OP. The less attention we pay to Coulter, the less attention she'll get, and lack of attention is what hurts her most.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 04:50 PM
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18. Well it didn't last long..
all she had to do was say the "F" word on Cspan...
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 05:29 PM
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19. Censorship is not the way to gain knowledge
Sure, mAnn Coulter spews green venom with every TV appearance. But each time she says something horrible, it helps enlighten swing voters as to what conservatives are really all about: hatred.

And let's be honest...does anyone really think that, if all Ann Coulter posts stopped tomorrow, that it would do one iota of damage to her? She'll still be on TV and in newspapers and magazines, making more money than all of us combined.

Finally, if anyone's wimpy enough to want to close their eyes and sing "la-la-la" when they see a Coulter post--grow up. This is a political forum, not a cutesy kiddy playground, and the bad stuff is going to be reported as well as the good. If a Coulter thread doesn't interest you, don't read it. The mods don't need to be bothered with something you're perfectly capable of doing yourself.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 02:47 PM
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20. Ok.
Why feed the frenzy? If we really wanted her to go away, we would "ignore" her. It works on discussion boards; the "ignored" threads sink like a rock and go away faster. It works in primary elections; the "ignored" candidates get less media exposure and fewer votes. I'd love to see it work for all the rw media pundits. If everyone wasn't always talking about what they said, if fewer people listened and responded, ratings would also sink like a stone.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 02:59 PM
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21. LTTE: The politics of Bigotry
I submitted the following LTTE to the three newspapers in my local area. By all means feel free to use a variation of this Letter To The Editor, to send off your own, to your local papers.

''All of the GOP's 2008 presidential hopefuls, with the exception of Senator John McCain, recently appeared at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, last week.

Not one of those candidates has yet spoke out against guest speaker Ann Coulter's pejorative and slanderous reference to Democratic candidate John Edwards, as a ''faggot.''

Coulter's horrible comments were receieved by those attending the Conservative Conference with laughter, and cheers.

If the GOP candidates expect to hear anything other than laughter on election day, then they must distance themselves from the politics of smear, and scandal, and denounce Ms. Coulter's commentary as un-true, and mean-spirited, and un-worthy of an event at which a future President would ever attend, and speak.''
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