The jerk made it 8 years without impeachment. How and why?

[Philosoraptor]

Not one serious effort to impeach ever occurred. As if the jerk didn't quite qualify for impeachment, or even censure. Sad when you think about it, how much trouble and effort the right wing assholes went through to impeach Bill, and the utter lack of any desire to impeach the worst president of all time.

Was America simply fed up with impeachment after Clinton? Or was it that only repubs can impeach?

How is it and why is it that this cheap criminal and his gangsters got away with it all Scott free?

I am so, so disappointed in the American people.

[melody]

1. BushCo kills people... no one wanted to die

Paul Wellstone tried to block them.

[Triana]

16. that's probably a more apt explanation than many people think

with bu$h the psychopath, you either went along and protected him or became one of his victims.

[melody]

21. To anyone who studies the Bush crime family, it is the only explanation

They amass information (as in the Boys Town pedo ring) to blackmail people. Those they can't blackmail or bribe, they kill.

[Triana]

33. Yep. I'm afraid that's about it. We can blame Dem squeemishness and

....maybe it is. They value their lives too much, maybe. (?)

After doing some reading though, I'm convinced that it's because they just didn't want to be destroyed or killed by the psychopath and his family, so they protected him. That was their choice. Not a great choice.

[laylah]

79. Although I agree with the

gist of your comment, I believe it is the ASSHOLE Cheney that kept them afloat...along with Rove. JMVHO

[Fireweed247]

67. I think that is it in a nutshell

Kucinich said he would introduce Impeachment of Bush, shortly afterward his brother Perry dropped dead under suspicious circumstances.

Then he still said he would after the State of the Union, but someone stopped him and he has been very quiet since.

Isn't there some way we can stop the Mob from running/ruining our Country?

[melody]

74. Unfortunately, the BFEE has its talons in most major political figures or they wouldn't be powerful

The only way to get rid of them is to rid ourselves of the viscera of the government.

[John Kerry VonErich]

103. Viscera??

Sorry about that, I just had to do that.

[melody]

106. lol - "viscera" as in "entrails" :) n/t

[liberal N proud]

2. They have threats down to a science

And a few dead bodies piled up along the way to prove they mean what they say.

[Wapsie B]

3. I'm disappointed too.

The bar for impeachment seems to have been raised to dizzying heights. If this coked-up thing we have inhabiting the WH does not qualify for impeachment who does? Is it any wonder why some people have said to hell with it and are going to vote for McCain? Is there no true opposition party anymore? The total inability to remove * and Cheney from office tells me there isn't really a two-party system here any longer.

[Harry Monroe]

47. The bar for impeachment has been raised to "dizzying" heights??

Quite the contrary, the bar had been lowered by the Republicans so low as to be laughable. But alas, the standard now is we have to get a President to lie about a blow job. Could someone here give him one so we can impeach him already?

The hypocrisy shown by the Republican led Congress in regards to impeachment until 2006 was appalling. I'm absolutely convinced that if this President were a Democrat, the Republican controlled Congress would have called for his head, and they would also be absolutely right and correct to do so.

I am ashamed of our current Congressional leadership as well. They are abdicating their Constitutionally mandated duties of providing checks and balances to the Executive Branch in not investigating Bush and calling for his impeachment. And this spineless precedent will have ramifications for years to come. Future Administrations, be they Democratic or Republican will flout the laws of our land with impunity, knowing full well that Congress will not hold them accountable unless they commit some grievous sin in their personal life. The Clintons had it right on one account. It is now all about the "politics of personal destruction" which will bring down a sitting President. The facts that he broke public laws, flouted the Constitution of the United States, lied about matters of such importance as wars and thousands upon thousands die because of such lies, matters not anymore. To the Republicans these are boring and unimportant matters, what matters now is the circus sideshow we can provide with impeachment. The public will only pay attention to it if we treat impeachment like an episode of the "Jerry Springer Show". Sex sells, everyone knows that!! Who cares if the President flouted a few laws and we are sliding slowly towards totalitarianism!! SO BORING!! Give us the "National Enquirer" and "American Idol"!!

:rant:

Edited to add this quote:

"Thomas Jefferson taught that a democracy was impractical unless the people were educated. No matter how stringent the protections of the people might be in constitutions or common law, there would always be a temptation, Jefferson thought, for the powerful, the wealthy, and the unscrupulous to undermine the ideal of govermnent run by and for ordinary citizens. The antidote is vigorous support for the expression of unpopular views, widespread literacy, substantive debate, a common familiarity with critical thinking, and skepticism of pronouncements of those in authority - which are all also central to the scientific method"

Excerpt from Carl Sagan's book, "Billions and Billions: Thoughts on Life and Death at the Brink of the Millenium"

[Hydra]

59. No, the bar is up in the atmosphere somewhere

Think that isn't the case? We know Jeff Gannon was in the WH, and Laura Bush was not at various times.

By any RW measure, that should be worse than Monica Lewinsky...but somehow, it's all ok.

Above the law. That is the mantra of our gov't now. "The law is for you stupid people who think you vote us in- we appoint ourselves, and do not answer to you."

Reality is a bitch, isn't it?

[Harry Monroe]

62. I do agree with you...but the bar is set EXTREMELY high for Republicans at least.

But for Democrats it is set very low if Bill Clinton's impeachment was any indication. And the hypocrisy and double standard is appalling!! Had the current occupant of the WH been a Democrat these past 7 1/2 years and committed the crimes that Bush committed, he would have been out on his ass long ago. You are correct, laws don't apply to Republicans, only to the "little people" and Democrats like us.

Edited for spelling.

[Perry Logan]

4. The system is rigged in their favor. Justice comes hard in a rigged system.

[KharmaTrain]

5. Need A List?

We start out with a repugnican dominated House & Senate that provided a rubber stamp to allow this regime to pillage at will with ZERO oversight...as they were sucking up the spoils with him. They allowed him to ramrod all sorts of spending bills through that turned a budget surplus into a defecit in no time. Then they allowed him to politicize all the parts of the executive and judiciary with partisan hacks who now enable this regime to stonewall and obstruct and continue their destruction.

The other part is the corporate media...they all but swooned over the manchild in 2000 and have been coward and "kept in line" by hate radio and a massive GOOP propaganda machine that all but shutdown any contrary opionion or true investigation. It's still going on despite millions tuning out and finding their news in other places.

Lastly, it was years of compalcency by Democrats who allowed the GOOP to steal this country blind...not engaging or challenging. Fortunately those times have changed. No matter how bad things look now, we have made some big progress over the past couple years and more is on the way. But there's a big mess to clean up.

[tavalon]

9. Complacency or complicity

Words so close in spelling but a world apart.

I have grave doubts about my party these days.

[Echo In Light]

13. ...or elements of it. Dominant elements, unfortunately. Absolutely.

[KharmaTrain]

40. And The Alternative??

We've had a long, long road to come back in the past few years...and many expected a 180 turn in the country...I was just glad to slow down the runaway criminality of this regime. I'm not sure how much was slowed, but at least roadblocks existed now where none did prior to January, 2007. The damage that has been done can't be wisked away in 100 days or 6 months or even 2 years...and many thought mountains would be moved. We still are learning about all the corruption and crimes that have been committed over the past 7 years and this upcoming election speaks to further corruption or a solid break from repugnican control.

I feel a lot of frustration myself, but not doubts. I've seen a lot of ebb and flow in my life and hope that the darkest days are now behind...but it's gonna be one hell of a clean-up job and the goal now will be to hold Democrats to restore some sanity into this country and for an accountability of what and WHO were responsible. Change is happening...alas slowly, but better than no change at all.

Cheers...

[nradisic]

6. Karma is a bitch...

The Shrub will get his due one way or another....Fate will take care if him...

[bdamomma]

45. I hope Fate will also take care of Cheney too.

[Echo In Light]

7. It's cliche, but man, it's definitely the mainline media/M$M

I mean, that certainly doesn't account for all of the apathy, indifference and depoliticization that result from the prevailing social systems, but there are still scores of people who, even though they've enough sense to appreciate that the Bush/Cheney regime is bad news, remain clueless as to what they and their movement actually represent, the crimes and cover ups. They don't want to know just how bad it really is, how widespread their various enablers are, how blatantly anti-democratic their aims and subversions of law and constitution are.

That absence of knowledge basically rests with the mainstream media: if we had a true watchdog media - or at least one that largely attempted to serve as that crucial balance between People and Power - then this regime wouldn't have ever been "elected." However, that fourth estate is now the megaphone-social engineering apparatus owned and managed by the same corporate interests who make big bank on America's phony "wars."

[Harry Monroe]

48. Contrast this to the early '70's when the media brought down a corrupt, criminal sitting President

You are absolutely right in your assertions. The media now prefers to serve up "bread and circuses" whetting the American appetite for what really sells. It is a sad state of affairs when we have a cowering, compliant media that is more reminiscent of "National Enquirer" than the Washington Post or New York Times back in the '70's. The politicians used to respect the print and television media back then, now they hold them in contempt, knowing full well that they're able to get away with anything, unless it involves some transgressions in their personal life. Then the media is on it like flies on shit, smelling profits and ratings in the wind.

Edited for this appropriate quote:

"Thomas Jefferson taught that a democracy was impractical unless the people were educated. No matter how stringent the protections of the people might be in constitutions or common law, there would always be a temptation, Jefferson thought, for the powerful, the wealthy, and the unscrupulous to undermine the ideal of govermnent run by and for ordinary citizens. The antidote is vigorous support for the expression of unpopular views, widespread literacy, substantive debate, a common familiarity with critical thinking, and skepticism of pronouncements of those in authority - which are all also central to the scientific method"

Excerpt from Carl Sagan's book, "Billions and Billions: Thoughts on Life and Death at the Brink of the Millenium"

[Echo In Light]

54. "transgressions in their personal life." I suspect even that is largely strategical

Re how and why certain stories are covered. The mainline media is no more "liberal" than the vested corporate interests who own and manage it - a more streamlined affect for controlling "the message" after de-regulation policies, Telecommunications Act, etc. There are powerful, profits-over-people political ties within the corporate system. In other words, I don't think that when it comes to digging up dirt on a politician - or some other noteworthy figure who wields influence - that suddenly the tried and true formula is pushed aside in favor of profits and ratings. These decisions are carefully scripted and managed as a means of political propaganda to influence and coerce the public mind.

There are exceptions to every rule, naturally, and some stories may gain more of a foothold than certain shadow powers would like from time to time. But a few sacred cows can be offered up periodically so long as there isn't any genuine institutional analysis of the skewed system as a whole.

[tavalon]

8. No blue dress, no blowjob, no impeachment!

I'm fairly sure that you knew even back when the Clinton witch hunt was on, that they were impeaching for more than what was on the surface. They wanted people to be disgusted by impeachment so that they wouldn't take it out again for a while. What's interesting is that We The People knew the other time was bogus and we know that this time it isn't, but our elected officials seem to have gotten the lesson the Repigs wanted us to learn.

[rudy23]

55. Agreed. People don't talk about that enough.

Their strategy worked perfectly.

[Vickers]

10. Folks are afeared of the anthrax.

Plus, nobody was willing to blow the old coke-head. :(

[tavalon]

11. I said I would do it

Unfortunately, I don't have access. Besides, I don't think he likes girls.

Edited to add: You do understand that I would be doing this for my country, not for any attraction to that worm.

[Vickers]

18. You deserve a medal just for offering!

:patriot:

Hell, I might even give the guy a handjob if I thought it would help....

[tavalon]

22. And you, my friend, might just be more his type

Are you by chance, bald? We could get a plane ticket for you....................

[tavalon]

26. Thank you BTW,

that's the first time in a long time that I've seen the flag and not had a convulsion of disgust.

[Harry Monroe]

50. And by God, we've got us a true patriot!!

Thank you for taking "one for the team". You are a real patriot!!

[old mark]

12. If a Democrat is elected....

...the impeachment drive will start again. Watch the media-I predict the Democrat president won't last three months without the first calls for impeachment proceedings beginning on national TV. Repubs will do anything foul to slow down and confuse the people and any type of progress or positive change in this country. There have already been threats on some of the more right wing gun forums to shoot Obama, and I expect there will be many more when he wins the big one.
They are evil, stupid people who are convinced they are correct and never have a second thought about it. They are easily played by their "leaders".

mark

[tavalon]

19. Except that we won't have a megalomaniac in the White House

So, no interns, no blue dresses, no impeachy.

[Chulanowa]

60. Report those threats to the FBI

The FBI so loves people who threaten members of government, you know!

[old mark]

98. I always assumed...

...that someone in the govmint reads posts online looking for threats, etc. The Department of Suspicion? NSA? Homeland Security? FBI?

Probably 4 or 5 departments reading this forum right now, taking names...


mark

[Triana]

14. Psychopaths and those who protect and support them...

...lest they end up being one of the victims.

Read Snakes in Suits, or the Sociopath Next Door or Without Conscience. They are about bu$h et al.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. Two words: shadow government

Simply, there are hidden agendas and the government they want us to believe we are, and the government we actually are, are two different things. And, the ugliest truth of all, is that that shadow government must be Republican in nature because Democrats get penalized more often, even when they follow their open policies, than Republicans do when they get caught with their hidden ones.

[Echo In Light]

20. A striking feature of this phenomenon is how most people admit concern/suspicion of corrupt govt....

...yet for that middle-of-the-road, indoctrinated political class, once there is an attempt to move from that generalization into the shadowy, conspiratorial specifics of the corruption, big heap denial and hostility toward the messenger manifest sharply. Nutty, eh?

[tavalon]

24. Cognitive dissonance

will make people do the nuttiest things.

[nichomachus]

17. There are a lot of reasons

A lot of it was impeachment fatigue. The media would have spun it as Dems just "getting even" for Clinton.

A huge factor is that they got a lot of Americans to buy into their crimes. He had a lot of support, at least initially, for every criminal act he perpetrated. So, to get Americans to even go along with the idea of impeachment would have required them to look into their own souls. And most people wouldn't do that. They would give Bush a free pass, rather than take responsibility for enabling his crimes. Most Americans were accomplices.

With Clinton and the blow job, no one else was involved and so most Americans could get "outraged" without having to take any of the responsibility.

[calmblueocean]

29. Also, the fact that the war is still ongoing really stopped impeachment in its tracks

Because part of the spin against impeachment would be that they are attacking the commander-in-chief during a time of war and showing weakness to our enemies. Bush and Cheney would've hid behind our armed forces and tried to make it seem as if impeaching Bush was an attack on the soldiers.

Even so, it still should've happened.

[LWolf]

23. Because Democrats are complicit enablers

who will not oppose the enemy.

[tavalon]

25. What if

they are also the enemy? What if they are the second head of the hydra? These are thoughts that occur to me in the middle of the night.

[Echo In Light]

30. "What you want in a media system is ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity."

Joseph Goebbels

[tavalon]

31. I know that about the media system (or lack thereof)

but I wonder if it is also true about our politicians.

[Echo In Light]

36. 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. That's why I used the quote and its comparison

[tavalon]

41. I see

Fuck.

[datasuspect]

34. the power players in both parties feed at the same trough.

[LWolf]

35. Those are thoughts that

occur to me in the strong light of day, too. :(

[formercia]

37. The Corporate Party

has members in both the Democratic and Republican parties. To be more precise, the two parties are really branches of the Corporate Party that are kept as separate entities, much like sports teams to give an appearance of competition.
At least in the old Soviet Union, there was only one party and the candidates were chosen by the party apparatus. Everyone knew what the story was and played along. When the system collapsed, it was easy to determine who was to blame.
There are so many members of Congress that have been co-opted by their associations with lobbyists, own stock in the very corporations making obscene profits as a result of this illegal War of Aggression or have other weaknesses that would drag them under when the Bush Ship of State sank.

Bush Gang was smart by making them partners-in crime.

[Echo In Light]

38. "appearance of competition" = Illusion of choice

[formercia]

51. Democracy is too important to leave to chance.

[Echo In Light]

52. Spot on parody!

[warren pease]

87. The illusion of choice: They're not even trying anymore...

Long and tedious, but perfectly punctuated... ;)

Still, you might want one or two of these before plunging in. :beer:


Whenever Gen. Betrayus comes to Washington to extort some more blood money from Congress, he ends up addressing quite a few members with vested interests in his assessments. These are the Congressional war speculators, who've been buying up shares of military contractor stock by the millions and making a killing (as it were) off inflated valuation and dividends.

So they'll be listening without their customary insulting inattentiveness and displays of boredom. After all, it's their money on the line here, a subject they actually give a shit about, so they'll be paying close attention.

They'll still posture and bluster during Act I, the part where the general recites the usual lies about the imminent success of the occupation and how it'll only take another few hundred billion to win the war that the US isn't fighting. And if they can manage to stay awake through all that, they'll be rewarded for their patience with valuable information on the twists and turns of the Iraq occupation directly from the horse's mouth – or more likely, another part of the anatomy closer to the floor.

According to financial disclosure statements required of all members of Congress, in calendar year 2006 -- the latest year for which complete and verified reports exist -- 151 members of congress, both representatives and senators, had a financial stake in one or more of the numerous DoD contractors. Those investments were worth a combined $78.7 million to $195.5 million at the time. These weren't small deals either; the list only includes DoD contractors with signed deals worth at least $5 million apiece.

Apparently, those private stock tips worked. These investments earned those 151 members a total of between $15.8 million and $62 million in stock profits from 2004 and 2006. This marvelous bit of news courtesy of a study released in early April 2008 by Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan research group.

From aircraft and weapons manufacturers to producers of medical supplies and soft drinks, their investment portfolios include holdings in companies paid billions of dollars each month to support the Iraq occupation, as well as US imperialism and militarism around the world. Somebody's got to feed and clothe all those troops stationed at the nearly 800 US military bases in at least 63 countries.

So a briefing from Betrayus is essentially a report from an insider divulging private information that has serious bearing on the prices and probable trends concerning stocks in their portfolios. This used to be known as insider trading; now it's not called anything at all.

Ever since the Bushies opened for business, the extent of official corruption is so vast and pervasive that it's even getting hard to find clerk working at a small branch office of a minor regulatory agency who's not in some company's pocket. More likely at least 10 companies, each competing for attention by upping the bribe every time something that affects their business comes up for regulatory scrutiny.

And here's the honor roll (sorry about the lousy format; go here to see the chart for a much clearer view):

Lawmakers with the most money invested in companies with Department of Defense contracts:

Member of Congress Minimum Value of Investment Maximum Value of Investment

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass)
$28,872,067
$38,209,020

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
$12,081,050
$49,140,000


Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC)
$9,232,037
$37,105,000


Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis)
$5,207,668
$7,612,653


Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif)
$2,684,050
$6,260,000


Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich)
$2,469,029
$8,360,000


Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa)
$2,000,002
$2,000,002


Rep. Tom Petri (R-Wis)
$1,365,004
$5,800,000


Rep. Kenny Ewell Marchant (R-Texas)
$1,163,231
$1,163,231


Rep. John Carter (R-Texas)
$1,000,001
$5,000,000

Those democrats; always in touch with the common folk.

Bushite democrat Jane Harman, number five on the list above, also happens to be the richest member of the House with an estimated net worth of more than half a BILLION dollars. I would imagine most have been converted to Euros by now, Jane being obviously no fool with money.

And this from an April 3 article in The Huffington Post

Lieberman, I-Conn., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and a member of the Armed Services Committee, held a considerably smaller share at $51,000. A spokesman said the senator, who supports continued operations in Iraq, is "careful to make his policy decisions based only on what is best for the country."

A spokesman for Blunt, R-Mo., a senior member of House GOP leadership who held at least $15,000 in Lockheed Martin stock in 2006, said the insinuation that lawmakers' votes might be affected by their portfolios is "offensive." Like Lieberman, Blunt has been a fierce supporter of the war.

"I don't pretend to speak for other offices, but I am fairly certain that no member would consider their personal finances when voting on issues as important as sending our men and women in uniform into harm's way," said Blunt spokesman Nick Simpson.

I suppose you'd want a blunt spokesman, as long as he didn't get too personal or reveal some previously hidden scandal.

And one final flip off from our elected representatives. Please take something to keep your stomach from revolting before reading.

Congress Has Wealth to Weather Economic Downturn

As Americans worry about their own finances, their elected representatives in Washington -- with a collective net worth of $3.6 billion -- are mostly in good shape to withstand a recession


WASHINGTON -- Economists say the United States may be in a recession, but the personal finances of members of Congress suggest they will be able to weather the storm far better than most Americans, according to a new analysis of three years of lawmakers' personal financial reports by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

U.S. senators had a median net worth of approximately $1.7 million in 2006, the most recent year for which their financial data is available, and 58 percent of the Senate's members could be considered millionaires. In the House of Representatives, the median net worth was about $675,000, with 44 percent of members with net worth estimated to be at least $1 million. By contrast, only about 1 percent of all American adults had a net worth greater than $1 million around the same time.

Before the American economy showed signs last year of slowing down, lawmakers had enjoyed an extraordinary run in their personal investments and other finances. Members of Congress, who are now paid about $169,000 annually, saw their net worths soar 84 percent from 2004 to 2006, on average.

"Like a lot of Americans, as the economy did well, Congress did well but lawmakers did especially well," said Sheila Krumholz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics. "Now that the nation's economic road is turning rougher, members of Congress have a far more comfortable cushion than most Americans have to ride it out. If their constituents experience economic hardships, policymakers, who are in a position to help boost the economy, generally won't feel the same pain."

Warms your heart, doesn't it?


wp

[Echo In Light]

100. Thanks for posting!

[Individualist]

65. DLC IS the second head of the hydra

[Lorien]

91. Yep, along with the fact that the media obeys the will of the

Whitehouse. If the media had been "fair and balanced" and done it's job, then Bush would have been impeached within his first two years in office.

[LWolf]

102. That, too.

We're caught in a vise between those two factors.

[MuseRider]

27. All of the above.

I was disappointed in the American people but really I think they would almost all be happy for impeachment proceedings. The biggest problem we have is that there is nobody who will listen to us. Collusion is my best guess. All of the above is also true I think but if all or most of our reps listened and stood up together they would be much safer than if it was called for by a few. I worry about those few who have stood up, a lot.

Collusion.

[spanone]

28. 6 years with a repulican congress. 2 years with an ineffective democratic congress

[tavalon]

32. One of the most painful things I've had to watch since 2006

is the way the Republicans school us over and over and over yet again on how to be an effective minority party. It hurts.

[eallen]

42. We have a winner! Give the man a cigar.

[Retrograde]

63. I wouldn't say ineffective so much as

barely hanging on to a majority. With the Senate roughly 50/50, depending on how you count Lieberman, they need not just a smoking gun but a whole smoking arsenal to get a conviction. Otherwise, sad to say, an impeachment trial is just another circus like Clinton's was.

That said, I'd still like to see Cheney dragged out into the light of day and made to answer for himself.

[lonestarnot]

64. And I agree with your analysis, but have hope that they will be, when they are out and the Military

Commissions Act can be fixed retroactively and they will be unable to give or receive pardons.

[spanone]

82. and that, unfortunately, has made them ineffective...

[Freddie Stubbs]

39. Proof was needed that HE committed impeachable offences

His advisors have learned from history to insulate the President from doing anything impeachable.

[fascisthunter]

43. hahahahahaha

oh that's a good one.

[tavalon]

44. I hate to tell you this but they forgot to gag Braggy Bush

He goes out on a regular basis and brags about his impeachable offenses. If all that was required was proof, that boy would be in leg irons already!

[Annces]

46. puppet master

[suegeo]

49. Because of Ritual Sacrifice and group PTSD

The powers that be have been studying group and individual psychology for some time. They knew that people seeing others jump into the volcano in Sept 2001 would stir up some ancient reaction to ritual sacrifice. That's why the media whores showed those images over and over and over and over and over.

As a result, they knew people would look to authority. I think this phenonemom (sp) was discovered by psychology quite some time ago.

They probably have another scientific name from group PTSD by now. But as a population, we were (still are) suffering from it yet. There is a reason that you're told not to make any major decisions after a loved one dies. You're not thinking correctly. The public was not thinking (at all) after sept. 01, so the gold-plated coffin salesmen that make up the crime family running America stepped in.


They needed a new pearl harbor to give them cover, and they got one. I think a few freaks in the govt. engineered this, and the creeps at the top let them so the power could take advantage and enrich themselves.

The Dems. probably are being threatened with their lives and their families lives. But the fascists are probably threatening to kill more of us peasants as well.

[Echo In Light]

57. "That's why the media whores showed those images over and over and over and over and over."

Minus the Pentagon footage, and tower #7's collapse. Whoopsie-daisy...

[Marr]

53. His crimes were done in the service of the wealthy and Wall Street, that's how.

[L. Coyote]

56. NOT YET!!! Seven years, three months, and some days. It may happen soon.

Depends on what more comes to light. For some offenses, there will be no other choice, even if the 8 year mark passes.

[Broadslidin]

58. Far to complicated for under-educated american riff-raff to understand.

The founding feudal father's fix is in...

With a flamboyant sounding "Electoral College" awaiting further orders,
an easily manipulated one 'political party' posing as a twosome.

And as the BBC recently discovered 1933 coup d'etat plans
for forcibly removing F.D.R. from office...
expect a 'contract' if anyone actually steps out of line.

[leftofthedial]

61. a. 2000 was a coup

b. we are in the depths of a brutal class war; his class infests our entire government and have abdicated all pretense at governance

[jmowreader]

66. This is exactly why

All it would do is encourage him.

How it works:

Impeachment is a fairly simple affair. You need a heinous crime committed by a government official, a simple majority in the House of Representatives and a two-thirds majority in the Senate, and whoever you've got the ass at this week goes home.

We can come up with the heinous crime fairly easily. The man commits a lot of impeachable offenses, so getting a crime isn't all that hard.

Now that we ostensibly have a Democratic majority in the House (although you can't tell by looking at them), pulling out a 50-percent-plus-one vote to refer to the Senate is no barrier, assuming all the Democrats and a handful of Republicans (the ones from liberal districts who'd like to get reelected) vote against Shrub.

The Senate requires, at the 100-senator level, about 67 votes to convict if you want to get rid of him. Or, conversely, you need 34 votes to acquit if you want to keep him. There is a very high probability that 34-35 Republicans would stand by Bush.

So let's say we ran impeachment into the Senate on some fairly substantial charges--ones that would send most dictators before a firing squad. If they come up with 35 votes to acquit, he'll think he won major approval of all he has done, and he'll get worse. I think that if Bush were to keep his office after an impeachment, he'd either nuke Iran or send a few Democratic senators some care packages.

OTOH, it WOULD have been nice if they would have at least made a little more strenuous of an objection to John Roberts and Samual Alito.

[wiggs]

68. Why did Conyers, a good dem, sit on introduction of articles and request for hearing? nt

[SexiJesi23]

69. Because he has friends in the media n/t

[indepat]

70. Sadly, the American people are getting the government they deserve

:D

[melody]

72. No group of people "deserve" anything bad or good

To suggest this is to pass judgment on an entire race of people based upon one's own narrow experiences. And that is
the essence of bigotry.

[indepat]

76. This is supposed to be the government of the people, by the people and for the people, a people who,

as a people, have stood by and watched an extreme right wing cabal seize control of our government through a hostile takeover (stolen elections); take us to an illegal (not my assessment) war of aggression; offload trillions of dollars from the treasury in the process; make a frontal assault on most of the Bill of Rights, the rule of law, and our constitutional form of government; severely damage our economy, our standard of living, the capital markets, the stock markets, and the value of the dollar thereby endangering every promised entitlement hereinafter Americans have worked for, be it military/civilian pensions, social security, medicare, the works. But we, as a people, were helpless to act: in fact tens of millions of our citizens have supported this cabal's every move, the Congress has acted in near lockstep fashion to fund the war of aggression and eviscerate the Bill of Rights, and the mostly loathsome MSM have largely shilled for the cabal's every move, no matter how destructive, and the Federal courts have also aided and abetted this cabal who don't give a diddle-dy-f*ck what either you or I or the American people think and, from all indications, another enemy is in their cross-hairs. But there was nothing we the people could do in this once land of the free and home of the brave but just sit back and sigh while filling up our tanks with $4 a gallon gasoline. :grr: :shrug: :cry:

[melody]

85. But it isn't anymore -- it hasn't been since 1964.

And arguably before that. We lost our actual government -- which is why we need to get it back.

We are no more responsible than the Iranian people are for the Mullah.

[indepat]

90. Arguably back to 1947 when the national security state (Gore Vidal's words as I recall) came into

being. But all is not lost for this heavily indebted national security state, with the mightiest arsenal ever known to man, has: waged more wars and killed/maimed more people on the soil of others than surely any other nation since WWII, wreaking untold devastation in the process; and toppled any number of governments not leaning far enough to the right, all these through actions, for the most part, would meet the classic definition of terrorism in the eyes of many. But you see, only the guys who wear the black hats commit terrorist acts and the US always, always, wears the white hat. :shrug:

[melody]

94. These wars have been waged by the Bush family and their allies

They constitute a direct attack on the inside of this country by international entities. The entities involved
become obvious, imo, when one considers which political entity is best served by our downfall.

There are no black or white hats -- or black or whites -- there are only human beings. We're all culpable in our
own way, and that means non-Americans as well.

[Broadslidin]

104. Mark Twain: Imperial U.S. answer to Filipino Aspirations for Independence, "Murder 'um".

U.S. style diplomacy beginning in 1898.

The thrill of using a new model machine gun and
U.S. government sanctioned murder.

http://www.gov.ph/forum/thread.asp?rootID=54133&catID=18

[indepat]

107. And nuke 'em was one Imperial U. S. solution to Vietnamese aspirations for independence

offered during the siege at Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Had the US not supported and funded a continued French colonialism of Vietnam following WWII, wistfully thinking maybe there would have not been a Vietnam War. :shrug:

[melody]

111. 1954 is entirely within the time period of the Bush family

I know you'd love to prove reasons for your hatred but the fact of the matter is the US is no more "evil" than any other power -- power itself is the disturbing factor. If you don't believe that, you know nothing of history (most especially including Europe which is currently creating a nation state that will make our fascism look like a walk in the park).

Myself, I'd LOVE to see the US reduced to a local power that ONLY takes care of itself. I'm a devout believer in isolationism. I'd love to see the nationals of every nation have to pony up for global domination. And I'd LOVE to see my own people (the American people) taken care of for a change.

[melody]

109. Unfortunately, imperialists have been a part of every nation forever

My Irish ancestors can attest to that.

In a large country, it's difficult to root them all out.

[pork medley]

80. "american" isnt a race n/t

[melody]

84. Any group of people (or beings) is a "race" -- "race" has nothing to do with complexion

It applies to any symbolic taxonomic group.

How many times have I had to point this out?

[indepat]

108. As in Churchill's the "American race"

[melody]

112. You really hate Americans, don't you? lol n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

81. I know I don't deserve it.

And neither do the majority of voters in our country, who voted against the @$#%&*@ Resident in 2000 AND 2004

[melody]

95. Most of the people who voted for them have been the victims of the educational system

The destruction of our solid central government has led to our destruction as a people.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

97. or vice versa

[timtom]

71. The true result of "shock and awe"

[earth mom]

73. There is massive CORRUPTION on both sides of the aisle...

It's more like the mafia than government by and for the people.

I remember hearing a D.C. insider (can't remember who) who said that D.C. is like the Wild West.

:grr:


p.s. Good to see you around Philosoraptor! :hi:

[Chicago1]

75. JUST WAIT FOR INDICTMENTS WHEN THEY ARE LIFTED FROM UNDER SEAL!!!!

This game is NOT OVER YET.


The Democrats have some WONDERFUL surprises for the RepubliCANTS. Dumb Dumb will get indicted or impeached before he's out of OUR WHITE HOUSE!!!!



GEORGE AND DICK ARE GETTING IMPEACHED AND INDICTED!!!!


START THE IMPEACHEMENT

[Stinky The Clown]

77. Its the GOP-engineered "Clinton Vaccine"

They pushed a totally bullshit impeachment of a well-liked president. The country saw through it as a political stunt and nothing more. NO ONE really wanted him impeached. But they pushed.

The plan all along was to make impeachment a joke. So today, when we have the textbook example of why the Founding Fathers allowed for it, the moron populace sees it as ...... a joke.

"Clinton Vaccine"

[AZ Criminal JD]

78. Obama supporter Pelosi took impeachment off the table.

[MNBrewer]

83. Two words

Nancy Pelosi

[Swamp Rat]

86. Philosoraptor!!

:hi::hug:

[HuffleClaw]

88. because the media is owned by republicans?

who would not have supported it

and they wouldn't have got a conviction

[philly_bob]

89. Blackmail dossiers on Congress? /nt

[frogcycle]

92. How and why?

We are Through the Looking Glass.

[ColbertWatcher]

93. How? FOX fear, obedient GOP Congress. Why? Coverup Poppy's papers. n/t

[specimenfred1984]

96. (R)epukes won't find any other (R) guilty of anything

There's 1 and only 1 reason why the entire corrupt regime isn't in jail right now: (R)s.

[HughBeaumont]

99. The Corporaete Party exists on both sides of the aisle.

The people refuse to revolt.

The media would refuse to broadcast it.

What the wealthy want, the wealthy will GET, no matter what the cost to everything and anyone else.

[ColbertWatcher]

101. Ralph? n/t

[SmokingJacket]

105. I do think it has to do with Clinton.

Maybe, or else just the cowardice of Congress.

[yurbud]

110. opposition research, wiretapping opponents, anthrax to opponents, & Wellstone

any questions?

[yurbud]

113. also, about half of Dems are corporate owned, so they would need to be 100%

of Congress to even have a slim chance of introducing the charges in the House.