What IS it about Hillary that I don't like?

[SoFlaJet]

I don't get it-I mean I'm a democrat but I am sitting here watching her on Countdown saying to myself please Al Gore RUN!!!! Maybe it's the McCauliffe,Carville gang all trying to throw rose pedals in our faces.Maybe it's almost this sense of entitlement with all the money and publicity.I don't know but I will NOT vote for her in any primary...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Is it the phoniness?

[illinoisprogressive]

2. She is a faker. She pretends to be normal and you know she's a viper

She is DLC and will sell, if not already, her soul for power and money. And anyone else she knows.
She would throw chelsea under a bus if it meant power.
she is sneaky, unprincipaled and greedy

[DURHAM D]

8. What crap - throw Chelsea under a bus...

When I see post likes yours and the other ones on this thread my first thought is that the poster is unreasonable, unable to actually judge character and more importantly, I would never want to serve on a committee with you.

I am not a Senator Clinton supporter but I am also not accustomed to mature Dems acting like this.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

40. That dude

would vote for a tin can over Hillary. So don't take it seriously.

[tblue]

11. That's below the belt. She's been a good mother to Chelsea, as far as I can see. Look how she

turned out. Anyone would be proud to have a daughter like that, and that reflects good parenting. It's shameful what you said, and I'm no huge Hillary backer either.

[3121guitarist]

3. Because she is not real.

I don't believe a word she says, she is a calculated politico. Kucinich all the way babee

[uppityperson]

4. She is a politician, playing politics.

[WI_DEM]

5. for me it's just that we don't need the possiblility of 28 years (1989-2017)

of two families dominating the WH--Bush and Clinton. Let's move on.

[BlueStateModerate]

7. Wow, that's scary

I really hate the the US may become essentially a two-family monarchy. She might end up driving me to my first non-Democratic vote.

[oasis]

16. "Let's move on" you say. 200 years of males "dominating the WH".

:eyes:

[WI_DEM]

19. you, silly--I have nothing against a woman in the WH, I do have something

against dynasties. Compared to other respondents to this thread I thought I was pretty kind to her.
p.s.
If Gore doesn't run, my favorite is Obama, a man, but certainly not what we've had for 200 years.

[oasis]

22. My point. The most capable Dem, male or female, regardless of bloodline.

Hillary will put together a fantsatic team that can fish America out of the social, economic and foreign policy dumpster.

If she's the best person for the job, I say, let her have a try at it.

[WI_DEM]

24. perhaps and if she's nominated she'll have my support

but the best qualified if you want to look at it from an experience point of view may be Bill Richardson (or Al Gore, of course, if he runs).

[oasis]

28. "If she's nominated" she'll have the support of every loyal Democrat.n/t

[zonkers]

39. Damn straight. I like Hilly but she is so divisive --- I dont want her to run.

[driver8]

6. I don't like her, either.

I don't trust her, for one thing. Plus, it is time for some new blood in the Whitehouse -- enough of this Bush and Clinton hold on the Presidency.

[tblue]

9. I think she would make a very effective president, but I haven't warmed up to her and I'm not sure

why either. Here's her voting record and most of it looks okay: http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268 Except her votes for Condo-liar and the Patriot Act. I'm not ruling her out just yet because I think she is exceptionally capable. She's not a knee-jerk liberal, which I would very much prefer, but maybe that's too much to hope for in this day and age.

[mdmc]

10. She is going to win in 2008

As a Democrat it is hard to feel so confident. She makes us :mad:

[SoFlaJet]

15. I can't see it happening

we need divine intervention or something. Right now I'm for Edwards,Obama,but mostly hoping for Al Gore to get what my state stole from him in 2000-until then the earth is still spinning off it's axis

[mdmc]

35. I hear you my friend

I suggest that we just sit back and enjoy the ride. Perhaps she will ask Gore to veep for her:shrug:

[davidwparker]

12. Run, Gore. That's not a pro- or anti-Hillary statement. I just want Gore to

run.

[tblue]

14. I would vote for Gore in a heartbeat. Hillary is so far ahead in fundraising, tho. She thinks and

behaves like a winner. I don't think 'failure' is in her vocabulary, and I give her a lot of credit for that.

[davidwparker]

20. It's good to have positive thoughts. But, here's my thing about the money.

She can't be the nominee if the Dems don't turn out to vote for her. I won't be voting for her in the primary. It doesn't matter if she has $100 or $100 million. I'm not casting a vote for Hillary in the primary. Period.

I voted for Edwards in the VA primary in 2004 (when it was clear Dean wasn't going to be the nominee) and I will vote for Edwards again before I vote for Hillary. If Gore doesn't run, then I may be voting for Edwards anyhow. Too early and potentially too many GREAT Dem candidates.

[tblue]

36. Right now, I'd vote for Edwards, too. I hope you're right. $$ isn't everything.

[dropkickpa]

13. For me, I think it's that

she to much of a centrist. I can't reconcile voting for her in a primary when there are others who are more to the left on the ballot.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. For me, it's the same things I don't like about JoeMentum.

[tblue]

21. Here's how she has voted. What do you think now?

Abortion Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
03/17/2005 Unintended Pregnancy Amendment Y
10/21/2003 Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill N
10/21/2003 Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill N
06/21/2002 Military Abortion Amendment Y

Agriculture Issues


Date Bill Title Vote
05/08/2002 Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 Y
02/13/2002 Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 Y

Appropriations

Date Bill Title Vote
07/12/2006 Transit Security Amendment Y
06/22/2006 Defense Department FY 2007 Authorization bill Y
06/15/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006 Y
05/04/2006 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2006 Y
05/03/2006 Influenza Vaccine Injury Compensation Amendment Y
05/02/2006 Sugarcane Growers Funding Amendment N
12/21/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations bill Y
12/21/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations bill N
11/16/2005 Commerce, Justice, Science, Appropriations Bill FY 2006 Y
11/15/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Authorization bill Y
11/10/2005 Foreign Operations FY2006 Appropriations Bill Y
11/03/2005 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA Appropriations Act Y
10/27/2005 After School Funding Amendment Y
10/27/2005 Labor, HHS, Education, FY 2006 Appropriations bill Y
10/26/2005 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Funding Amendment N
10/20/2005 Transportation, Treasury, HUD, Judiciary, Appropriation Y
10/07/2005 Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations bill Y
10/05/2005 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program Amendment Y
09/22/2005 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA Appropriations Act Y
07/29/2005 Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2006 Y
07/29/2005 Interior Department FY 2006 Appropriations Bill Y
07/20/2005 Foreign Operations FY2006 Appropriations Bill Y
07/19/2005 US Agency for International Development Amendment N
07/14/2005 Homeland Security Department FY 2006 Appropriations Act Y
07/14/2005 Increase the Number of Detention Beds Amendment N
07/11/2005 Air Cargo Security Programs Implementation Amendment Y
07/01/2005 Energy and Water Appropriations bill FY 2006 Y
06/29/2005 Interior Department FY 2006 Appropriations Bill Y
05/10/2005 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2005 Y
04/21/2005 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2005 Y
04/20/2005 Future Military Funding for Iraq Amendment Y
09/21/2004 Legislative Branch FY2005 Appropriations Bill Y
07/22/2004 Defense Department FY2005 Appropriations bill Y
06/24/2004 Defense Department FY2005 Appropriations bill Y
03/12/2004 Budget Appropriations, FY2005 resolution N
01/22/2004 Omnibus FY2004 Appropriations Bill N
11/12/2003 Fiscal 04 Military Construction Appropriation-Adoption Y
11/06/2003 Department of Labor, HHS, and Education Appropriations, Y
11/06/2003 Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2004 Y
09/25/2003 Terrorism Information Awareness bill Y
09/16/2003 Energy and Water Appropriations, FY 2004 bill Y
07/24/2003 Homeland Security Appropriations, FY 2004 bill Y
07/17/2003 Terrorism Information Awareness bill Y
07/11/2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriation, FY 2003 bill Y
04/03/2003 Appropriations for Operations in Iraq Y
02/13/2003 Fiscal 03 Omnibus Appropriations-Adoption Y
01/23/2003 Consolidated Appropriations Resolution, 2003 N
10/16/2002 Department of Defense Appropriations, FY2003 bill Y
08/01/2002 Department of Defense Appropriations, FY2003 bill Y
07/25/2002 Legislative Branch Appropriation, FY2003 bill Y
07/24/2002 Supplemental Appropriations, FY2002 bill Y
07/18/2002 Military Construction Appropriations Act FY2003 Y
06/07/2002 Supplemental Appropriations, FY2002 bill Y
12/07/2001 District of Columbia FY2002 Appropriations bill Y
12/04/2001 Department of Transportation Appropriations Act FY 2002 Y
11/15/2001 Appropriations bill FY2002, Commerce, Justice, State Y
11/15/2001 Agriculture FY2002 Appropriations bill Y
11/08/2001 Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations Act of 2002 Y
11/06/2001 Labor, HHS and Education Appropriations Act, 2002 Y
11/01/2001 Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act, 2002 Y
11/01/2001 Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act 2002 Y
10/18/2001 Military Construction FY2002 Appropriations bill Y
10/17/2001 Interior Department Appropriations for FY 2002 Y
09/26/2001 Military Construction FY2002 Appropriations bill Y

Budget, Spending and Taxes

Date Bill Title Vote
08/03/2006 Death/EstateTax and Minimum Wage Bill of 2006 N
05/11/2006 Tax Reconciliation bill N
03/16/2006 Natural Resources and Environment Funding Amendment Y
03/16/2006 Debt Limit Increase Resolution N
03/16/2006 2007 Budget Resolution N
03/16/2006 Education Funding Amendment Y
03/14/2006 Reinstate Pay-As-You-Go through 2011 Amendment Y
02/02/2006 Tax Reconciliation bill Y
12/21/2005 Budget Reconciliation bill N
11/18/2005 Tax Reconciliation Bill Y
11/17/2005 Pay As You Go Amendment Y
11/17/2005 Hurricane Victims Tax Benefit Amendment Y
11/17/2005 Temporary Tax on Crude Oil Amendment Y
11/17/2005 Earned Income Tax Credit Amendment Y
11/17/2005 Tax Rate Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Pay As You Go Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Budget Reconciliation bill N
11/03/2005 Medicare Prescription Drug Amendment Y
04/28/2005 Budget FY2006 Appropriations Resolution N
03/17/2005 Homeland Security Grant Program Amendment Y
03/17/2005 Budget FY2006 Appropriations Resolution N
03/17/2005 Native American Funding Amendment Y
03/17/2005 Tax Subsidy for Domestic Companies Amendment Y
03/17/2005 Perkins Vocational Education Program Amendment Y
03/17/2005 Education Amendment Y
10/11/2004 JOBS (Jumpstart Our Business Strength) Y
09/23/2004 Increased Child Tax Credit bill Y
05/11/2004 Jumpstart Our Business Strength (JOBS) Act Y
04/29/2004 Internet Access Tax bill Y
05/23/2003 Jobs and Economic Growth bill N
05/15/2003 Jobs and Economic Growth bill N
04/11/2003 Congressional Budget for fiscal year 2004 N
03/26/2003 Budget Resolution FY2004 N
03/19/2003 ANWR Oil Drilling Amendment Y
05/26/2001 Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act, 2001 N
05/23/2001 Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act, 2001 N
05/10/2001 Fiscal Year 2002 Budget Resolution N

Business and Consumers

Date Bill Title Vote
11/17/2005 Price-Gouging During Emergencies Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Targeted Case Management Amendment Y
07/26/2005 Corporate Financing of Terrorism Amendment Y
03/10/2005 Bankruptcy Reform Bill NV
03/08/2005 Violent Protestor Amendment Y
03/07/2005 Minimum Wage Amendment N
03/07/2005 Minimum Wage Amendment Y
04/08/2004 Pension Funding Equity Act of 2004 Y
07/15/2002 Accounting Industry Reform bill Y
06/18/2002 Terrorism Insurance Bill Y

Campaign Finance and Election Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
10/16/2002 Help America Vote Act of 2002 N
04/11/2002 Equal Protection of Voting Rights Act of 2001 Y
03/20/2002 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 Y
02/27/2002 Equal Protection of Voting Rights Act of 2001 N
04/02/2001 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 Y
03/26/2001 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 Y
03/21/2001 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act - Union Amendment Y
03/20/2001 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2001 Y

Civil Liberties

Date Bill Title Vote
06/27/2006 Flag Desecration Constitutional Amendment N

Congressional Affairs

Date Bill Title Vote
11/10/2005 Investigating Contracts in Iraq Amendment Y
10/18/2005 Congressional Pay Raise Amendment Y
09/15/2005 Financial Relief For Hurricane Katrina Victims Amend Y
09/14/2005 Congressional Commission on Hurricane Katrina Y
09/14/2005 Special Committee on Contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq Y
10/23/2003 Congressional Pay Raise Amendment N

Defense
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Date Bill Title Vote
11/15/2005 Judicial Review of Detainees Amendment Y
11/15/2005 Status of Detainees Substitute Amendment Y
11/10/2005 Detainees at Guantanamo Bay Amendment N
11/08/2005 National Commission on Detainees Amendment Y
07/26/2005 National Defense Authorization Act - Cloture N
06/23/2004 Military Construction FY2005 Authorization bill Y
11/12/2003 Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization - Conference Report Y
10/17/2003 Emergency Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan Y
05/22/2003 Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization-Passage Y
12/13/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 Y
10/02/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002 Y

Education

Date Bill Title Vote
10/26/2005 Individuals with Disabilities Education Amendment Y
10/26/2005 Elementary and Secondary Education Act Amendment Y
10/25/2005 To Increase The Maximum Federal Pell Grant Amendment Y
05/13/2004 Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act Y
05/13/2004 Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act Y
12/18/2001 No Child Left Behind Act Y

Employment and Affirmative Action

Date Bill Title Vote
05/11/2004 Unemployment Benefits Amendment Y

Energy Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
08/01/2006 Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act of 2006 Y
03/16/2006 LIHEAP Funding Amendment Y
03/16/2006 ANWR Revenues Amendment N
11/03/2005 Alaska Judicial Review Amendment Y
10/26/2005 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program Amendment Y
07/29/2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 N
06/28/2005 Energy Policy Act of 2005 Y
06/16/2005 Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) Amendment Y
06/16/2005 Reduction in Dependence on Foreign Oil Y
06/14/2005 Environmental Effects Caused by Ethanol Amendment N
03/16/2005 Arctic National Wildlife Refuge Drilling Amendment Y
07/31/2003 Energy Omnibus bill N
06/10/2003 Reduction of Foreign Oil Dependence Amendment Y
06/10/2003 Hydrogen Fuel Cell Amendment Y
04/25/2002 Securing America's Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001 N

Environmental Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
12/21/2005 Removal of ANWR Provision from HR 2863 Y
11/03/2005 ANWR Amendment Y
09/13/2005 EPA's Clean Air Mercury Rule Y
10/30/2003 Healthy Forests Restoration Act of 2003 N

Executive Branch
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Date Bill Title Vote
12/07/2006 Andrew von Eschenbach, Commissioner of Food and Drugs Y
12/06/2006 Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense Y
05/26/2006 Michael Hayden Confirmation N
01/31/2006 Samuel Alito, Associate Justice N
09/27/2005 John Roberts, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court N
06/20/2005 Second cloture motion on John Bolton, Ambassador to UN N
06/14/2005 Thomas B. Griffith, US Circuit Judge N
06/09/2005 Richard A Griffin, US Circuit Judge Y
06/09/2005 Janice R Brown, US Circuit Court N
06/09/2005 David W. McKeague, US Circuit Judge Y
06/09/2005 William H. Pryor, Jr., US Circuit Judge N
05/26/2005 First cloture motion on John Bolton, Ambassador to UN N
05/25/2005 Priscilla R. Owen, US Circuit Judge N
05/24/2005 Motion to invoke cloture on Priscilla R. Owen Y
04/21/2005 John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence Y
02/15/2005 Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security Y
02/03/2005 Alberto R. Gonzales, for Attorney General N
01/26/2005 Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State Y
01/06/2005 Objection to Presidential Electoral Vote Certificate N
10/28/2003 Michael Leavitt, Adiminstrator of the EPA Y
01/22/2003 Thomas Ridge, Secretary of Homeland Security Y
02/01/2001 John Ashcroft for Attorney General N
01/30/2001 Gale Ann Norton for Secretary of the Interior N
01/30/2001 Christine Todd Whitman for Administrator of the EPA Y
01/24/2001 Thompson for Secretary of Health and Human Services Y
01/24/2001 Norman Y. Mineta for Secretary of Transportation Y
01/23/2001 Anthony Principi for Secretary of Veterans Affairs Y
01/23/2001 Martinez for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Y

Family and Children Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
07/25/2006 Child Custody Protection Act N
07/25/2006 Teen Pregnancy Education Amendment Y
07/14/2004 Federal Marriage Amendment N
04/10/2003 Enhance AMBER Alert bill Y
02/24/2003 Enhance AMBER Alert bill Y

Foreign Aid and Policy Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
09/07/2006 Media in the Middle East Amendment N
03/16/2006 National Defense Funding Amendment N
11/15/2005 Reporting Matters in Iraq Amendment Y
11/15/2005 Iraq Progress Reports Amendment Y
12/07/2001 International Courts Amendment Y

Government Reform

Date Bill Title Vote
11/19/2002 Homeland Security Act of 2002 Y

Gun Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
07/13/2006 Firearm Confiscation Prohibition Amendment N
07/29/2005 Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill N
07/28/2005 Child Safety Lock Amendment Y
03/02/2004 Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill N

Health Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
11/03/2005 Medicaid Generic Drug Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Medical Assistance and Prescription Drug Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Hurricane Health Care for Survivors Amendment Y
10/27/2005 AIDS Drug Assistance Program Amendment Y
03/17/2005 Medicaid Amendment N
06/27/2003 Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit bill N
07/31/2002 Greater Access to Affordable Pharmaceuticals Act Y
06/29/2001 Patients' Bill of Rights bill Y

Immigration
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Date Bill Title Vote
10/31/2006 Secure Fence Act of 2006 Y
07/13/2006 Double-Layered Fencing Amendment N
06/20/2006 Triple-Layered Fencing Amendment Y
05/25/2006 Confidentiality Requirement Amendment N
05/25/2006 Immigration Reform Bill Y
05/24/2006 H-2C Visa Program Ammendment Y
05/23/2006 Orange Card Program Amendment Y
05/23/2006 Employer Verification Amendment Y
05/18/2006 "State Criminal Alien Assistance Program" Amendment Y
05/18/2006 English As National Language Amendment N
05/18/2006 English as Unifying Language Amendment Y
05/17/2006 Employment-based Immigrant Visa Amendment N

Labor

Date Bill Title Vote
06/21/2006 Increasing Minimum Wage Amendment N
06/21/2006 Minimum Wage Adjustment Amendment Y
03/06/2001 Ergonomics Regulations resolution N

Legal Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
02/10/2005 Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 N
04/22/2004 Victims' Rights bill Y
03/25/2004 Unborn Victims of Violence Act 2004 N

Military Issues
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Date Bill Title Vote
09/28/2006 Oversight of CIA Interrogation and Detention Amendment Y
09/28/2006 Military Commissions Act of 2006 N
09/28/2006 Habeas Review Amendment Y
09/28/2006 Military Commissions Amendment Y
09/06/2006 Cluster Munitions Amendment N
06/22/2006 Troop Redeployment Amendment N
02/02/2006 Military Funding and Tax Cuts Amendment Y
05/21/2004 Condemning Iraq Abuse of Prisoners resolution Y
10/11/2002 Use of Military Force Against Iraq Y

National Security Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
09/13/2006 Security of Cargo Containers Amendment Y
09/12/2006 National Security Amendment Y
07/12/2006 Rail and Transit Security Amendment Y
07/11/2006 USEMA Amendment N
07/11/2006 FEMA Amendment Y
03/02/2006 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Y
12/16/2005 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization N
07/14/2005 Disclosure of Classified Information Amendment Y
10/06/2004 National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004 Y
10/25/2001 USA Patriot Act of 2001 Y
09/14/2001 Military Force Authorization resolution Y

Science and Medical Research

Date Bill Title Vote
07/18/2006 Stem Cell Research Bill Y

Senior and Social Security Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
02/02/2006 Medicare Part D Amendment Y
11/17/2005 Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Prescription Drug Plan Amendment Y
11/03/2005 Medicare Premiums Amendment Y
03/17/2005 Prescription Drugs Amendment Y

Social Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
06/07/2006 Same Sex Marriage Resolution N
06/11/2002 Hate Crimes Bill Y

Technology and Communication

Date Bill Title Vote
10/22/2003 Reduction of SPAM bill Y
09/25/2003 Do-Not-Call Registry bill Y
09/16/2003 FCC Media Ownership bill Y

Trade Issues
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Date Bill Title Vote
09/19/2006 U.S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement Implementation Y
06/29/2006 U.S. -Oman Free Trade Agreement Y
07/28/2005 CAFTA Implementation Bill N
06/30/2005 CAFTA Implementation Bill N
07/07/2003 U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act Y
07/07/2003 U.S.-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act Y
08/01/2002 Trade Act of 2002 N

Transportation Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
07/29/2005 Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users Y
05/17/2005 Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users Y
02/12/2004 Highway Trust Fund bill Y
06/12/2003 Aviation Administration FY2004-2006 Authorization bill Y
09/21/2001 Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act Y

Veterans Issues

Date Bill Title Vote
02/02/2006 Tax Rate Extension Amendment Y
11/17/2005 Additional Funding For Veterans Amendment Y
10/05/2005 Health Care for Veterans Amendment Y

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. I'll stick with my assessment.

Measure Title: A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

Clinton (D-NY), Yea

Lieberman (D-CT), Yea

[tblue]

30. I don't much care for that one, either.

[blondie58]

18. I feel the same way

I think what it is is that she is a very calculating, professional politician.

I think that she says whatever she thinks people want to hear, not what she really feels or intends to do.

I respect her a lot, she is a smart lady and she stood by her husband when he made that fateful mistake. It may not have been for totally selfless reasons, but the fact is that she didn't leave Bill as many women would have done.

She is most definitely not my favorite candidate.


RUN AL RUN!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. I Can Tell You Why Quite Flatly:

And personally, I don't love her nor do I really have anything against her. But from a complete viewpoint of objectivity, I would wager that your dislike of her is for one clear reason:

She just absolutely exudes from all of her pores the embodiment of being a politician. She just oozes out the vibe of a politician.

And let's face it: Most of us have become quite disgusted with politicians.

[Indiana_Dem]

25. I'm not sure, either. I've felt the same as many on here, too.

I am also a Gore fan. I also probably and most likely will NOT vote for her in the primary (it doesn't matter because the Indiana primary is so much later that it doesn't make a difference and many of the Dems here usually vote for the more moderate candidate anyway--I voted Kucinich in the '04 primaries)

That said.....I have been hearing really surprising viewpoints from my fellow nurse co-workers. On 3 separate days this week from 3 separate people (women)it was volunteered that they WANT Hillary. They WANT a woman president. They think it's time. They aren't caring whether she's for choice or not--and they are more conservative people in most aspects. They stated they didn't care. I was shocked. I thought there was more opposition to her but now I'm thinking that people may be re-thinking things after this present administration's fiasco's.

[rocktivity]

27. I figured it out while listening to a Stephanie Miller podcast

One of her sidekicks said that he felt that Bill Richardson lacked charisma. Stephanie replied, "That hasn't stopped Hillary!" The sidekick said, "She has charisma--I'm drawn to her." It dawned on me that I'm drawn to her, too--but the closer I get, the less I see. Like a mirage.

:headbang:
rocknation

[thoughtanarchist]

29. Maybe it's her track record on corporatism...

As first lady she was opposed to the bankruptcy bill, as a senator she voted for it. It's just a bit to much of the same ol' same ol' and not my preference for a president.

Even with his hawkish remarks on Iran, I'd prefer Edwards with his message of economic populism to Clinton in '08.

Kucinich or Gore or Feingold or 08ama or Clark or a ham sandwich (provided that it was a democratic ham sandwich) would all be far better primary picks than Hillary.

I think that finally, the nation is ready for universal healthcare, but I no longer think Mrs Clinton is ready for true, single payer, universal healthcare. It won't happen the way it needs to happen with her at the helm. She'll be too concerned with making concessions for the insurance and pharma industries.

I know it's a pipe dream but...

Bernie '08?

[godless]

31. What is it about Hillary that I don't like?

Answer: Everything!

[Annces]

32. Did you like you grade school female teachers?

I think some men are just put off by women in authority.

[AikidoSoul]

33. She has a wonderful smile and is appealing in many ways, but she is calculating

in to a degree that chills me. It's the type of calculation, the coldness of her moves that chills the heart. An example of this is the fact that she voted for the war and stuck by that decision for too. This makes me (and many of us_ not trust her, and not see her as a true leader.

I'm sure her sense of political / economic reality is that she knows the so many strings are being pulled from powerful players that we can't even see. Of course she knows that. We forget because we can't see the bastards!

Al Gore is the best person out there. He knows about the puppetmasters, but we're hoping he has learned that he would rather do the right thing even if it means he goes down in flames.

At least I hope he's learned that! If he turned into another wooden stick being driven by the handlers... I wouldn't be able to stomach it.

I'd like to see a woman in the top job -- but not Hillary, unless of course she is nominated. Nothing in the world would make me vote for a Repugnik

[lanlady]

34. I think she'll be the candidate in '08

and I think she'll win. Hillary hating is a spent force--the Rethugs have thrown everything at her and yet she survives and thrives. A lot of women I know are sick to death of the white guy power racket, and yearn for something different.

[Individualist]

37. She's DLC

[Raffi Ella]

38. Gee, I don't know

a MSM that has been a talking head of a repub'lic' controlled congress for the last decade or so, that impeached her Husband and have gotten their message through so loud and clear that it's seeped into your brain and become YOUR thoughts too...

I share your thoughts about her(although I am rooting for Obama) but I realized the other day that I know Nothing about this woman.NOTHING,except for what the MSM have put up for discussion about her...

I am going to watch her and listen.I'm going to try to forget everything I have heard about her and just let her prove to me why she should be the next President.

Until she proves otherwise I am not going to disparage this woman,there's no call for it except for the right wing, talking heads/repub'lic' controlled congress talking points about her that have been the norm over the last decade+

I even see the "talking points" about her here in this thread,it's very strange really,coming from intelligent Democrats.I mean,we're all so alert to talking points and msm propaganda that I find it hard to believe more of you don't realize you're spouting them off about her here.Seriously,I am guilty of it too about Hilary but like I said I am starting over with her.

She does lack a certain charisma but other than I have no problem with her and would actually LOVE it if Bill was back at the WhiteHouse.Oh,and the fact she'd be the First Woman Prsdient is very exciting as well.

[Swamp Rat]

41. Whatever you do, do NOT look into Carville's eyes!!!

:hide:

[mdmc]

42. I like her better then her team