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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:24 PM
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Grand Theft Auto IV repeatedly slams Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the Bush Agenda
When we think about the influence that entertainment media has had on our perception of politics we usually point to such sources of entertainment as music, film, television, and books. It is not very often that a video game is cited for its ability to make people think about the issues facing the world, but with this week’s release of Grand Theft Auto IV that may change.

When GTA IV debuted this week it set numerous sales records, and is very likely to become the top selling game of all time. And the critics received it just as well as the fans, with most publications giving out perfect scores it appears likely to become the best reviewed game of all time as well.

Tens of millions of people are going to play GTA IV, and everyone who plays it will get to hear some of the most subversive political content to ever grace a video game.

Yes, while Grand Theft Auto may be famous for its over-the-top violence and sexual content, it also features some of the most intelligent political satire to be heard this year. Fox News is not going to like this game, and the reason they are not going to like it has nothing to do with the sex or the violence. The reason they will hate it is because the game repeatedly slams the right-wing media and the Bush Administration in both subtle and not so subtle ways.

Grand Theft Auto IV takes place in Liberty City , or as we refer to it in the real world New York City. The hero of the game is Niko Bellic, an illegal immigrant who left Eastern Europe after witnessing the horrors of war in the hope of achieving the American dream. Upon arriving however he quickly realizes that the American dream is not as easily achievable as he had been led to believe and he ends up living in poverty with his cousin Roman who is being hunted down by loan sharks. The scenes involving Niko’s story are very serious, intense, and surprisingly very emotional. The key story scenes of the game are similar to a film along the lines of the Godfather or Scarface, but as we move from the main story sequences to the outside world the game becomes a brilliant and extremely humorous satire of American society.

If you try to go to Manhattan early in the game you will not be able to get across the bridge. Why is the Bridge closed? Because of unspecified terrorist threats of course. They don’t have any evidence that the terrorists may strike, but the commentators on Weasel News insist that the bridge needs to be closed down to protect our freedom. When the mayor of Liberty City wants to reopen the bridge this is the response from Weasel News:

If he is foolish enough to reopen the bridges, he and the President should put out a clear ultimatum. If Liberty City is attacked the United States will respond in kind. We will throw darts at a map and bomb any country we hit, only stopping when we are satisfied. Arbitrary violence must be met with arbitrary violence.


Yes, Weasel News plays a very prominent role in the game and their logo clearly represents that of a real-life “news” network named after another furry animal. As players progress through the game they regularly receive “furry and balanced” news updates from Weasel News which use hilariously tortured logic to blame liberals for all the problems of the world.

Fox News is not the only right-wing media source parodied however, Rush Limbaugh also makes a very prominent appearance on WKTT radio, the in-game right-wing talk station whose slogan is “Because democracy is worth suppressing votes for.” While Limbaugh goes by the name Richard Bastion in the game, if you don't figure out the influence for Bastion from his voice and his politics you will figure it out when he is encouraging his listeners to call in and he says “You listeners make the show. All I do is make the money and spend it on face fulls of pharmaceuticals that make me go deaf.”

Bastion spews off all kinds of right-wing talking points in ways which truly illustrate their absurdity. When asked why we went to war his answer is simple. “We did it for freedom...and we did it for valuable munitions contracts.” Of course any character based off Rush Limbaugh has to rail against the “liberal media” which is public television. Bastion goes off on a rant about how the puppets of public television children's shows are corrupting children with the liberal agenda. Bastion makes it clear what he thinks of puppets;“The only puppet I like is the President.”

Throughout the game, Grand Theft Auto IV makes repeated jabs at many Republican talking points. The game clearly set out to show just how ridiculous the notion of a “war on terrorism” is and, if you want to see for yourself how the game takes on this issue go here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FXFPBiAN64&feature=related and watch for yourself to see just how pointed the humor is.

There are many, many more slams on Republicans including an in-game television cartoon called “Republican Space Rangers”, which can be seen here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2Iy34aUhc

Corporate America takes just as much of a skewering as the right-wing does, and even the instruction book includes sharp jabs at big business. An ad for the fictional fast food chain Burger Shot which appears in the instruction book is pushing the 99 cent Heart Stopper burger by attacking the patriotism of those who don't eat the crap they push on us. Here are the words which appear in the ad:

What are you doing to us, America? Where has this sudden obsession with health come from? We don't spend billions of dollars advertising to children just for you to fill them with liberal ideas and plates of overpriced foilage. The combined GDP of the third world is threatening to catch up with our monthly profits and soon the US economy is going to be as tattered as your lower bowel after a week of eating BS sluggers for breakfast. Be a patriot. Eat at Burger Shot today.”


While there is no doubt that Grand Theft Auto IV does contain a great deal of material that many people will find objectionable, the truth is that despite the sex, the violence, and the crude humor the game is probably contains the most pointed social commentary that has ever appeared in a major video game release. And this is not just any major video game, this is likely to be the most popular and most critically acclaimed game of all time which means tens of millions of people will be enjoying numerous slams on the right-wing media and corporate America.

There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of references to political and social issues in this game and while the left does take a few jabs we definitely don't get skewered to the extent that the right does. Say what you will about the sex and the violence in the game, there is no doubt that some of it is disgusting, but when a game actually makes people look at our society's flaws and recognize the absurdity of the ideas being floated by the right that can only be a good thing.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:33 PM
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1. Well you can expect billo reilly, rush, insanity AND hillary clinton
to wholeheartedly condemn GTA IV.


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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:12 PM
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29. Glenn Beck already did.
He had Jack Thompson and some fuck-up from the PTC on his show last night, and of course, all three did nothing but trash it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:35 PM
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2. Thanks for posting!
I didn't know they were so political. Hey, if 10MM kids get their message, that's a damn good thing.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:38 PM
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3. They had a phone number set up for people to call in with their craziest right wing views.
You call up and rant and if it was good enough, they'd put it in the game. Excellent idea. I can't wait to get this game.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:28 AM
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15. Really?! That's genius. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:39 PM
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4. I wonder if they go after Clinton and Lieberman too.
I sure hope so.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:03 PM
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9. I haven't heard it yet, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen
I have barely scratched the surface of this game, it is massive and there is a ton of detail that only the most hardcore of players will ever see. I would guess there is a very high probability that Lieberman and Clinton do get skewered considering their history of going after the series, but I haven't heard it yet. If anyone has heard it let me know where in the game it happened, I would be interested to know.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:09 PM
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10. They should go after Joementum Limpmann McCrazzies
Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:10 PM by saigon68
Enabler
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:45 PM
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5. My. my I might just get it for the POLITICAL side of it
No, I'm not a fan of the GTA series, but it will probably have to go into the collection of books for the last seven years...
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:52 PM
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6. Weasel radio
all the news you need to know
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:52 PM
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7. the freepers must be just FREAKING about this
bwhahhhaahahahahhahaaaa
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:01 PM
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8. "Furry and balanced." Can this become a part of the language?
Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:02 PM by blondeatlast
Oh, that would do this non-gamers heart so very good...

:rofl:

Edit: K&R for a provocative topic...
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:30 PM
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11. Man, I've been ranting for a while that we need something like "SIMpeachment"
or a similar game like that that has our politics instead of shoot-em-up with no irony involved.

Might pick up a game for my PS3 instead of just playing Blue-Ray DVDs in it!

Still think that getting a SIMpeachment game would be what we really need to get the newer generation of kids woken up to what's needed now!
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:57 PM
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13. No word on SIMpeachment yet, but Hail to the Chimp comes out next month
I kid you not, there is a game called Hail to the Chimp coming out which involves a chimpanzee running for President. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/804/804944p1.html

I am sure this had no influence on the game developers whatsoever: http://bushorchimp.com/

No, I am sure it won't be anywhere near the level of quality of GTA IV, but just the title makes me want to play.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:34 PM
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12. When I saw the video from the first link a few days ago, I thought...
it was a joke, I didn't think it was really from GTA4. Its nice to see a corporation actually put some of the truth out of whats going. Its too bad its only in a game and wont reach more people.

I liked how they were killing the innocent people and joined up with the evil ones that were enslaving the others, makes you feel right at home doesn't it.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:57 PM
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14. Ah I love the GTA franchise.
Even in Vice City and San Andreas, they skewered corrupt politicians, big corporations, and the corporate media. Listen to the VCPR station from Vice City and one of the guests is right-wing Congressman Alex Shrub - who you get to photograph in one of the missions, as Borat would say, "making sexy time" with a prostitute. Another one of the guests is a deranged mother who overprotects her kids. Another one is a preacher with a huge ego who wants to build a statue of himself with donations from his parish.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:32 AM
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16. GTA San Andreas wasn't totally apolitical either...
...if you listened to all the radio stations you could pick it up.

"Weasel, Furry and balanced news" LOL
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:58 PM
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37. No, it certainly wasn't apolitical...
All of the previous GTA games have had a good deal of social commentary, particularly in the in-game radio stations and advertisements. I think GTA IV is without a doubt the most political one yet, but there is no doubt that previous editions have had their moments as well.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:14 AM
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62. Come to think of it, even Vice City had quite some commentary...
...social and about bombing other countries being patriotic or something along those lines and more... Would have to install it again, actually all this GTA talk makes me want to!

Unfortunately, I'd need to get a new PC for GTA IV.

Did you play all of these, too?
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:20 AM
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67. I have played all the GTA games...
And yes, they all feature biting social commentary. This one I think is the most blunt of them all though.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:31 AM
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69. All of them? You're my kinda guy!
:hi:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:37 AM
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71. A new PC and a time machine. It'll be at least a year, if ever, before
Edited on Sun May-04-08 10:38 AM by greyhound1966
they release a PC version, and since M$ has bought into the franchise, this one may never be released for PC.
:evilfrown:




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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:02 PM
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79. Crap, forgot about the time machine...
...well, won't get another PC for at least a year anyway (and it's 6 years old already) so problem solved. ;)

And M$ doesn't want GTA to come to the PC? Why?
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:17 PM
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81. It will be coming to PC most likely...
It will probably be at least six months to a year before it is released though. M$ actually does want it to come to PC, because they make money off Windows as well, but ultimately they have nothing to do with the decision it will be Rockstar's decision and they have supported the PC in the past.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:51 PM
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84. Much more profitable for their X-Box 360 franchise. They already have the Microserfs
paying them directly for the "exclusive content" only available for the X-Box. Just a guess on my part, from watching how this truly evil corporation operates over the last 3 decades.

M$ is the single greatest impediment to innovation in IT in the world today.




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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:49 AM
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17. And Apple
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:01 PM
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72. These GTA guys just hit these things... n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:11 AM
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18. they have done that in all of the past games as well
but i guess not to the extent in GTA4 (i haven't played it yet)...

The primary game makers (who are ironically british) have satarized almost every facet of american pop culture in this series, from politics to sports, commercialism, consumerism, media, our gun culture, etc etc...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:18 AM
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19. is the sexual content computer generated rape? i dont know. i dont know
much about the game or what the fuss was about in the past. but i heard that it was the ability to go on this game and rape.

is that true?
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:37 AM
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21. It's nonsense.
It's hyperbole from the "family values" crowd is what it is.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:14 PM
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25. thanks. hubby came home from lunch and explained. but not about a "pimp" mission. oblivion
hubby won an xbox ad got a couple games oblivion being one. marked mature and nudity and wtf... more shit. checked it out and read up on it. i have 10 and 13 yr old boys i am parenting. anyway, found out it was bullshit and bullshit was on pc not even xbox. i dont want to learn about all this stuff and become expert, but they really make it hard for parents.......

appreciate.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:47 PM
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33. If you are parenting, you probably don't want your kids near any GTA game...
No there is no rape scene in any of them, and while there is prostitution it plays an extremely tiny role in the game. That being said, this game is not Oblivion. I still have no clue why Oblivion got an M rating because most PG-13 movies and a lot of network television shows have way more mature content than that game does, but GTA on the other hand pushes the envelope as far as it can go. It is a satire, and is not meant to be taken seriously but young kids do not usually get satire. This is a great game for adults, but I would suggest keeping your kids away until they are mature enough to recognize that it is satire.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:52 PM
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34. oblivion, not the makers, but a hacker got in to take layer off leaving females to appear
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:57 PM by seabeyond
nude. it is stupid. stupid that a bunch of grown men want to go around with the layer of clothes off females to play a game. so stupid, doesnt work in my brain. but it is only on the pc this can be done. was t13. but after that was discovered went to M and nudity. huge and a fuss. as a parent we want to protect, but not be stupid about it. this was stupid.

something like that. i am not real puter brilliant.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:32 PM
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43. If you don't want those types of mods stay away from PC games...
PC games have been modded for years, if you don't want your kids to be able to do stuff like that keep them away from all PC games because once a PC game hits the market people can generally do whatever they want to it and the developers can't stop them. That should not effect the rating though, because if it did every major PC game out there would be rated M. The ESRB only rates the code that was provided by the developer, they do not rate user created mods.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:58 PM
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45. husband explained a little of this today
i better get it. now that i understand what they are talking about happening i am not nearly as concerned. we have the safe guards, connected to boys and they understand what is allowed and not. not to mentioned not skilled enough, or of age to desire it. but i hear what you are saying. when i read up on oblivion that is the only thing i found and they have been playing the game and i have not heard anything inappropriate about it. hubby playing it too. he would say something if he found anything


oh... i know the excuse they used to raise it to M. i forgot. the reason is it is much more violent than what they had thought it would be even though the creator says he had been very thorough in telling about the game that got it a t13. that is right.... and people were saying that though they used more violent to raise rating, was really about this nude thing

sorry. was a couple months ago i read about.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:14 PM
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46. Yeah, Noibody said anything about Tomb Raider...
When a bunch of fanboys came out with the infamous "nude parch."


Ahhhh.... memories....


Wait... Did I just type that out loud?

:yoiks:

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:46 PM
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47. You know what's stupid?
Being ignorant and proud of it.

"those of us that dont know shit about it and dont want to"
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:11 PM
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50. because i am not interested in computer and computer games and i dont want to learn about
Edited on Fri May-02-08 05:19 PM by seabeyond
something i am not interested in, i am stupid? that is so stupid. lol.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:30 PM
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51. I don't know that game, but what is dangerous about nudity?
I've never understood this. Thanks.



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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:02 PM
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53. dangerous? n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 06:02 PM by seabeyond
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:33 AM
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70. Something that children must be protected from.
We're all naked under our clothes. :hi:
:kick:


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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:04 PM
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39. I wonder if the kids involved in this crime were regularly exposed to crude games:
http://www.startribune.com/local/18333199.html

Even for adults, the game can become addicting and lead to distasteful actions. I can't explain why because it's a chapter in a book I am writing and I'd rather not give away the juicier stuff until after I get it published.

But I digress. That GARBAGE has to be banned.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:08 PM
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41. Are you actually being serious?
How can you possibly link the vandalism of a theater to Grand Theft Auto, when the article never suggested any such thing. Vandalism has existed much longer than GTA has.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:47 PM
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48. The guy's got a Bender avatar.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:54 AM
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65. Other uptight people said the same thing about Elvis..... wasn't true then and isn't true now.
Either you did your job as a parent well, or you did not.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:59 PM
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38. It is not hyperbole.
Children do happen to look at their environment, and their parents in particular as role models. That's how children learn what's right and what's wrong.

And yet many wonder why teenage crime has skyrocketed in this country.

Looking from the outside in, so to speak, it is quite clear the degenerated state of our media has influenced our population. I too realized I'm a part of the problem as I struggle to re-build the lines I once crossed. Some issues HAVE to be taboo or we become desensitized to them.

The right-wing, nor the left-wing, has anything to do with it. Doing nothing about the problem makes us chicken wings, however.


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:05 PM
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40. i couldnt agree with you more. thr out twenties and single i didnt care or get it
wasnt as bad then either. but i am watching my children and niece and nephews and their friends now, as they have gotten to the age. it has always been our house the boys friends came to. last weekend i had a kid i know well and they have hit thirteen. i heard him say something offensive and degrading about female for the first time. his military father is back in town parenting after not being a part of the kids life for a decade or more.

i told son.... i dont know how i am going to be able to do your friends if/when they mouth off about this stuff. my first inkling i might be walking into a challenge here. girls.... piece of cake, i lay it out straight harsh and in face no problem. but i am not gonna be listening to a bunch of shit from boys.....

thank you for recognizing and addressing.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:15 PM
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42. It is hyperbole, there are no rape scenes in GTA. Period.
If you want to claim that it is not hyperbole to claim there are rape scenes in the game then please show me where these rape scenes exist. There is some very inappropriate humor, but there are no rape scenes.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:57 PM
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44. It is hyperbole, as there are exactly *zero* video games that I am aware of that feature rape.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:10 PM by varkam
Certainly none of the GTA series, all of which I have played.

I suppose it is some small wonder that I am not out raping and pillaging my local community, huh?

eta The games are also rated M, which means that children shouldn't be able to purchase them. Perhaps if parents and retailers were a wee bit more vigilant about things, then kids might not play such games.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 12:20 AM
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60. well, there's plenty of rape video games in Japan...
but that's another story entirely, so let's not saunter too far over there.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #60
83. D'oh! No way!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:34 PM
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52. You state that "teenage(d) crime has skyrocketed", but there is no evidence
to support that. Actual numbers of crimes has increased over the last half century, but in relation to the increased population, it has actually gone down.

Why the panic over propaganda?



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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:42 AM
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23. You couldn't be further off the mark.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:47 AM by King Sandbox
There is no set mission to commit rape, nor is "rape" an option in the "sandbox" format of the game. soliciting prostitutes and getting "hot coffee" from girlfriends, yes, but not rape.

edit- The main character in GTA does have the option of purchasing the services of the prostitute, then when finished, can kill the prostitute and take his money back. This is not, however, any mission of the game, nor is it a requirement to complete the game. In fact, the creators added the "pimping" mission in the San Andreas game to deter such crap (when you successfully complete the pimping mission, hookers pay you for sex).



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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:11 PM
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24. so, in the main game there is a pimping mission.... jeesus and not in the
religious puritan way.... just crap, shit.... garbage. whatever. didn't know about this part of it, thanks for the explanation though.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:18 PM
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26. Yeah, but the pimping missions were not required to play the story to the end.
You didn't have to do them if you didn't want to.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:28 PM
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28. i see. i got it. thanks for the added info.
all this is relevent when checking out games, just those of us that dont know shit about it and dont want to, it is hard. so, this is good info. thanks
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:45 PM
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32. Garbage in, garbage out...
Garbage in, garbage out...

I've begun looking at PC and console games the same way conventional wisdom looked at religion for so many years-- our New & Improved (!) opiate of the masses (except for everyone on DU who plays of course-- as we all know how to maintain social responsibility... lol ).
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:54 PM
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36. you're funny
just once the garbage goes in, i dont do so good at getting it out, lol.

oh lantern.... i hear ya

good friday to you
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:03 PM
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57. The pimping mission, like almost the whole game, is really a driving game.
Get from point A to point B within a set time period. It really has nothing to do with prostitution.



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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
58. No. No rape.
But you can pick up hookers and have sex with them.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:31 AM
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20. I bought my PSII so I could get GTAIII...
and, of course, Vice City & San Andreas
But, I'm too poor to purchase a new system just to play GTAIV
After watching the commercials for GTAIV I pulled out the dusty PSII and started a new game of GTAIII.
What a great series
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:41 AM
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22. Remember Alex Shrub from "Vice City"?
"Call me Martha" :rofl:

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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:04 PM
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73. Yeah I remember that...
...that photographing mission, right? But who is the original to that??
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:15 PM
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85. He was one of the antagonists in the original GTA III.
The unnamed anti-hero (we learn his name is Claude in San Andreas, as well as the fact that Catalina is Caesar's cousin) had about half a dozen missions to complete for him. He was a weaselly assistant for the Burt Reynolds character in Vice City, which predates GTA III by a decade (1986).




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Lannigan Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:18 PM
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27. I was going to wait to get this game, but
I think I should get it NOW. Awesomely classic. I wonder how the gameplay is - anybody out there been playing it?
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:53 PM
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35. The gameplay is brilliant...
There is a reason this game got the first perfect 10 score that IGN has awarded since 1999, it is one of the best if not the best games ever made. If you liked any of the older GTA games you will love this one, and even if you didn't like the old ones you may still enjoy this one. The amount of detail put into this game is astounding, Liberty City is easily the most well designed environment in gaming history.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:19 PM
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74. The multiplayer is some of the best I've ever seen.
You and a bunch of friends can jump into the city with all the activity going on; cops, pedestrians, criminals, etc., and compete with one another, or even work together. You can do bank heists, have turf wars with other groups of players, street race... lots of different scenarios.
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tsdraegeth Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:18 PM
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30. I found the politics in previous GTA games
to be blunt and simplistic, if occasionally funny. FFVII and FFX, though, hold the title of masterful social analysis in the video game medium.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:44 PM
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31. GTA3 lets people screw prostitutes, steal cars, beat people, collect money, and play Hot Coffee...
So what?

I wish I could make money foisting sleaze like they do. Anybody know how to de-condition a decent man into a money-maker?

:shrug:
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:51 AM
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63. Become a repulican?
seems to work for every one of them in office lol.
Getting GTA IV now might not be a bad idea. Don't know how "they" are going to force changes in teh coe, etc later on.
Here in Europe nudity isn't really an issue.
Hell we have soft porn on the weekends after 11 at night! :)

The hoo-ha over sex is really over done in the states, and I'm from the bay area.
Seeing how they deal with it over here, and other parts of the world, makes me embarrassed that we Americans wig out soo much over it. It's really unhealthy to suppress it like we do. All we end up doing is invading other countries over it!
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:07 PM
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49. Before video games there was no violence, theft, or marijuana use.
We all lived in a perfect utopia.


p.s. There was no lust before porn.
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:13 PM
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54. Not so fast, my friend!
I linked your thread on another board, and one guy says there is a whole station that parodies NPR and rips liberals.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. what is
barrack cookin?

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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:42 PM
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56. Yes, there is. As I said we take some hits as well, but not nearly to the extent the right does.
The NPR station is actually quite funny, and it is not all about ripping liberals. Yes, we take some jabs but overall the right gets bloodied up far more than we do.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:52 AM
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64. LINKS PLEASE!
You can't say there's a entire station that parodies, and NOT post a link!!!!
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:18 AM
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66. You will have to get the game, I don't know of any link on the internet...
I can assure you they are in the game though, but I need to make it clear the public radio station is not all about bashing the left. Yes, we take a few blows but the right takes more than we do even on the public radio station. Public radio features interviews with a right-wing candidate for governor, and HMO and pharmaceutical company executives. I wish I had a link to the full audio, but this is the best I can do, the official game website: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42927483&pid=933036

There is a mockup of the weasel news website, and some other satirical jabs on the website but obviously it does not have everything that is in the game.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:21 PM
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75. GTA:SA had "I Say/You Say"
Which was rather horrible to both wings (I lost it at "you missed a perfectly good time to talk about recycling and organ donation!" hearing that the first time), but was also a hoot regardless. The talk radio stations in the various GTAe I've played weren't exactly kind to, well, anyone, but since the games might as well be a parody of Earth as a whole these days I can't get that offended.

There are very few sacred cows that franchise doesn't make hamburgers out of, occasionally. That's part of the reason for its popularity.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:25 PM
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76. It's pretty hilarious, too-- and often spot on.
The NPR spoof (PLR, if I recall correctly), mostly spoofs the boring quality of NPR, but there are also jabs at the shallow type of marketed environmentalism we're seeing these days.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:32 PM
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78. And jabs at the health care industry...
The insurance companies get slammed good on PLR, and the interview with the right-wing candidate for governor was priceless. All of the radio commentary on every station is really quite funny, even the music stations have a good deal of spot on humor.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:42 PM
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59. Sounds pretty cool, but I cant seem to get into the GTA games.
They just dont appeal to me at all, pretty much everyone of my friends have played them, love the game to death, yet I dont really care much for it. Now I prefer first person shooters, racing games, and Flight Simulator X. One game I'm totally hooked on is Crysis, the game is just so realistic and fun to play, I cant get away from it!
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 02:46 AM
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61. Oh I'm loving this!
Can't wait for the media freeptards to blow gaskets over this.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:31 AM
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68. "face fulls of pharmaceuticals that make me go deaf”
I know I shouldn't laugh at that, but that is just plain funny.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:32 PM
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77. It's an amazing piece of work. You can go a long time without ever actually committing a crime
in this one, which is a new thing for GTA. You can take taxis around town, or use your cousin's car if you want to. There's no need to car jack or shoot anyone for quite a while, and when you do, it's not a sociopathic type of thing, but more like the character being dragged into a lifestyle he's trying to leave behind. It's very nicely done.

The main character himself is also a new thing for GTA, in my opinion-- he's actually likeable. Not their standard psychotic creep.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:15 PM
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80. FYI, Electronic Arts Is Attempting a Hostile Takeover of Take-Two (GTA Publisher)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:18 PM
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82. The political satire bits sound like a hoot!
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