Spread the word, fuck Rush, no demonstrations in Denver. Why give

[alfredo]

him and the reich wing what they want. If you go there, go there to party and enjoy the front range of the Rockies. If Rush wants a violent confrontation he will have to get off his fat ass and do it himself. Spread the word, no demonstrations in Denver. If you want to peacefully protest, go to the GOP convention.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. That's what I'm saying. What if Rush held a riot and no one showed up? nt

[alittlelark]

2. What if THOUSANDS showed up silent and holding candles?

Dressed in black.

[99th_Monkey]

8. Not a great idea IMHO. There will be more RW provocatours per sq. inch than maggots on rotten meat

[PVnRT]

16. Yep

Show up to do a peaceful protest, and they will turn it into Haymarket 2008.

[elehhhhna]

56. ding ding you win. the cReeps "predict" shit alla time and then, oooh! IT HAPPENS.

just like '68, there will be plants. bigtime.

[Rosemary2205]

14. I like it. - probably won't work, but I like it.

As already mentioned, it only takes a couple asshats to ruin it for everyone.

[ColbertWatcher]

3. Why let the GOP dictate what we can and cannot do?

They already prevent Americans from protesting with their "free speech zones".

If Americans want to protest, we will protest.

Taking advice from the GOP is like arguing on the internets...or is it like fighting with a monkey?

Not sure, but someone winds up looking like a retard, or wearing monkey feces, I forget which.

And seriously, who listens to talk radio anyway?

Don't tell me, let me guess: Ben Stein is now doing PR for Rush, right?

[Fumesucker]

7. I agree..

Don't let Rush determine what we do.. Either way.

[alfredo]

19. Just by showing up and demonstrating will provide a propaganda tool

for rush and other corporatist tools. Don't play their game. They can take a photo of a person with a clenched fist and turn it into a major riot. Remember what they did to the minor disruptions in New York, the footage was all over the corp media.

Don't play their violent game. They want violence, let's give them peaceful streets.

[Fumesucker]

22. Let's be afraid..

We should all stay home and be completely non political..

Anything we say or do politically will be used against us by the corporate media, so we should refrain from doing or saying anything.

[alfredo]

26. I'm not saying we should just go home and do nothing, I'm just saying let's

be smarter than those who want to defeat us.

Let's show up and demonstrate peacefully at the GOP convention. they're the ones who are the treat to our constitution.

[Fumesucker]

29. Given that there were police agents provacateur

At peace demonstrations in Canada.. That there will be agents provocateur at any major liberal political demonstration is an absolute given..

Best to stay home.

[alfredo]

31. In this instance, maybe that would be the smart thing to do.

I'm talking about being smart about the fights we pick.

I'd rather be talking to my neighbors about the issues, registering voters, and building a political movement that will stand up for our values.

Demonstrations at the convention will be a mess, so many issues being pushed by so many groups, will dilute their message. Each will be competing for prominence.

[Fumesucker]

39. Talking to my neighbors about the issues?

LOL, I can't even get my own family to show any interest in the issues, and they are by no means freepers..

I find that the great majority of people are made very uncomfortable seriously discussing what is going on in the US today.

[alfredo]

41. Become a precinct worker and then you will have reason to knock on

their doors and talk issues.

[ColbertWatcher]

33. What we "owe" "them".

"...let's give them peaceful streets."

A peaceful demonstration is not anti-American.

Let's give them democracy.

Oh, and fuck Rush and his sheep.

[alfredo]

81. We are the face of the party, and what we do in Denver will reflect on us.

I'm an old salesman and the first thing I learned about selling is to sell yourself first. If you give the customer a bad impression of you, they won't buy what you are selling.

[DeSwiss]

4. I know this one deserves to be on the greatest page....

...so kicked and r'd.

- What he said...

[notesdev]

5. A compromise

Have the riot, but not in Denver. Have it right outside Rush's office. Let him get an up close and personal look, and show off his mad skillz in breaking news reporting.

[klyon]

18. I heard he works from his mansion naked

just spreading gossip

[newmajority]

23. Rush doesn't have an office.

Technically, his program originates from a Clear Channel affiliate in Palm Beach FL, but he actually broadcasts from his mansion.

[99th_Monkey]

6. There we two people posting on DU 3-4 days ago with a link to this website, calling for street demos

A VERY interesting turn of events, brown-shirts conspiring with black-shirts to fuck shit up in Denver?

**********************************************************
Welcome to the "Re-create 68" website, your virtual activists' Convergence Center for the Denver Democratic National Convention of 2008. This website was created for all the grassroots people who are tired of being sold out by the Democratic Party.


R-68 agrees with the proposition, POTESTAS IN POPULO, "all power comes from the people." What stands between the people and power are the party machines. The parties were devised as a means to represent the people. Today they represent nobody, not even party members, but only party bureaucracy. The people have been left without appropriate institutions for their representation. We intend to create those institutions!

Join us in the streets of Denver as we resist a two-party system that allows imperialism and racism to continue unrestrained.
http://www.recreate68.org/

****************************************************************************
and besides Rush's brown-shirts and the Anarchy crowd, guess who else is loving it? ... and fanning the flames on her website ...
Convention anarchy watch: Watch out for Harass-A-Delegate
By Michelle Malkin • April 24, 2008 08:22 PM

The latest on the convention anarchy planning front, via Slapstick Politics:

Unconventional Action Midwest invites all autonomous groups and individuals to “adopt a delegate” in preparation for the Republican National Convention taking place in St. Paul September 1-4.

How does it work? Easy! Simply choose a hotel and do what you can to the delegate experience in the Twin Cities an unforgettable one!

Delegate hotels may be found here.

In congruence (sic) with the RNC Welcoming Committee’s Points of Unity and the historic St. Paul Principles, UA-Midwest respects and encourages a wide diversity of tactics.

More here from the promoters who support “creative, militant direct actions” to “grind the war to a halt.”

JGM at Drunkablog helpfully advises: “Don’t forget your jammies with the little hammer-and-sickles on them.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/21/recreate-68-threatens-democrat-convention-in-denver/

[TheWatcher]

9. What if Rush finally got sent to Prison where his drug addled Nazi Ass belongs?

Once can dream.....

[SeattleGirl]

10. You know, all it takes is a minority of disruptors to cause problems.

I was thinking about that today, in connection with the "Battle in Seattle"; most of the people who participated were doing what they came to do. March against the WTO. They were organized, orderly, peaceful.

It was only when a few agitators injected themselves into the mix that things started getting ugly. Breaking windows, signs, throwing shit around, egging on the cops (who were, IMHO, operating with a hair trigger anyway), and then everything went to hell in a hand basket.

The only thing that needs to happen is for a handful of Ditto-heads to show up to create some problems, and you know what will happen.

Will the Ditto's be blamed? Hell NO! It will be the Democrats who take the heat.

Best thing would be for those who attend the Dem convention to keep their cool as best they can, document what they see, etc. I don't mean lay down and let the Ditto's run roughshod over them. I mean not throw fuel on the fire.

And maybe I'm talking out of my hat, but I think that we have to be prepared for the Ditto's. Even if Rush drops his Operation Chaos/disrupt the Dem Convention thing (which I doubt), there will be some of his more extreme followers who will show up anyway.

[ColbertWatcher]

11. Yup.

Anonymous has been having problems with $cientology.

Not during the protests (at least not yet), but right before one of the planned protests, the $cientologists called the police claiming "someone" left a "suspicious" package outside their building and blamed it on Anonymous. The police didn't fall for it, but because it was in their headquarters in Florida, nothing came of it, like a false bombe threat, or anything. Anonymous has some old time protesters helping them with logistics and how to deal with agents provacateur.

The GOP want everyone to be watching their one hand in Denver, while the other is screwing over voting in another state.

We can't be stupid about this, but we can't be paranoid either.

[SeattleGirl]

12. "We can't be stupid about this, but we can't be paranoid either."

How right you are, CW!

[bdamomma]

13. send e-mails to the FCC

he is inciting violence, we should not let them get away with this. He is a tool for the RW and the BCF.

[KharmaTrain]

15. A Self Fulfilling Prophecy

The more people yak about what this assbag says, the more credibility you give him and his ilk. As we say here..."Don't Feed The Trolls!"

Some believe that Rushbo has a lot of influence. He doesn't. Yet there are those who believe this fukwad somehow won primaries for either Clinton or Obama (depending on whose spin you listen to)...or that he holds some zombie-like control over this listeners. Most don't even know what this humanoid shit has to say...until someone makes a stink about it and it gets blown all over the blogosphere and the corporate media.

I'm sure there will be "shittoheads" in Denver...porta potties and all...but if they want to start trouble...all 6 of 'em. So be it...we'll just padlock their porta-potties and they'll go home.

[alfredo]

20. It's not just rush, we have to look out for provocateurs. I used to marshall

rallies and marches in Detroit back in the 70's so I am aware of the government use of provocateurs. Don't assume that a government that kills people without conscience wouldn't provoke a riot for its own purposes. We have to be better than them, and smarter than them. It was one person, Tommy The Traveler that goaded the Chicago police into action. He threw a brick through a police car window. Until then it was very tense, but under control. He was also present and was the first rock thrower when the riots broke out in front of the Vietnamese embassy in DC. http://academic.hws.edu/library/archives/tommy.asp
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,909425,00.html First article. He became synonymous with agent provocateurs.

Gandhi knew that violence against the imperialist would be playing into their hands. We already know that bush and his followers are prone to ultra violence and torture. Don't give them the opportunity to use it against us.

It could be paranoia, but we need to be aware that any violence near the election could be a bad thing for us and our democracy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3204223

[KharmaTrain]

21. Very Important Points

I have no doubts that there will be troublemakers trying to create a fiasco in Denver and that they could find some willing provacateurs to turn things truly ugly. The images of people rioting...especially young...will be gobbled up by the corporate media and replayed endlessly.

Here's hoping the DNC is alert to what's going on and can difuse a lot of the disent through dialogue and coordination.

[alfredo]

24. We need to be smart. We need this message to spread out to others

to see what they feel.

I'm not worried about Rush, but all it takes is one person to ignite a fiasco that could cause great damage to those who want to preserve what few rights we still possess.

[EFerrari]

40. Recreat 68 has no history of violence, alfredo. n/t

[stimbox]

88. Exactly, some Democrats don't want any protests at the convention.

Seems like there are quite a few here spreading dis-info about the recreate68 group.

[BR_Parkway]

17. what if millions showed up and scared our "leaders" into impeaching

the war criminals currently in the White House? Wouldn't that just frost El Rushbo's cookies?

[SQ_20903]

25. Why do people take him so seriously

his radio show is all an act.

[alfredo]

27. It's not him, it's the people who listen to him. He's only in it for the money,

but some of his listeners believe and follow what he says.

I think our time would be better spent working our precincts spreading the word about our candidate.

[eleny]

28. Denver just doesn't seem to be that kind of town

Sure, people from outside can come in and run amok. But I can't see the locals swarming around, participating. Having lived in the area for 30 years I just don't see the locals adding fuel to any fire. Then there's the fact that we don't have a draft.

Sure, there were wacky things going on after a couple of sports events. But those were nothing like Chicago '68.

So unless they bus people in by the thousands, at this point I don't see anything major happening.

[Richard Steele]

30. Hear hear! K&R

[blindpig]

32. Hell no, can't have any democracy breaking out. n/t

[alfredo]

34. This is about being smart not about suppressing dissent. If someone

has set a trap ahead, do you continue on into the trap or do you alter course to defeat your opponents plans?

[blindpig]

36. Ah, trading freedom for security...

old Ben wouldn't care for that...

So, we should become fascist to prevent fascism?

[alfredo]

38. Acting stupid does nothing to help our cause. Osama wanted to goad

us into fighting him on his turf and on his terms. Was it smart to do what he wanted?

This has nothing to do with trading freedom for security, it has to do with altering tactics so not to be suckered into playing our adversaries game.

The goal is to win in Nov. Let's not give the right wing what they want. They want a powerful propaganda tool to use against us in Nov. Why give them what they want?

It's about being smart. If there is a bear on one path and the other is clear, which path would be the smartest course? You can take the path with the bear to show how free you are, or you can take the other path because your mission is to reach your goal, not to prove to the bear that you have a right to walk the path he is on.

[blindpig]

42. It's that sort of thinking

which has gotten the Democratic Party a reputation, sadly well earned, for not standing for anything.

Well, maybe not anything but winning, for whatever that's worth.

What ya keeping your powder dry for, alien invasion?

[alfredo]

44. It is not keeping your powder dry, it using your brain. If you opponent

wants you to act out violently, what should you do?


Mohammed Ali called it "Rope a dope."

During the sixties and seventies we worked hard to keep our marches peaceful because we knew there were those who wanted violence for propaganda purposes.

[blindpig]

45. There's a job waiting for you

in the Democratic Congress.

As I recall, it was the police who rioted in Chicago in 1968.

[alfredo]

47. It was the violence that gave Nixon a strong propaganda tool

that was used against the Dems. Bush used the small incidents of violence in NYC against the left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven

I pointed out that it was in the best interests of the City to have us in Lincoln Park ten miles away from the Convention hall. I said we had no intention of marching on the Convention hall, that I didn't particularly think that politics in America could be changed by marches and rallies, that what we were presenting was an alternative life style, and we hoped that people of Chicago would come up, and mingle in Lincoln Park and see what we were about. ”

— Abbie Hoffman, from the Chicago Seven trial

Don't give them the baseball bat to beat us over the head. That's all I am saying. Why do they want us to demonstrate in Denver? Do they want to paint us a anarchist and divided?

We need to show unity.

[blindpig]

48. the unity of a herd of sheep

to win what? It'll already be thrown away. Some democracy......

Rather, let the people speak, that's democratic.

[alfredo]

49. We need to speak loud and clear on Nov 4. What images do you want

out of Denver? Do you want the media showing our candidate giving a stirring acceptance speech, or do you want them showing fighting in the streets? Which one will help us put a Democrat into the White House? Sure you can go out and protest, but you also have to think long term. Will we be better served with a Dem in the White House, or another Republican? Acrimonious conventions have led to defeat in the fall. Just this once we need Democrats to be team players and stop acting like selfish kids.

Right now the story line is about a divided Democratic party. The convention is about showing a united front against the corporatist. If the Reps and the media want us fighting each other, why should we give them a fight? Why do what our corporate masters want?

How will your particular agenda be served by marching with hundreds or thousands with their own agendas? The environmentalist will be competing with the anti torture activist, who will be competing with the animal rights activist for a bit of the media spotlight. Those few days are to promote our candidate, not to stroke your ego. Our rights are important, and acting with others for our best interest is in no way surrendering our interests and rights.

I am an old line anarchist and don't like following another's lead, but I am smart enough to see beyond my own desires and act in concert with my allies.

[blindpig]

89. Um..

A united front against corporatist? Both of the Democratic candidates are corporatist. So the people should have no voice, just bidness as usual, eh?

Fuck my particular agenda, and any other agenda that hasn't thrown big bucks in the way of the anointed. That's the point of being in the streets, to unambiguously send a message to the poohbahs, in public, that cannot be denied.

But it's all about winning, isn't it? Winning what, complete withdrawal from Iraq, universal health care, effective climate change measures? Don't hold your breath. Not if it's bidness as usual, consider '06, yet we're still in Iraq. It appears that it takes more than votes to get these people to listen.

[alfredo]

92. So you are giving up on our democratic form of government?

We'd stand a much better chance getting out of Iraq with the Dem candidates. They had painted themselves in a corner on that, they have little choice but to follow through. If they don't, they know they will be booted out, along with their party.

[blindpig]

93. I think what that proves is

that our form of democratic government ain't so democratic at all. Two thirds of the populace wants us out, yet they play games. Some democracy!

[alfredo]

94. What we are attempting this time around is to get enough seats in

the senate so Mitch McConnell can't filibuster any attempt at ending the war. We are also attempting to unseat McConnell this Nov. He's also the one that is blocking the New GI Bill, and any meaningful changes in election law. Gain 5 seats, though not enough to provide a filibuster majority, will weaken the pro war Republican coalition in the Senate.

I know it really sucks that we can't dictate the end to the war, but we got to keep faith with our constitution. We have a chance to change the whole dynamic in Washington. They know our anger, they know the war is killing this country, and they know if we don't get a Dem in the White House the war will go on. We just need to all pull together for a few months, it is our best shot. Once the election is over, then extreme pressure needs to be put on our congress and the white house to deliver on our demands.

any violence will backfire. We don't want to give bush and his thugs any propaganda tool to use against us.

[blindpig]

95. Sorry, can't share your hope,

Hope is delusion, hope prevents action. When you give up on hope the way is clear for action.

How long you gonna keep hoping that they do the right thing? I remember hoping that Bill Clinton would do the right thing. He didn't.

Won't get fooled again.

[alfredo]

96. Unrealistic hope is destructive, but our democracy deserves some faith.

Being an Atheist, hope and faith are not big priorities. Our presumptive candidate has a huge responsibility. If he doesn't act on his promises it can be very destructive to the nation and party, but we have to give him a chance. Of course we have to start acting as citizens instead of cows and sheep. Our government should fear us. Stay on their butts, question every move they make.

bush and the neocons want us turned off so we will turn away in disgust. That gives them more freedom to act. The best thing we can do is pay attention, and ride their ass hard.

Read "The Shock Doctrine." It's really important not to play their game. Their game has nothing to do with democracy. They want to undermine democracy and remove us from the governing of this nation. They don't want us involved. They want us to feel hopeless.

[EFerrari]

35. Recreate 68 is having events all over the country this year.

There was just a commemoration at Columbia U. Amy did most of her show about it today.

I support the PEACEFUL demonstrators in Denver because I'm a democrat.

[mike_c]

37. I disagree wholeheartedly....

You give up your right to be heard by your party officials just to spite Rush Limpballs. It's yours to use or sacrifice as you see fit.

I prefer to use mine if I have the opportunity.

[alfredo]

54. What are you doing the other days of they year? You know you can

write or call them to air your opinions. I do it all the time. My rep knows me by name now.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

59. Thats right protesting inaction by them democrats

on stopping Iraq, on holding criminals in the executive branch responsible, etc. Has to wait until our party bosses are comfortably out of "our" convention at Denver



And I for one welcome our party boss overlords..

[alfredo]

64. It's not about laying down for the party leaders it's about not giving

the right wing a propaganda coup.

Anyway, an unfocused demonstration will do nothing to change our party. Working at the grassroots and taking control of your local party and rebuilt it to reflect our values is what we have to do. It isn't sexy as demonstrating in the streets, but if you want to change the party you have to do it from the bottom up. We've had some real success here in Kentucky. The revolution started about this time in 2004, and two years later our people were in position of power in the state party. You can't change anything without hard work and commitment. You control the state party, you control the national party.

There has been some good changes in our party, the old DLC types are on notice and a new breed it emerging. If we can win this time around our ideas will be validated. Sabotaging our chances will only validate the DLC types who want to return to the old ways, the ways that lost us congress. The Pelosi's and Reids know they are on thn ice. Let's not fuck it up.

Don't get angry, get active. In politics, you do the work, you get the job.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

66. History shows

That only by thoroughly embarrassing a political party do you actually effect change within it. They don't care *how many* letters you write. Grass roots won them both houses on congress in 2006 yet with a firm grip on the purse strings we are *still* in Iraq..

[alfredo]

68. So you'd rather lose if the party leaders don't bend you your desires

History shows that when we go into the convention without a candidate, we lose. If we are fighting each other when we go into the convention we lose. Yeah punish them by putting McCain in charge, that'll teach them.

[alphafemale]

84. You're not "heard" at protests anymore. Those days are long time gone.

Even if 5 million people showed up to protest something. It would not be reported.

Protests, when non-violent, are great because they are rather like revivals. They are fun and they are vitalizing, but on their own they aren't going to change anything.

It's up to people to take that energy and do the grunt work of freedom when they get home.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

43. So to spite rush

People who might be pissed should the supers swing the nominee should site on their hands? to hell with that..

[alfredo]

50. I'm not worried about the supers, I'm worried about another Republican

getting to nominate more anti constitution judges. For once act like an adult, work with others for the common good.

the supers are going to go with the one with the most votes and delegates. They are not going to overturn the will of the people. Talk of that is bullshit media hype. They want discord, it pulls in viewers. A smooth peaceful convention is not in their best interests, but it is in ours. Let's act in our best interests.


Stop being manipulated by the corporate media. This extended fight is not bad, it keeps our candidates and our message before the public. How many times have you seen Hillary and Obama on TV compared to McCain?

With all their hype about division they will have egg on their faces if the convention goes well. They know that and will do what they can to stir the pot.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

58. Sorry but if the supers decided this

one way or another there is nothing democratic about the democratic party and Ill be sitting this one out..

I dont think the extended primary is bad and so long as mathematically speaking either has a remote chance they can and should stay in but thanks for playing.

[alfredo]

60. they are going to have to make their choice and I have faith that they

will not pull and crap on us. They will vote the people's will.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

62. And if they dont

we should cower before their mighty will like the peons we are right..

[alfredo]

65. No. We shouldn't wait for the the convention to let our feelings known.

Pressure is increasing on them to shit or get off the pot. They will.

[crimsonblue]

46. This is likely a diversion from the Repugs great fear of mass protests in Minn...

Minnesota is the great blue bastion of the north, and many many people there have directly felt the wonderful effects of Bushco. But unlike the far right, we don't need drug addled radio hosts to protest. We got this little thing called grassroots; that is, until and/or if Hillary's violent spray kills it.

[alfredo]

51. The GOP is the enemy, not the Dems.

[crimsonblue]

57. I'm not so sure that the GOP and HRC are distinguishable anymore...

[alfredo]

61. Hillary and Bill have always been hard to nail down. That's been

a strength.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

63. Yea the ability

To vote for the IWR when it was a good political manuver and back away from it when unpopular is a *huge* strength..

[alfredo]

67. I'm not defending any specific vote, I'm just saying they are very

slippery, and that has until recently worked well for them.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

69. hmmm

Be a good kiddie, obey the party bosses, and the Clintons being 'slipepry' is a good thing... I think I get you now thanks..

[alfredo]

70. For them it was good, I didn't say it was good for us or the country.

Politics is the art of compromise. As much as we hate to compromise, it is the price of living in a democracy. Our goal is to compromise as little as possible with our adversaries. Remember it is the GOP that is the enemy, not our fellow Democrats.

At first when I came to the party, I did what was told. Once I proved myself I was able to start calling the shots. Don't like what the party does, jump in and change it. Sniping and complaining and not getting involved in a real way means nothing.

We wouldn't have our grassroots activist in positions of power in the state party if we hadn't subverted to old guard. We did it by out hustling them. We did it by playing it straight. We did it by getting results. You can't change the national party without holding power in the states. You cannot change the party by marching in the streets carrying a sign.

[Hekate]

52. The key is peaceful demonstrations by people who are VERY mindful of provacateurs...

I have been saying this for 5 years, ever since the Bush admin started ginning up the Iraq Invasion.

Protestors must be organized, must be VERY clear on goals and tactics, and must always be alert for hotheads preaching violence or heaving a brick for no reason.

And for the love of God, the Democratic Convention is NOT the place we want trouble.

Hekate

[alfredo]

53. We want a clear message, even if it means we take a back seat for a few

days. We have plenty time to air our grievances, let our party have its few days in the sun. We want the images be of a smiling candidate, not cops arresting Democratic protestors. The GOP wants to paint us as angry violent anarchist.

Sending a message of dispute and disarray plays into the the GOP's hands. Show some maturity and restraint for a couple days. A few days of venting isn't worth the risks of four more years of authoritarian rule.

[Hekate]

72. Thanks. The Chicago Dem Convention in 1968 helped get us Richard Nixon. Yes, the cops rioted--and...

...there was plenty of protest activity and manufactured crap that helped sway public opinion against Democratic youth and our desire to end the war.

What I'm trying to say is that legitimate protests were subverted, big-time.

So many lessons of that era are buried, but we should never forget COINTELPRO and other law-enforcement/government infiltrators stirring the pot to make everyone appear crazy and violent -- especially those who only wanted peaceful nonviolent civil disobedience.

Edited to clarify and add link to another post about the Chicago Convention and its police riots and police brutality http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3209591

Hekate

[alfredo]

74. We have to fight smart. We have to be media savvy. If we don't control

the message we're toast. Doing something stupid like pulling some crap is the sure way to lose control of the message.

We have to be disciplined. It's time to focus on the prize, not just our own agenda. I'm an anti torture advocate, but I am setting it aside because the only way to end our use of Torture is to get our party into the White House.

"Now is the time to come to the aid of the party"

[Hekate]

75. The thing is, it can be done. There were a million at the March for Women's Lives 4 years ago...

...and I think a grand total of 3 arrests, all for stupid things unrelated to the marchers or the message.

That march was highly, highly organized and drew from a really broad spectrum of support. It just occured to me this moment -- there were a lot of men involved, probably on average older men, but the driving force was female.

Another extremely peaceful and well-organized action was the anti-war march held just after The Drowning of New Orleans (aka Hurricane Katrina). I was there with the VFP.

The thing is, it CAN be done, and it HAS been done. But the key is focus, organization, and co-ordination among many groups. You cannot just let random people have the mike on the main stage, sorry, and each group needs to know its own members and be accountable.

There is just so much at stake.

Limbaugh should be arrested and cited for incitement to riot, imo. Why does this man still have a microphone at his disposal?

Hekate

[alfredo]

77. What will be the focus at any demonstration in Denver? That's

where the trouble happens when there are competing agendas.

Limpballs owns the mike. I hope Denver pulls him off in their town. He's calling for rioting there.

[Hekate]

78. God only knows. All I know is I don't want to be there, and at this moment I think maybe only...

...the delegates should be there. We can show our deep interest in other ways.

As for Rush -- yeah, Denver should be on high alert for him and his idiot gang.

Hekate

[alfredo]

79. I will be here phone banking, walking precincts, delivering yard signs.

I don't have time for anything else. I want Kentucky to turn blue.

[Hekate]

85. Good for you. We need people doing that kind of thing.

:toast:

Hekate

[alfredo]

90. Turnout is the key, we have the numbers, it's getting to the polls

that is important.

[jazzjunkysue]

55. I was at the NYC RNC convention. I'd go again in a minute. What a blast!

We were in the sidewalks around Herald Square and MSNBC was broadcasting. I got into the outdoor pen holding area where MANBC used us as a backdrop. I had my Kerry sign and some had B* signs and it was unforgettable.

If you live nearby, by all means go. Thousands of people had portable radios and were chanting while the Boy King bloviated. "Liar! Liar!" I was out there 2 nights in a row. We showed the GOP that NYC is BLUE! Blue! Baby, BLUE!

[alfredo]

76. torment the Reps, let them know we will be taking pictures outside the

bars and brothels.

[L. Coyote]

71. RECREATE '64

[AnnieBW]

73. Why would ANYBODY want to fuck Rush?

I mean, he can't even get it up without Viagra and torture.

[alfredo]

82. I am using "fuck" in the fashion of the love theme from "Deliverance."

[AnnieBW]

87. LOL!

I'll bet that Limpballs really COULD squeal like a pig! :evilgrin:

[alfredo]

91. I'd even let him use his golden microphone.

[Canuckistanian]

80. I can see it now

A handful of yahoos wearing "Club Gitmo" shirts, hitting each other with sticks.

[Initech]

83. All I have to say is that the Colorado Convention Center better still be standing afterward.

Otherwise, I'm going to take down that fat fuck myself!

[Freedom Train]

86. Did anybody stop to think Rush might be using reverse psychology?

If Rush is calling for demonstrations, maybe what he really wants is NO demonstrations, thus making it easier for the super delegates to pick Hillary without fear of retribution. And in that case, you're doing his bidding now.

[alfredo]

97. It will be decided before the convention.

[Freedom Train]

98. I'm not so sure

But we'll just have to wait and see, won't we.

[alfredo]

99. The supers have their own agendas that has nothing to do with their

ultimate selection. They want some promises, they want appointments. It's a game of chicken that will be settled soon. Keep the pressure on them.