WOW!!! Abrams just reported that 25 of the mothers from that Texas sect

[CatWoman]

are minors.

Where are the sect defenders?

This should be good.

come out, come out, where ever you are :popcorn:

[RedCappedBandit]

1. yeah, but they were consenting minors

oh, wait..

[GetTheRightVote]

2. that is a pretty sick situation, children being forced to be mothers

along with other subjects beyond my acceptability.

[napi21]

3. Of course. One of their beliefs is that a girl should be pregnant

as soon as she reaches puberty.

[Iris]

114. yep - gotta keep that female sexuality in check.

sickening.

[katty]

123. breeding females for the purposes of sex w/older+old men

[AlphaCentauri]

4. we defend our freedom of religion

shouldn't coins should say "WE TRUST IN GOD, do you?" with a big question mark

:sarcasm:

[Bluebear]

5. I suppose the Father-Daughter Chastity Ball is out of the question now?

[CatWoman]

6. you are such a joy

you make me laugh damn near every day.

I would love to meet you in person!!!! :hi:

[Bluebear]

9. XOXO

I would love that :)

[Faygo Kid]

29. That's right, throw over your long-time admirers for something called "bluebear."

And then you can take ol' Granny out back, and leave her for the wolves.

Ohhh no, don't make a fuss over me. Jes let me lie down in front of the truck, and Jethro won't hardly feel a bump when he drives over my old body.

I kin tell when the kinfolk are ready to move on, with their highfalutin' Beverly Hills, Bluebear ways.

'Course, Mr. Bluebear might want to think twice, 'fore insulting us hill folk.

[CatWoman]

34. lol, Faygo

:rofl:

that episode was on last week :rofl:

and who else can I look to for my regular Beverly Hillbillies fix?????

:loveya:

[Faygo Kid]

39. Better not look elsewhere, that's fer durned sure.

We hill folk don't take a-hankerin' to dippin' yer fishin' pole in somebody else's pond.

As it were.

[CatWoman]

42. my all time favorite episodes are of Jethro wanting to be a "double-knot" spy

:rofl:

[Faygo Kid]

49. That's actually "double naught." You know his math. Millicent Schuyler-Potts taught him.

Not knot, naught. You remember: Naught times naught, is naught. 007 is a double naught spy.

Got to get it right, because after all, Jethro gave up his dream of becoming a brain surgeon to becom a double-naught spy, and we need to respect that.

[CatWoman]

53. I had a real problem trying to discern is he was acting

I mean, no one can be THAT stupid :rofl:

That show is PRICELESS!!! :)

[Bluebear]

54. >>>

[CatWoman]

56. Jethrene!!!!

did she ever marry Jasper DePew? :)

[Faygo Kid]

60. I'm not sure. But, she was a sireen, that's fer sure.

Had her Maw's good looks.

[LibertyLover]

94. He isn't. Years ago

the father of a school friends met Max Baer. "Beverly Hillbillies" was being filmed on location in New York City and he was attached to the production by ConEd (he worked for them) to make sure that nothing went wrong with the electricity. He was with the show for several days and had several opportunities to talk to Max. Mr. Elwell said that not only was Mr. Baer a nice guy, down-to-earth with no pretensions about the show or his acting, but that he was also intelligent, in now way resembling "Jethro".

[Ikonoklast]

102. You know, Max Baer Jr. became quite a succesful real estate

Developer in Southern California. I guess he was a pretty shrewd businessman, and made far more money from that than he ever did acting.

[Libby2]

117. LMAO.......mine too.

[SoCalDem]

50. Me too.. Catwoman is dead to me

Talk to the hand

[CatWoman]

55. WHAT IN THE WORLD?????

how's the kitties? :hi:

[SoCalDem]

57. contented and ornery.. as always :)

Did you read my Hillie story yet? I think you'll enjoy it :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5666420

[CatWoman]

64. thanks for the link

:hi:

I woke up this morning to a loud crash, went to investigate. dirt all over the living room floor -- one of them got into a plant.

came home from work, and it was even worse.

this time it was 3 plants, and in the garage, =one or two of them knocked one of the the litter boxes over.

they took one look at my face and scattered.

it took them over 2 hours to show their faces again.

jerk ass cats :grr:

[Bake]

87. Not me! I'm a big fan o' The Cat ...

:hi:

Bake

[CatWoman]

88. Bake

:hi:

always good to see you :)

[Bake]

91. Back atcha, Cat!

Always good to see you too!

:hi:

Bake

[Hekate]

12. BB, all those white balloons look like--eggs?

:wow:

Hekate

[Bluebear]

17. She's pledging her ovaries to daddy or something revolting like that.

[2008]

66. I was thinking gigantic pearl necklace

:wow:

[Faygo Kid]

14. Yeah, point made and taken, but sickening.

Still, point made and taken. As Dad to a 31-year-old daughter who is a great friend, too, I would never have imagined that crap.

Admittedly, it fits here, but I trust it's just an aberration, not the kind of sickening behavior at the cult.

[musette_sf]

25. i thought that was an FLDS wedding photo n/t

[kestrel91316]

44. How do we know it's not?

[musette_sf]

52. cos she is wearing RED

reserved only for the robe of Jeebus Cripes, when he shows up to have a beer with Warren Jeffs.

[kestrel91316]

58. Oh. Sorry. My bad.

But they sure make a nice couple, don't they?

[Sequoia]

98. Hey, I just finished that book, "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop

where she said the color red was banned. That was one scary book and Warren is one sick creep. Thank goodness he's in the slammer. I hope the inmates are making him feel welcome.

[musette_sf]

101. "Escape" is on my Audible.com wish list

i subscribe and get 2 books a month. next month i will download "Escape".

i recently read "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brodie, a biography of Joseph Smith that seems to be hated by LDSers and FLDSers with the same gusto. prolly cos it is meticulously well-researched.

[Sequoia]

107. I've read about that book

The lady who wrote it was a Mormon of course and she thought it would turn out to be good things about him but what she found out really shocked her. I like the book "Escape" but some of the things kept me on the edge...and the animal stories were upsetting. I grew up in a very strict fundie school where we had to wear our skirts a certain lenght, couldn't wear pants to school, went to chruch all the time, etc. but compared to her life ours was a picnic.

[musette_sf]

113. uh-oh... a REAL FLDS wedding photo!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3203803&mesg_id=3208327

:puke:

[malaise]

31. LOL

DUzy!!! :rofl:

[jwirr]

35. That picture puts it all into perspective. The age difference is shocking. nt

[Canuckistanian]

51. Eww, that makes me cringe every time I hear of it

The "Daddy" figure "protecting" little girls' hymens.

Ew, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[jazzjunkysue]

68. Ok. That'll be $49.95 for a new keyboard. Mine is covered with milk, now.

[Richard Steele]

73. He's an undercover agent for an unscrupulous cabal of replacement-keyboard manufacturers! nm

[Mz Pip]

That is just creepy.

Seriously creepy.

[musette_sf]

111. here's another one - Rulon Jeffs' 90th Birthday Present

FLDS founding patriarch Rulon Jeffs with his last two wives -- sisters Edna and Mary Fischer -- on their wedding day. He received the pair as a 90th birthday present.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/83517/#more

:wtf: i'd rather be Hugh Hefner's fourth bunny GF or whatever, than 1/2 of "Prophet" Rulon's 90th BD present. :puke:

[uppityperson]

116. How sweet, a matched pair.

what the hell? I wonder how old they were.

Edited to add thank you for that article. I'm reading it now and it is pretty incredible how little of the outside world many of the people there know about. Healthcare, Laws, Death, Inbreeding.

[pengillian101]

122. How sick and disgusting.

FLDS founding patriarch Rulon Jeffs with his last two wives -- sisters Edna and Mary Fischer -- on their wedding day. He received the pair as a 90th birthday present.
****************

"Birthday present" wives for a 90-year old pervert. Looks like a fairly young mom and her daughter were the 'present.'

[Faygo Kid]

7. Sorting out the DNA is supposed to be a nightmare. This is indeed disgusting.

A tragic cult, pure and simple, and I will refrain from posting a picture of you-know-what-family until it's more appropriate. Because this isn't funny, it's frightening.

[Liberal Veteran]

8. I don't necessarily freak out about minors becoming parents.

I don't ADVISE it, but hell, my 18 year old sister has two kids already and she is a hell of good parent even if she is a bit young.

So parents being minors is not an issue with me. Coercive parenthood and marriage on the other hand is sick.

[JerseygirlCT]

92. I do when the other parent is an adult...

That's the problem here. A child cannot give consent to sex with an adult.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. My limited knowledge takeaway:

Boy, do they all look like each other!

[CatWoman]

13. they were on with Larry King last week

and I could see the resemblance in the shape of the nose, eyes and mouth.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. I don't even look as much like me as they look like each other!

Come to think of it, Larry looks like them, too! :D

[CatWoman]

26. another thing I've noticed: they are all flat chested

yup, you're right :)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. Another thing for me , too...

Thanks for draggin' me outta of GD-P!

[riderinthestorm]

32. I noticed that!

As a D cup gal myself, I actually envy them. I actually wondered if they've been bred that way?! It's way easier to do farm chores and back breaking manual work without having big boobs in the way, speaking from personal experience here....

By the way, I bumped up a thread that Lizzy is on and invited her to join our party over here. Not holding my breath waiting....

[CatWoman]

37. rut roh

:rofl:

er, thanks :)

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. Actually, it's probably the secret undergarments -

strap 'em down.

[riderinthestorm]

47. Then they're definitely "magic" if they can make D size tatas look pre-pubescent....

oops! Perhaps that's the real reason??!! Eek! :scared:

[TheCowsCameHome]

59. Maybe their heads are on backwards.

Anyone looked at their backs for bulges?

[TeeYiYi]

118. Made me laugh... nt

TYY :rofl:

[pinkpops]

62. They are men in drag

[TheCowsCameHome]

63. Knuckle-dragging men at that.

[Hekate]

80. Runs in families, dammit--speaking as one with modest endowments....

Probably also bras are not high on their list of items to whip up on the sewing machine.

Hekate

[MilesColtrane]

85. Support garments are of the devil.

Wearing Playtex is a sure way to guarantee 18 hours of damnation.

[rfranklin]

19. "I am my own grandpa...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7x1ETPkZsk

[Hekate]

More inbred than the farthest hills of Appalachia.... All those women look like sisters. nt

[razors edge]

48. Ever been to back woods Appalachia,

or does you knowledge on the issue begin and end on the movie Deliverance?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

61. I would imagine not.

And your response is spot on. :toast:

[razors edge]

65. I've met more Catholic Priest abuse victims here in Toledo

over the past ten years than I can count, but I never met an inbred person in thirty years of living in Kentucky or West Virginia.

Stereotypes like that are cheap and inaccurate.

[Hekate]

79. Should've added "apologies to Appalachians one and all"....

That being said, there are a number of small-gene-pool communities still in existence in the US today.

In this case, the family resemblance among this group of women is so stark that they all look like the product of the same mother and father, i.e. sisters. The Warren Jeffs Theory of Godlike Procreation means that they may in fact be such close cousins as to virtually constitute full sisters.

In times to come perhaps the new cheap shot stereotype (I did read the responses to my post) will refer to the FLDS cult.

Hekate

[janx]

99. Actually, in Under the Banner of Heaven,

there is one woman who was formerly with the FLDS cult who figured out that she was her own step-grandmother. She explained how that worked, but it made my head spin.

[Sequoia]

106. I remember that.

She said something like if you tried to draw a family tree it would'nt even look like a tree. Probably more like a bush I'd say.

[melody]

27. They look like Little House on the Prairie if Ibsen wrote it.

Scary

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

38. *

:spray:

[yardwork]

81. OMG! That was funny!

LOL!

[Ikonoklast]

103. "They look like Little House on the Prairie if Ibsen wrote it."

Or William Burroughs.

On acid.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. It simplifies the transition when they take the kids away from one

mother and give them to another - since they all look alike, they quickly forget.

[Ilsa]

67. On the picture on the left, they all have their hands up by their faces.

What would nonverbal language people say about that. In the pic on the right, it is the same, although they appear to have their hands up to their faces because they are crying.

[roguevalley]

70. apparently two families intermarried. there are some tragic birth

defects among the children. this is so very sad all around.

[Name removed]

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[AlCzervik]

11. whose mic did he have cut off because "He won't stop blabbing"?

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

16. Lizzy

:rofl:

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

18. thank you! I chuckled when i heard him say that "Blabbing" ROFL.

:toast:

[musette_sf]

22. bwahahahaha

:rofl:

[Richard Steele]

74. Oh no you didn't!

I just laughed so hard I scared the cat! :rofl:

[CatWoman]

83. I'm a bad girl

:)

someone is going to rap my knuckles with a ruler for that remark.

:)

[uppityperson]

90. Made me laugh.

I wonder if someone with 12 floors of lawyers will rap your knuckles.

[Ikonoklast]

104. Only if you are the Master Of Your Universe.

That guy gives new meaning the word 'delusional'.

[uppityperson]

108. We've had a

gungeon poster join us elsewhere also, discussing genetics and cousins intermarrying in Iraq and the lack of genetic issues showing up.

[musette_sf]

115. not just the gungeon, but also the dungeon:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3203803&mesg_id=3208315

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. Wow. Father's Day must be mass confusion around that place.

[Bluebear]

20. Not a cheap tie or a bottle of Stetson Cologne to be had in June around there.

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Difficult to see how many pairs of legs are under those long dresses..........

[PVnRT]

96. What about Gilette Mach 3 razors?

[JerseygirlCT]

36. Every day is Father's day in that place

It's all about them.

[Hekate]

21. Yooo-hoooo. Cult defenders, where aaaaare yooooou?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Are those crickets I hear, or just the sound of popcorn crunching?

Hekate

[Marrah_G]

33. The scum are on the other thread about this.

[Name removed]

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[Richard Steele]

76. Your attempts to defend these child-rapists grow ever more desperate and straw-grasping...

SO, you're out of material and have fallen back
upon insults and personal attacks.

I'm sure that surprises no one.

[Lil Missy]

28. *crickets* n/t

[kestrel91316]

43. Um, CatWoman, I have bad news.

That was 25 MORE. In addition to the ones they already had (5?). Which makes thirty.

[CatWoman]

46. Jesus Christ on a pogo stick!!!

30???

I see another shoe dropping here -- those filter lecherous rapists are TOAST!!! :toast:

[ZombieHorde]

69. Everyone knows that a burrow owl lives in a hole in the ground!

[L. Coyote]

45. The news on who the fathers are should be interesting too.

[femrap]

100. You think MSM is going to

ask about the daddies?

eta: I don't watch MSM because it makes me nuts...but what I read, I haven't heard the dads getting much flack. It's always Mom's fault.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

77. Sometimes you just can't help yourself, can you?

people who don't like statutory rapists=witch burners. Right.

How about rather than demanding we do research on numbers you want, you do it instead? Maybe someone else's 13 floors of lawyers might help? If you ask nicely?

[Richard Steele]

78. So, objecting to children being SEX SLAVES is "witch burning" in your mind? Fascinating.

Tell me about your mother.

[yardwork]

82. So if it's legal, it's ok for fourteen year olds to become the 7th or 8th wife of a fifty year old?

[uppityperson]

75. They're heeerrrreeeee

at least 1 is. Nice to see the rest of you.

[Marrah_G]

84. This reminds me of the people defending the Taliban

It's shocking to see this on DU. It's shocking to find any Democrat that would defend the abuse and enslavement of women.

150 years ago these same people would have been defending the enslavement of black people in this country. After all they had clothes and food and many didn't run away or fight back when unshackled.

[LanternWaste]

86. Though I've decided to stay an active participant in these threads

Though I've decided to stay an active participant in these threads, yesterday I was a wee bit tempted to wash my hands of the topic due to our three vociferous defenders of the sect (the Three Magi) and their non-sequiters, banal inanities and shots from the hip armed with nothing other than (willful?) mis-information, and simply put them on ignore.


I allowed myself to get frustrated by their posts, which is silly-- why let myself become angered due to an opinion held by a few ineffectual and obtuse youths? Let them Rage Against the Machine and Stand Up to the Man, and in doing so it's their foreheads and their foreheads only that will become bloodied by banging them against the wall of morality, common-sense and rule of law.

Yet to do them justice, I don't think they are as such defending this cult as much as they are attacking the actions of the state and local authorities. A knee-jerk and negative reaction based on some trendy anarchism (of which, a basic tenet appears to be, "the State can do no good, thus all victims of the state can do no bad-- see, I've even got the tattoos and t-shirts etched with bumper sticker philosophies to prove it!!!").

No... I really don't think they are defending the practice of underage marriages, brainwashing, fundamental extremism, and rape (although I cannot understand why they just won't come out and say that-- if for no other reason than as an act of good faith on their parts...). I think their fault merely lies in giving in a wink and a nod to these distempers of the society; conveniently overlooking them in their greater quest to become the High Priests and Priestess in the Church of Cynicism, Anarchy and Anti-Authoritarianism.

But at the end of the day, I think it would be wise if I simply did not entertain their conjectures-- from where I sit, it would be akin to asking a three year old to sit in on, and add their views in an advanced trig class.

So I won't put them on ignore as I'd like a better understanding of them through their posts, but I certainly won't have any actual discussions with them at this point. For me, no good can come of their perspectives, and their mulishness and pride prevents them to an admission that their perspectives are simply misguided (at best).

[uppityperson]

93. That is a good post. Thank you. nt

[Dorian Gray]

95. You are a much more understanding

poster than I am. I think I actually hit my head against the wall the other day while reading some of their justifications.

[NNN0LHI]

97. This is starting to remind me of a puppy mill for children

And I don't like it.

Don

[eppur_se_muova]

105. Correction: puppy mill for captive young 'brides'.

The male puppies get cast out. The female puppies are kept only for breeding more of the same.

[hack89]

109. Teen age pregnancy is endemic in America

why should fundies be any different than the rest of society?

[uppityperson]

110. Could have something to do with "marrying" minors off to adult men as part of their creed.

[Fleshdancer]

112. oh yes. I remember my first forced marriage to a 50 yr old man that resulted in rape and pregnancy

it seems just like yesterday...where does the time go? :eyes:

[gollygee]

119. Would people please stop comparing this to teenage kids having sex after school?

We're talking about adult middle aged men getting as many pubescent girls as they can find to start breeding for them. NOT THE SAME THING.

[uppityperson]

120. It's annoying that some can't see the problem is the behavior of the adults, not the teens.

The problem is not (just) the fact that teens are pregnant, but HOW they got that way by WHOM. WHAT was the behavior of the adults? THAT is the problem.

Not yelling at you, but with you.

[gollygee]

121. It's like these girls are seen as just bodies - objects

and the objects have been ruined. It doesn't really matter how or by whom. The end result is the same so what difference does it make. That attitude is distressing.

If we realize that these girls are human beings, then we can see that it is a huge difference whether they're being raped and used as sex slaves and brood mares on one hand, and in the other circumstance are willingly choosing to have sex with peers. Obviously in some of the other cases of underage pregnancy in Texas, some of those girls were raped as well, and I certainly hope if that was found to be the case those girls would be protected as well.

[lukasahero]

125. Because the men getting the teens pregnant aren't they themselves teens

I'm sorry but what the fuck is so hard to understand about that?

The mothers (girls) are teens. The fathers (men) are adults. It's rape by any other name.

[treestar]

124. They were raised in it

Because of that, they don't see the crime involved.