Something's fishy.... Is it possible that the disappearance

[WheelWalker]

of the salmon of the Oregon and California coasts this spring related to the swarm of unusual earthquakes being detected off the Oregon coast?

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[truedelphi]

1. My earthquake arthritis is up today

A big one somewhere -- LA, Yosemite, San Francisco? Within thirty six hours

As far as the fish - I think it has to do with the fact that water temperatures are probably a bit hotter than the salmon like

[orleans]

4. earthquake arthritis? are you kidding? are you accurate? n/t

[truedelphi]

8. I'd say that three out of four times yes I am

I do elder care for a living, and one time the arthritis hit me so hard that I collapsed out from under the elderly client I was helping walk through a hospital. He had to help me up from the floor.

"Should we get a wheelchair and get you to emergency?" he asked.

"No, it' s just that we are gonna see a 6 point or higher earthquake today."

He shook his head like I'd lost my mind.

That night at eight Pm he called to tell me that there was a 6 something at Yosemite. The quake hit several hours after my "collapse" (That was in '92, I think.)

Spring, 1984, the day of the Morgan Hill earthquake (San Jose CA) my entire left leg had gone bonkers and before the quake hit, I couldn't walk. The moment that the quake hit, I was fine. I moved away from the San Jose CA area shortly after that.

Jim Berklund has a website where he makes predictions based on the numbers of cats and dogs that are missing and reported in local news papers lost and found. It is at www.syzygyjob.com/

[gateley]

19. I just referred to Jim Berklund's

alerting me/us to check out the number of animals that go missing before a quake. He more strongly follows moon/tides/rainfall.

I hope you're feeling okay! What are you calling this one for -- on the richter scale?

[truedelphi]

22. I guess my body was announcing the 5.5 magnitude quake

Along the shore of Oregon, at maybe 5 AM this morning.

The thing I love about Jim Berkland's earthquake prediction system is that basing it on pet disappearance means that you can accurately predict the location. I am no good at location.

Also my prediction ability is zilch when I am on pain meds for a bad back. Until 36 hours ago, I have been on the meds. So I haven't had any prediction abilities for six months - until just yesterday.

[Warpy]

9. Salmon ready to spawn and die have put up with warm

ocean temperatures before. However, a large amount of noxious chemicals dissolved in the ocean offshore might do it. For one thing, the minerals and gases dissolved in the water from an impending (or even occurring) volcanic eruption would mask the scent of the river they were born in and to which they are driven to return to spawn.

There have been swarms of quakes in this region before. As of now, most are too small to be listed on the USGS site. The absence of spawning salmon in the usual rivers and streams is very suggestive of something else going on this time, though.

I sincerely hope the rest of the Cascades continue to sleep.

[truedelphi]

12. I've also heard that this year, less water will be given to farmers

In order to help with environmental problems. I can't remember if the status of the salmon was one of the issues.

And if the rainfall over the winter is deemed adequate, the water WON't be held back from farmers.

[WheelWalker]

13. The fisheries are indeed an issue. I'm neck deep in the Klamath Basin Adjudication - also known

as the "Time Immemorial Cases" (I refer to it as the "Water Wars"). The parties, generally, are the Klamath Tribes, the US BIA, Pacific Power, and agricultural users. The tribes want to extend instream rights for habitat restoration and hunting, trapping & fishing back further than the treaty rights of 1864, to Time Immemorial. Water wars in the west have been going on since Manifest Destiny was just a twinkle in a Jacksonian Democrat's eye. This is the BIG ONE, I'm afraid, and just a skirmish at the beginning. This is a global issue our children will have to embrace. Maybe even us. Our firm represents an irrigation district with rights derivative of the 1864 treaty with the Klamath Tribes.

[truedelphi]

23. I have always been on the side of the environment

But now that the oil prices are sky high - I realize we need cheap available water so food prices don't go so high food is unattainable.

Funny how a price system can make you "hope" that maybe the Native Americans don't win one for the environment. And I am ashamed to say it.

[OwnedByFerrets]

14. Check out the latest news.....

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OMG!!! the government needs to hire you

[midnight]

2. I too, am troubled by this news.

[Nitrogenica]

3. That is indeed interesting.

K&R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEBSxP725w

[Uncle Joe]

5. I'm just wondering if underwater earthquakes could trigger the release

of pressurized methane at the bottom of the ocean?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. and sulfer and CO2

no wonder the fishes scrammed.

[FightingIrish]

6. I predict May 20

A tsunami named Obama will wash away the last filthy remnants of the Clinton desperation war on hope.

[YDogg]

7. heh

[Poll_Blind]

10. VERY interesting connection. n/t

PB

[ColbertWatcher]

11. It's the crap in the ocean...

...from global warming.

Google Search for "Marine biotoxin" from the State of California.

I am sure the state of Oregon has something similar.

But our West Coast has been filthy quite a bit since the Gropenegger got installed.

[catnhatnh]

15. For an interesting look at the life cycle of salmon....

read James Mitchener's "Alaska". It will give you an interesting look into the complicated life cycle and the effects of turn of the century (20th-not 21st) human intervention as a small inlet in Alaska is turned into a major cannery...while it doesn't apply directly it will indicate how vulnerable the cycle is to human intervention.

[WheelWalker]

17. Thanks. I love Michener, and I haven't read that one. Will do.

[catnhatnh]

18. You're Welcome....

as with most Mitchener books it begins in nearly pre-history and runs thru the date it is published....but since I have a copy around I can say you're looking for chapter 10 titled "Salmon" and as usual for a later period in his books, starts on page 696.....love me some Mitchener...

[WheelWalker]

20. So it is written - so mote it be. Blessings.

[defendandprotect]

16. GW will bring increased earthquakes, as well as other extreme and chaotic

weather . . .