****Official SFRC Petraeus Hearing Thread - THREE****

[annabanana]

#1) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3125327&mesg_id=3125327

#2) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3125833&mesg_id=3125833

[bobthedrummer]

1. Thank you k&r

[annabanana]

2. Dodd asking good questions - quoting Cody

[bobthedrummer]

3. Dodd on psychological problems of combat veterans

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

4. K&R

[annabanana]

5. "I've never seen our lack of strategic depth as it is today"

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Betrayus is struggling and stammering

and just talking crap.

[SeattleGirl]

6. I'm not able to watch it, but from the few clips I've heard of Patraeus,

all I can say is, WTF?

This guy is using double and triple-speak, going six times around the block and sideways, in an effort to give the impression that he is going from Point A to Point B in a straight line.

:crazy:

[gateley]

17. I hope you get to see several clips and

get a load of how many times he uses the term "Sons of Iraq". ;eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

25. "Sons of Iraq"?

:eyes: indeed.

[annabanana]

7. I think he's falling back on his "counter insugency" writings..

[annabanana]

8. You know... the ones he's been ignoring a lot

[annabanana]

9. AGAIN - He counters reports of strain on the troops with "they keep coming back"

[SeattleGirl]

15. "They keep coming back?"

Sure they do, because they are being SENT back. :grr:

[bobthedrummer]

10. Reenlistment is down...

[annabanana]

14. You wouldn't know it from his responses

[DrDan]

18. did he really say that?

Aound noon he was carrying on about how enlistments were up - on division had made their yearly quota by mid-year.

Guess he forgot that sage advise about not lying if you don't have such a hot memory.

[bobthedrummer]

39. No, I'm stating it based on reality, stop loss, lies, etc.

[annabanana]

12. Talking about how good the supplies and equipment are

[gateley]

13. Thanks, annabanana! nt

[annabanana]

16. (if i'm here at the time, i'm happy to oblige)

[bobthedrummer]

19. Ryan Crocker Source Watch profile

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ryan_Crocker

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

20. Petraeus has personal experience with stress? Dodd, I know I know.

What was that?

[nashville_brook]

21. $16 million a month we're paying Sunnis?

[annabanana]

26. actually, we've been behind in the payments.. they're getting itchy

[nashville_brook]

jesus effing christ

[annabanana]

22. "Sunni awakening" He claims they volunteered to start with

[annabanana]

23. Hagel up

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

27. This should be good.

[gateley]

24. Don't give him an inch, Dodd. nt

[gateley]

29. I'm not sure where Hagel is going with this intro.... hmmmm. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Thanks annabanana!!!!

:hi:

[annabanana]

30. Kerry will be after Hagel

[gateley]

32. He was great last week --

I'm looking forward to it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. This morning's hearing is an embarrassment

Some republicans are doing a better job in this one than some of
the democrats did in the other.

[doublethink]

35. So true.

[cliss]

33. Thax for posting, Annabannanna

I don't watch TV, so it really helps to read the "in progress" threads.:smoke:

[annabanana]

34. "There is no military solution to the insurgency in Iraq" Hagel quotes Patre.

[bobthedrummer]

36. "Prevent the Reemergence of a New Rival-The Making of the Cheney Regional Defense Strategy

1991-1992" National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 245 (1-24-2008)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb245/index.htm

[Ichingcarpenter]

43. Hagel is republican and helped with the voting frauds

with his contact and support from the voting machine companies.

[annabanana]

37. How the Iraqis arrive at political conciliation should be our first concern

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

40. Spit it out Chuck!

[gateley]

Ask some pointed questions, Hagel! nt

[annabanana]

38. Conditional response should not dictate policy

[annabanana]

41. Political initiative have been tepid.. Where's the diplomatic "surge"?

[Ichingcarpenter]

45. Load of Crock says we have working groups..

Where is Rice doing anything like Kissenger Hagel says.

[nashville_brook]

42. Crocker just wants some of that sweet sweet milk Patraeus drinks...

diplomatic surge my ass.

get to work, that's your surge.

[annabanana]

44. HA! Where's Condoleeza Rice moving around like Kissinger?

[bushmeister0]

46. Do we really want Condi flying around like Kissinger?

She's already screwed the pooch pretty good in Palestine.

[annabanana]

51. She is incapable... not going anywhere

[annabanana]

47. Kerry up

[gateley]

48. Crocker brings up Iran.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

49. Was that Feingold I see?

!!

[annabanana]

50. to Patr: "you've done about as well as you can militarily"

[Ichingcarpenter]

52. Senator Kerry up now!!!

Saying you have achieved 'a kind of progress' and thank you.

But the problem is there is a larger since of balancing going on in regards to the world
and our relationship to it.

[annabanana]

53. The Iraqi government is fumbling around here & there..incapable

[annabanana]

54. The whole world knows that our military can't keep this up indefinately

[annabanana]

55. "no one feels there's been sufficient progress politically"

[Ichingcarpenter]

59. There is no military solution you said it

do you ask yourself this empowers the Iraqis to not make decisions
by relying on the US troops.

[annabanana]

56. You yourself has said that war is not the determinate factor..

[annabanana]

57. The fundamental struggle of Iraq remains the same... sectarian..

[sabra]

58. Sen. Kerry is laying it out perfectly! Let's see Petraus spin...

[gateley]

60. Patraeus and Kerry rumble! I'm going to believe Kerry over Patraeus. nt

[sabra]

61. if I had a penny for each time I heard "sons of Iraq" - I would be able to pay for gas for my Hummer

[Ichingcarpenter]

65. Kerry is almost calling him a liar

on the political stalemate......

[gateley]

68. And I'd be able to BUY a Hummer. Plus a Lamborghini. nt

[annabanana]

62. "And we helped". . .

[XOKCowboy]

63. How disrespectful the Dems are being!

How dare them ask hard questions instead of using their time for glowing platitudes for Petraeus and our glorious victory in Iraq!

Do I need to add :sarcasm: ?

[annabanana]

64. If that's so.. Why the stalemate?

[Ichingcarpenter]

67. Sen. Coleman is up....... imagine Al Franken in his seat next year

I can.

[doublethink]

84. Yeah I can see Al playing "Wait Wait… Don't Lie To Me! " ....

with these guys that would be great!

[annabanana]

66. Norm Coleman up now.....

[bobthedrummer]

69. The one and only Norm Coleman

:argh:

[annabanana]

70. Even Coleman is asking "where's the pressure" on Maliki?

[gateley]

73. Last week the Committee pretty much presented as a unified front -- hardly

any partisanship. .

[gateley]

71. OT -- Kerry's wristband -- is that new? nt

[PatSeg]

72. I noticed that too!

[gateley]

75. Isn't that the one for Lance Armstrong's organization?

Cancer?

[karynnj]

108. yes, he's worn it since 2004

He also gave an incredible personal talk on cancer in 2006 at a Livestrong conference in 2006 - it's the bottom link under multimedia on Johnkerry.com

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. I missed it! What color?

[gateley]

80. Yellow -

Lance Armstrong's org? Cancer?

[PatSeg]

81. Yellow, I think

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

90. Thanks. That's cancer support.

[karynnj]

106. It's for cancer

He's worn one since he was given one in 2004.

[annabanana]

74. How will we know when we've won? - Coleman

[annabanana]

76. When CAN we set a timetable?

[gateley]

78. They won't be able to answer. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. He's up for reelection this year.

[annabanana]

79. patr: no answer.. just gobbledy gook

[Ichingcarpenter]

86. Coleman saying the Iranian did an act of war

in Iraq.

[annabanana]

83. Norm asking about Iran now. . what do we need to do?

[annabanana]

85. Patr. says "my job is in Iraq"

[annabanana]

87. HA.. not my job

[annabanana]

88. Feingold up!!

[PatSeg]

89. Feingold up now

[annabanana]

91. I wish we were hearing from people with a larger concern than just Iraq

[gateley]

103. I think the SFRC DOES look at the larger picture,

but realize that Iraq is the "boulder in the middle of the road" that needs to be removed so we can focus on the other areas more fully.

[Ichingcarpenter]

92. Fiengold!!!

[XOKCowboy]

93. Go Russ Go

This oughta be good.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

94. Russssss!!!!!

[cal04]

95. Iraq is hurting our national security

says Feingold
where do you take the risks
the threat by Al Queda

[gateley]

96. Just caught a glimpse of Obama at the end of the table --

Probably the longest he's been able to sit down for a LONG time!

[Deny and Shred]

97. Crocker must be paid per "Uh"

[gateley]

99. Ha! nt

[bobthedrummer]

98. "Bush CIA Nominee Turned Blind Eye As Arms Flowed To Al Qaeda In 1994, 1995"

by J.M. Berger (INTELWIRE.com 5-12-2006)
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/hayden-bosnia.htm

GO RUSS!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

100. Al Queda in Iraq bullshit again.

[MadBadger]

101. Finally Caught got a peak of Obama, sitting on the far side.

Foreign Relations totally kicks Armed Services' Ass btw.

Obama, Biden, Dodd, Kerry, Feingold, Boxer, Hagel, Webb...cannot beat that.

[annabanana]

102. NUMBER FOUR IS UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3126487

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

104. Russ calling Betrayus on the Al Qaeda in Iraq bullshit, and doing it very well.

[XOKCowboy]

105. Russ: Osama wants to bankrupt the US

Way to go Russ

[pberq]

109. This was the first great moment in these hearings

For me, Russ hit the nail on the head with this one. The two boys were squirming.

He told them they are playing into OBL's hand.

[babylonsister]

107. Voinovich, a rethug voice of reason; how novel! nt