****Official SFRC Petraeus Hearing Thread - TWO****

[gateley]

Thread One:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3125327&mesg_id=3125327

[ClayZ]

1. Thank You! K and R

[Champion Jack]

2. Oh look another distraction from the chimp

[annabanana]

25. Are they just re-reading what they did this morning? It all sounds the same

[bdamomma]

41. yes, they are catapulting the propaganda

oh, I am waiting what they are going to say about beating the drum for Iran. Biden will not stand for this.

[bobthedrummer]

3. Thank you k&r

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Good time to start one

Since it is almost the same speech he gave this morning.

[bdamomma]

5. thanks gateley.

for the threads.

[gateley]

9. Absolutely -- my pleasure -- I'm into this. As soon as Crocker stops yammering. nt

[gateley]

6. Jesus - isn't his time up yet? Do I hear snores from the committee members? nt

[lisa58]

10. I just washed the dishes...

...hoping he would be done when I was done - too bad.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. Iraq has a flag now and

Iran is causing all the problems.

[gateley]

22. Oh -- I didn't know they have a FLAG! Mission Accomplished, then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. That's his and Betrayus' strategy. Excuse me while I close my eyes.....

[bobthedrummer]

7. Ryan Crocker Source Watch profile

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ryan_Crocker

[gateley]

12. Thanks for posting this again --

I saw it on the other thread but didn't get a chance to check it out.

Boy, career diplomat is right! Does that mean he kind of blows the way of whichever party is in control?

[bobthedrummer]

Note his National War College postings.

[bdamomma]

8. I'm running to ladies room be right back.

what did I miss, these Senators will not play the Iran game hopefully.

[gateley]

16. You should have taken a Calgon Moment bath -- this is painful.

I don't think these people are going to give him an inch -- they'd better not because he's just WRONG.

[bdamomma]

13. how dare this guy name bin laden when his leader has not caught him yet.

what total BS.

crocker is repeating his speech from this morning.

[gateley]

15. Shut the fuck up!

We're CLOSER to SUCCESS?

If I were a member of that committee, you'd have to physically hold me back.

[bdamomma]

17. oh more repeating or catapulting the propaganda.

come on get to the questions.

[PatSeg]

19. I'm falling asleep

I need some action!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

18. Petraeus up with opening remarks.

Let's see how long he goes.....

[Graybeard]

20. Great shot of Boxer shaking her head...

...listening to the General's bull shit. Can't wait for her to go at him.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

21. So, it's an hour in, with just opening remarks.

How long will they have for questions?

[doublethink]

23. They are filibustering and trying to run out the clock ......

less time for questions ....

[gateley]

26. Can hearings go into the night -- like sessions of the Senate and Congress? nt

[gateley]

24. And people call Biden a windbag! Sheesh!

Last week they had "rounds" of seven minutes, I think.

[bushmeister0]

27. What are the "special groups?

Watch out for that Sadr Trend.

After a while of listening to this crap; "special groups," "Sadr Trend," "AQI," "special groups," "Sadr Trend," "AQI," "special groups," "Sadr Trend," "AQI," "Sadr Trend," "AQI," "Special Groups" etc. it all seems to run together. No wonder John McCain is confused!

[annabanana]

30. confusion is the tactic.... vague definitions...

[Graybeard]

37. And don't forget the Sons of the Desert, er... I mean the Sons of Iraq

Do they wear the same goofy hats as the Laurel and Hardy "Sons"?

[bushmeister0]

46. How about the Son's of Bitches who were blowiing up our sons just last year!

[doublethink]

38. I caught that 'special groups' designation earlier too .... and he keeps repeating it.

Guess if you have no specific title for a group they can't really be investigated ..... just be vague, believe ..... create doubt, muddy the waters. Accuse the unspecific boggy man tie it to Iran and there ya go !! :eyes:

[annabanana]

28. This is the same speech from this morning, right?

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. The Charts have different colors and are bigger

Enough of this shit.

[gateley]

29. There's that "Sons of Iraq" term again. FOUR TIMES IN A ROW! nt

[annabanana]

31. That's the same as the "Sunni Awakening", right?

[PatSeg]

35. Gotta keep catapulting the propaganda

you know. Just another PR phrase to make it sound better than paid mercenaries.

[Hepburn]

33. Is this only on the net....or can we find this on the tube, too?

TIA for any info! :hi:

[Eurobabe]

39. It's on C-SPAN3 on the telly, and you can probably

stream C-3 from c-span.org

[Hepburn]

47. My CSpan-3 went out on me....

...but I found a live stream on CNN.

Thanks!

[annabanana]

40. Only if you get CSpan 3

[gateley]

45. I'm guessing it's on Cspan??? (I don't have cable).

You might try MSNBC and CNN, too -- I think someone mentioned they were covering part of this morning's SAFC hearing.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

52. MSNBC is back to covering it. For now.

[Eurobabe]

34. Guys, I can't watch this anymore

it's too draining, plus it's close to 10pm here. I'll watch the clips tomorrow. Sayonara :hi:

[bdamomma]

50. nite 48percenter, nice to have you join us.

this will probably be repeated tonite on C Span or C Span 2:hi:

[annabanana]

36. I just got back from driving 110 miles on an errand.. I sure didn t miss much

[PatSeg]

43. Charts

Lots of cool charts!

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

He is running out the clock. he never talked this much on the other committee.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

54. LOL!! nt

[Occulus]

95. That's one hell of an errand.

Of course, I work with someone who has a TWO HOUR DRIVE to work.

She has a motor home. Last night she "joked" that she should drive that to work and just live in the parking lot for the week. With her trip, and the cost of gas, that almost made sense... and I think she was only half-joking.

At 7MPG, though.... wow...

[bushmeister0]

42. Wouldn't it be easier to defeat AQI by going to the source? Um, like in

Pakistan? Oh, right we can't because we're stuck in Iraq!

[annabanana]

44. no no that's just plain AQ (you know, "The Originals")

[bushmeister0]

48. We're going to smoke them out, right?

[annabanana]

49. He IS reading the same statement as this morning.. I remember this part

[doublethink]

53. I think this is the 'special extended' DVD version ......

extra features and shit that no one cares about ......

[Ichingcarpenter]

58. The Super duper extended DVD with 8 disks

each have bonus scenes that were left out because they were
considered lame and considered bloopers.

[bdamomma]

55. this is all a repeat hashing from this morning.

[gateley]

64. You may be the only one paying attention, annabanana -- I know it's

just one long hum to me. Except for the Sons of Iraq term. That just keeps jumping out at me because he's using it about 6 times per sentence.

We get it already, Patraeus, and you're sooooo transparent.

[bushmeister0]

56. OMG, that montone, my brain is turning to stone.

Couldn't he have just submitted this in writting so we can get on with the guestions?

Or at least get someone more interesting to read this BS, John Facenda or something.

Enough with the filibustering, already!

[bdamomma]

57. I'm going unfortunately I will try to check in, when the questioning

starts.

[PatSeg]

66. Whoopee

Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!

[annabanana]

59. I can't wait for the Senators to get in there & mix it up

[Ichingcarpenter]

60. His opening statement is almost longer than the war n/t

[annabanana]

61. "In Closing......" YAY!!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

62. he said "in closing"!!!!

[annabanana]

63. Biden up!! Here we go!

[Ichingcarpenter]

68. Biden is laying down the law on the constitution

Congress needs to write the laws not be informed of the law.

[annabanana]

65. You need to do more than "inform" the Congress...

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

71. Audience claps and is promptly spanked. LOL.

[annabanana]

67. Let's assume that the progress has been made//let's assume that our committment is NOT open ended

[bdamomma]

69. oh, biden is kicking and so sorry I have to leave now.

[annabanana]

70. How much progress NEEDS to be made for a draw down?

[grassfed]

72. Obama/Biden

[malta blue]

73. yay JOE!

:bounce:

[gateley]

74. On a scale of 1 to 10.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

75. Petraeus pulls out a 6.

[bobthedrummer]

76. Simple question. Answer it.

[malta blue]

77. Biden does NOT like the squirmy answers he is being

given.

[annabanana]

78. Crocker admits that AQ in Pakistan is more important to our National Security

than in Iraq

[bobthedrummer]

87. Crock O Crap was US Ambassador to Pakistan November 2004-March 2007.

[gateley]

96. Good job, there, Crocker. nt

[muryan]

79. biden is tearing into crocker

and i love it.

Crocker: "ummm, uhhh, ummm, mr uhhh, ummm chairman, uhhh, ummmmm"

[gateley]

80. Biden is ON IT! nt

[annabanana]

81. Are there any conditions under which you'd recommend leaving (BAD conditions?)

i.e how bad would it have to be??

[gateley]

82. Let me give you the specifics == way to go, Joe!

[annabanana]

83. What if violence forstalls their upcoming elections?

[PatSeg]

86. That was beautiful!

I love JOE

[gateley]

92. Absolutely masterful!

And I love him, too!

[annabanana]

84. Lugar up

[bushmeister0]

85. Sunni/Shia violence? That's a hypothetical?

[muryan]

91. Apparently so

Crocker's starting to swear, I'll tell you that much

[annabanana]

88. Lugar is stressing the strain on the military

[gateley]

89. Bravo, Biden! -- VERY well done!

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[Ichingcarpenter]

90. Crocker is just lying and can't see the future

or discuss it. Very poor planning in the defense department
if he can't do that.

Lugar is now talking about our armed forces and if you can't
plan how do you know what the fuck are you talking about.

[annabanana]

93. He asks "What exactly are the dire circumstances" if we withdraw?

[annabanana]

94. i.e. what are our plans then?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

98. Petraeus, We have our teeth in their Jugular and we have to keep it there.

Is that what he said?

[bushmeister0]

102. You could see he wanted to say "their ass."

[Ichingcarpenter]

97. The 'Art of War' is a book this General hasn't read

he is not competent.

[bushmeister0]

99. One way ticket from "some" Arab country to Damascus?

Like Saudi Arabia for instance?

[annabanana]

100. Lugar hunting for scary Iran stuff. .

[bobthedrummer]

101. More "war as policy"=BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN

[Ichingcarpenter]

105. Dodd up now talking about soldier's mental health

and combat stress? Dodd is great too

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

103. Dodd up.

[annabanana]

104. three up!!! THREE UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3126141

[gateley]

106. SELF DELETE

[bushmeister0]

107. "Army leaders are expressing increased alarm about the mental health of soldiers

who would be sent back to the front again and again under plans that call for troop numbers to be sustained at high levels in Iraq for this year and beyond.

Among combat troops sent to Iraq for the third or fourth time, more than one in four show signs of anxiety, depression or acute stress, according to an official Army survey of soldiers’ mental health.

The stress of long and multiple deployments to Iraq is just one of the concerns being voiced by senior military officers in Washington as Gen. David H. Petraeus, the senior Iraq commander, prepares to tell Congress this week that he is not ready to endorse any drawdowns beyond those already scheduled through July."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/washington/06military.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin