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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:11 PM
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Lieberman Is Officially the New Zell Miller
from AlterNet's PEEK:


Lieberman Is Officially the New Zell Miller

Posted by Steve Benen, The Carpetbagger Report at 2:05 PM on March 31, 2008.

Lieberman’s denunciation of the Democratic Party is Miller-esque, and should disqualify him from holding any kind of seniority within the caucus.



That Joe Lieberman endorsed John McCain didn’t surprise me. That Lieberman would appear alongside McCain on the campaign trail, over and over again, barely raised an eyebrow. There are rumors that Lieberman is entertaining a prominent role at the Republican National Convention in September, which seems consistent with his character.

But Lieberman’s appearance on “This Week” yesterday was a stark reminder that stripping him of his committee chairmanship and driving him from the caucus should be high on the list of Senate Democrats’ priorities in 2009.

Stephanopoulos noted, for example, that Lieberman assured Connecticut voters in 2006 that he was committed to helping elect a Democratic presidential candidate in 2008, and asked about the senator going back on his word.

Speaking on ABC’s “This Week,” Lieberman, Independent of Connecticut, said it is not the same party that made him its vice presidential candidate in 2000.

“It’s not the Bill Clinton-Al Gore party, which was strong internationalists, strong on defense, pro-trade, pro-reform in our domestic government,” he said. “It’s been effectively taken over by a small group on the left of the party that is protectionist, isolationist, and very, very hyperpartisan. So it pains me.”


Lieberman added that McCain is “a reformer, somebody who understands ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country and remembers the other part of the Kennedy inaugural, which said that we will bear any burden, pay any price to assure the survival and sustenance of liberty. That’s John McCain.”

There’s another member of the Senate Dem caucus who, not too long ago, talked the same way. His name was Zell Miller.

Michael Scherer explained:

This is Lieberman making a Republican general election argument, and it is notable for its scope. He is not just condemning his party’s position on Iraq, or praising McCain, his long-time friend. He is condemning in sweeping language the very core identity of the Democratic Party as weak and extremist. This is a tried and true Republican theme, which traditionally has more to do with scaring independent voters than with actual reasoned debate of the issues. It is not hard to remember another Democratic exile, Georgia Sen. Zell Miller, making a similar argument at the 2004 Republican Convention. (…)

The thematic coding is almost identical, though Miller huffed-and-puffed, while Lieberman spoke evenly, struggling with a cold. The message: The once noble Democratic Party has been taken over by peaceniks and radicals, who are weakening the country and threatening our security. Nearly two years after being rejected by his lifelong party in the Connecticut primary, it appears that Lieberman has only begun his effort to exact revenge. Look for him in September on a Twin Cities stage.


I’ve been reluctant to draw the Lieberman-Miller parallel, in large part because Miller voted with Republicans on everything, whereas Lieberman still votes with Dems on most domestic policy issues. But Scherer’s right; Lieberman’s denunciation of the Democratic Party is, at a minimum, Miller-esque, and should disqualify Lieberman from holding any kind of seniority within the caucus. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80851/




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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:12 PM
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1. And just in time too ...
The old Zell Miller was getting stale ...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 04:26 PM
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19. LOL....
n/t
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:14 PM
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2. If Joe is the new Zell...
does that make Hillary the new Joe???

:)
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:24 PM
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4. by jove, I think you've got it!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:18 PM
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3. It's really telling that the Dem "leadership" is too cowardly
to deal with this. Part and parcel to MANY of their problems (and low ratings) IMO.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:32 PM
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5. Until the Dems get a 52-48 lead in the Senate... We are going to have to endure...
...this ignorant shit from Senator Lieberman. That is the sad fucking reality of life... it's like living with hemorrhoids. However, our Preparation H is a sound Democratic lead in the Senate. If we make the gains I expect we will make... Lieberman will more than likely change parties or retire and the problem will resolve itself. If we don't make the gains, the country will spiral into all out revolution, murder all the Senators and the problem will resolve itself. Either way, Lieberman is a fuckwad who can go resolve himself.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 07:33 PM
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6. One Seat...
If I understand the math correctly, we need one seat to give us a majority without the caucusing of Zell Lieberman.

Here's what I want: a majority large enough so the next Senate Majority Leader can tell Joe to go to hell. And I want this moment videotaped from several angles. And if the DNC would like to sell copies of this momentous event, captured for our entertainment, I would make a generous contribution.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 08:23 PM
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8. its pretty dang bad when your lower than .....
Joe Lieberman is much lower than Zell Miller
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:13 AM
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12. He has to know that he will lose his Committee in November
We take a hand full of seats in the Senate and he isn't necessary any more. There goes his Charimanship of Homeland Security.
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 07:28 AM
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13. looking up
Old Joementum himself has to look up to see Red Neck Zell. How the people from my state voted for this wooden toothed liar is something I'll never understand. The SOB held Dick Chaney's hand in their 2000 debate. Probably the most despised politician in dem circles.

Bill from ct
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:56 AM
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14. I don't share your "pain" Joe.
I'm not willing to pay your price to assure your insane concept of liberty. You can clutch hysterically onto your fascist Patriot Act, hump Bush like McCain did all you want for all I care, if that is your proof of your liberty. But whose liberty can your mad mind be referring to? Liberty for whom? Your concept of liberty is not mine, and it is not the Democratic Party's, and never was.

Joe Lieberman your concept of liberty is for crazy crazy crazy vicious old coots like you and McCheney. You are a danger to society and if you weren't so powerful and harmful, you'd be a laughingstock.

Now that he's a pariah, he puts down the Democratic party like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard putting down Paramount. "I AM big, it's the pictures that got small!"

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:00 AM
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15. i know its after the fact now, but
those DUers who openly worked for Lamont's defeat have a lot to answer for...
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wrando Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:08 PM
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16. who?
he didn't win with dems, the repugs bank rolled and voted him in

bill from ct
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:20 PM
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18. Yep, the Republicans left their actual candidate out to dry
and voted (I) for Joe.

IIRC, the Rep. candidate was pretty flawed and already in some sort of legal/ethical trouble leading up to the election so the Reps. went with the next best thing ( as they saw it).
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 03:17 PM
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17. Well, Joe broke his word, claiming the Dems are being controlled by a small group of lefties
so he's married himself into a political party convention still controlled by a coalition of neo-cons and evangelical dominionists. So apparently he doesn't believe the Far Right is a minority.

Republicans are desperately trying to repackage McCain as a "moderate" on everything, so far removed from the Right that no American could possibly believe it could be "more-of-the-same."

We best be prepared to point out his growing connections with the Right and his attachment to George Bush. Conservatives are already at a loss to answer questions (other than immigration and anti-lobbying bills) about McCain being such a "maverick" - except that he doesn't always automatically jump onto the bandwagon of every looney tune constitutional amendment the wingnuts want. Still, he has promised right wing Supreme Court justices - and every other commitment he makes to the Far Right should be broadcasted loud and clear. . .

As for Lieberman, perhaps someone should have asked him how much influence Rev. Moon and the Religious Right have in the Republican Party and if he honestly believes that McCain doesn't have to pander to the neo-con Right.

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