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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:23 PM
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Larry Silverstein Sueing UA/AA/CO Airlines For 9/11
NEW YORK (CNN) -- The developer of the World Trade Center in New York is seeking $12.3 billion in damages from the airlines and other companies associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks, his spokesman said Thursday.


Firefighters survey the destroyed facade of the World Trade Center on September 13, 2001.

Larry Silverstein, president and CEO of Silverstein Properties, has recovered $4.6 billion in insurance payments, spokesman Bud Perrone said.

The additional money is meant to offset the remaining costs of what was lost on September 11.

Perrone was not able to provide a full list of defendants, but the companies named in the suit include American Airlines, United Airlines, Continental Airlines and Boeing.

Also named: MassPort, which manages Logan International Airport in Boston, where the planes that hit the World Trade Center took off.

Most of the money sought in the lawsuit -- $8.4 billion -- would replace the property that was destroyed in the attacks, Perrone said.

The remaining $3.9 billion would pay for lost income and expenses associated with renting the new buildings.

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The efforts to recover damages did not stand in the way of the families of September 11 victims pursuing wrongful-death suits, said Janno Lieber, president of World Trade Center Properties.

There was no immediate comment from the companies involved

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He was the one that pulled building 7, how could they have demolished that in such a short time, unless he knew about the demolition charges beforehand......:grr: :hi:


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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:25 PM
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1. Stand back...
My head is about to explode.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:27 PM
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2. Now THIS should be interesting.
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 12:30 PM by no_hypocrisy
Don't you think counsel for UA/AA/CO Airlines will introduce evidence about how the Towers were destroyed in order to exonerate their clients? Maybe this is the only way to get a neutral forum on what really happened on the day of 9-11.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:34 PM
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6. greed gone wild
It would be fabulous if the truth came out in the trial and the bastards go down by their own greed.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:28 PM
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3. Mr. Silverstein- Welcome to Discovery
What a moron! The airlines can produce that clip that Building 7 was "pulled" and even turn up more evidence about the buildings' collapse. Perhaps he wouldn't have had as much damage to sue for.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:31 PM
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4. Link, please? nt
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:35 PM
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7. Link for what?
It was CNN...

:hi:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:42 PM
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Here's the link. It took a minute to find it at CNN
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:22 PM
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29. Thanks. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:43 PM
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11. here
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:47 PM
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21. I think Larry wants to keep an eye on the other litigants...
...

His case was consolidated last week with similar, earlier lawsuits brought by families of some victims of the attack and by other property owners. But in seeking $12.3 billion, he is by far the biggest claimant in the litigation.

...
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 01:22 PM
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28. Gracias. nt
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:33 PM
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5. Actually this could become very interesting
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 12:33 PM by DrDebug
Because Larry now has to proof that Flight AA11, a Boeing 767, left from Logan Airport, Boston, and crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York (upto know there is no known evidence that any of this happened other than the assumption that a flight AA11 did it). He also has to proof that UA175, a Boeing 767, left from Logan Airport, Boston, and crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York (once again there is no evidence that this happened except for the assumption that a flight UA175 did it). Also the footage does not show an identifiable aircraft. Especially not an identifiable AA11 and UA175.

He also has to proof that N334AA is in fact AA11 and that N612UA is in fact UA175. And to explain why N334AA wasn't destroyed until Jan 14 2002. And why N612UA was merely cancelled in 2002 and wasn't listed as destroyed either.

In short, finally some "details" which the Official Conspiracy Theory overlooked have to be answered if Larry blames American Airlines and United Airlines for crashing their planes into the buildings..
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:42 PM
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10. HEY stranger!!!
:hi:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:45 PM
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13. Hiya back :)
:wave:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:47 PM
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15. Now DemoTex came up with something down below which could be important.
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 12:48 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
He (Silverstein) has also named Continental Airlines in the suit. Is it possible that the planes used were actually owned by Continental?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:03 PM
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16. According to the OCT they were owned by AA and UA
However there is no proof. The engine part found was not a Boeing 767 and certainly not of AA 11 and UA 175. The planes which were supposed to be AA11 and UA175 were not immediately marked as destroyed and it tooks many months before they were finally marked as destroyed by the FAA.

The footage doesn't even show something which is positively a Boeing 767. Let alone the planes in question.

I can't find it anymore, but one of the planes was not owned by American or United Airlines. They were merely renting so, they weren't either owners, but I have to get back on that point. It was not Continental Airlines BTW but a company in New Hampshire who owned that particular airplane.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:49 PM
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23. Then we are still left with the question as to why Continental Airlines is named in the suit.
The only reference I can find to Continental and 9/11, was

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/13/september11.afghanistan

An intelligence source in the US said another plane due to have been hijacked was a Continental Airlines flight from Newark on the morning of September 11. Retractable knives (similar to Stanley knives) of the same type used in the four successful hijackings were found taped to the backs of fold-down trays.


The only legitimate reason I can think of Silverstein suing Continental is if either of the planes left a Continental Airlines Terminal. I believe American Airline had their own. I don't know about United.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:02 PM
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25. UA175 left from 1MA3
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 03:20 PM by DrDebug
1MA3 is of course Boston Heliport (one of those unexplained anomalies)

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA01MA063&rpt=fa
Scroll down
to page 3 of 5.
The Departure Airport Code is 1MA3.
This is the code for Boston Heliport.



UA175, a Boeing 767, left from this location to fly towards Los Angeles, according to the Official Conspiracy Theory...

Edit: Sorry, confused the two planes. UA175 left Boston Heliport according to the NTSB.

Also on edit:

United Airlines is of course still 29.9% owned by Axa ( http://www.transnationale.org/companies/ual_united_airlines.php ) and that's going to be fun as well, because Axa, one of the largest insurance companies in the world, was founded and still has a Chairman of the Board: Claude Bebear (also Vivendi-Universal and BNP Paribas). His nicknames include Crocodile Claude and The Godfather of French Capitalism and he is author of the book: "They Are Going To Kill Capitalism."

In short Larry tries to touch Claude's money and I doubt whether Claude cares about Bush and the OCT if HIS money is concerned...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:39 PM
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26. Wow! I know quite a bit, but didn't know this. From a heliport? Odder and odder. And AA11
had two departure gates......
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:43 PM
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27. The probably just filled in a gate which is available
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 03:44 PM by DrDebug
and never corrected their mistake.

  • AA11, a Boeing 767, left from Logan Airport, Boston, and crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York
  • UA175, a Boeing 767, left from Logan Airport, Boston, and crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York

    Those two simple sentences are so full of holes, inconsistencies and assumptions that you can never proof them beyond reasonable doubt and thus you can never accuse American Airlines and United Airlines having anything to do with the destruction of the World Trade Center other then perhaps playing along with the fictional report.
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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:14 PM
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    17. N334AA (AA11) is not owned by American Airlines
    This was the plane which was a rental, so shouldn't Larry be suing First Union Bank because they are the owners.
    Name FIRST UNION NATIONAL BANK TRUSTEE
    Street ONE RODNEY SQUARE
    920 KING STREET SUITE 102
    City WILMINGTON State DELAWARE Zip Code 19801
    County NEW CASTLE
    Country UNITED STATES

    http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=334AA&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind.y=0
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    OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:38 PM
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    22. He might be suing them as well. The article says ... and other companies.
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    Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:21 PM
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    18. I Wonder If
    The CIA Or the Cabal will let this even get into court, as the outcome would be
    explosive, and maybe answer all of the discrepencies in the 9/11 fiction report.....

    :hi:

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    DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:27 PM
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    19. I think that Larry took his greed too far...
    Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 01:28 PM by DrDebug
    This is merely revenge because he was promised $4B profit and "only" got $1B.

    As far as AA and UA goes: they can claim that their aircraft were merely hijacked, but that they doubt - in hindsight - whether THEIR planes hit the building. Even though it blows a hole in the OCT the size of lower Manhattan, it is their best defense because Larry can never positively identify the aircraft as belonging to AA and UA.

    I don't think that the CIA/Bush administration will not allow Larry to this.
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    musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:37 PM
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    8. as i've said before
    would love to see just how well Larry and Marvin Bu$h know each other.
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    DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:37 PM
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    9. Why Continental Airlines?
    The 9/11 aircraft were all UAL and AA.
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    OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:45 PM
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    12. Maybe he knows something we don't know? This is fascinating.
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    grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:47 PM
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    14. Larry Silverstein admits to having demolished wtc building 7

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2q2mD2HaKA&feature=related

    It takes over two weeks to set up a controlled demolition of a building. So by admitting that he ordered the demolition of building 7 on September 11th Larry Silverstein is in fact admitting that he planned the demolition two weeks in advance. If Pull it is a demolition term. You can verify by calling a demolition company or look it up. If you don't have time to call yourself you can listen to this recorded phone call at http://waitingforthestorm.com/mp3/pull_it_demolition.mov

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    Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:41 PM
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    20. Larry already got $4.6 billion for his $3.2 billion lease... (NY Times)
    ...

    The claims by the parties involved total about $23 billion, and Mr. Silverstein’s claim for such a large chunk could jeopardize claims from other businesses and property owners, according to defense lawyers. A lawyer for the victims’ families, Donald Migliori, said he was confident that their claims would not be affected because they would take priority over the property claims.

    A lawyer for the airlines, Desmond Barry, said that if Mr. Silverstein won his claim, he could push the total claims beyond the amount of insurance that the airlines and security companies have available. “There ain’t that much insurance,” Mr. Barry said.

    The federal government has capped the liability at the amount of available insurance, to avoid bankrupting the airlines. The exact amount of insurance available is still being explored in the court proceedings.

    Richard A. Williamson, a lawyer for Mr. Silverstein, said at the court conference on March 18 that Mr. Silverstein was seeking damages to compensate him for continuing losses at the site. Mr. Silverstein, through his company, World Trade Center Properties, has a 99-year lease, worth $3.2 billion, on four buildings at the site, including the fallen twin towers. He signed the lease in July 2001, just six weeks before the attack.

    ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/nyregion/27rebuild.html?ref=nyregion

    Is Larry trying to eclipse the other parties? :shrug:
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    warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:55 PM
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    24. And the lifetime achievement award for unmitigated gall and nekkid greed goes to...
    This is just amazing. I don't know how else to characterize it. Here's a guy who pretty much admitted on live TV that he ordered the demolition of WTC 7.

    As if a crew of thousands of demolitions experts snuck into WTC 7 around noon, scoped the place out well enough to learn everything they needed to know about its vulnerabilities, set the charges and got out of there well before quitting time.

    "The smartest thing to do is pull it," Larry said. Which all know is demolition-speak for "let 'er rip." Larry tried to clean it up by telling us he meant "pulling" the firefighters from the building, which is weird because there hadn't been any firefighters in the building since 9:03 that morning. Plus, nobody talks like that anyway. But whatever, dude...

    He only put down $125 million to take possession of the WTC complex. That was refunded by the Port Authority post- 9/11. And he's never had to pay another dime, although he somehow still holds the lease to the place.

    He also already owned (or had already leased, I'm not sure which) WTC 7 prior to securing the rest of the complex. Which means that, among other things, unlike the previous scenario involving the three-hour setup and charge placement complete with extra money to cover rush charges, he had plenty of time to get the place thoroughly analyzed by demo experts and the charges placed precisely where they had to be to initiate a textbook vertical collapse caused by controlled demolition.

    But we're told the building was hit by debris from the towers and that's what caused it to fall. No wait; there was a huge tank of diesel in the basement and caught fire and that's what caused the collapse. But wait; it doesn't burn hot enough and the damage from debris isn't substantial enough. No wait: just trust us; just trust us...

    He actually took out insurance against terrorist attacks, showing a level of prescience and/or business acumen heretofore unseen in the modern world.

    He then had the gall to file two claims for terrorist-related damage, since two separate planes allegedly hit two separate buildings. And the insurance company -- childlike in their gullibility and quick to hand out happy buckets of case, like all companies in the insurance industry -- didn't blink and just paid both claims.

    But even with that incredible history of pure chutzpah, this latest move takes top honors.

    Here's to you, Larry. You may be an accessory to mass murder and a greedy prick to boot, but you're all alone at the top of the brass balls pyramid.


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