UC Davis Professor: Working Women Cry More On Job Than Men

[Rage for Order]

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/794223.html

http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=8580

Professional women spend a significant amount of time and effort hiding tears on the job: They may run out of a meeting, hole up in an office with the door closed or hide in a bathroom stall until the weeping stops, according to Kimberly Elsbach, professor of management at the University of California, Davis, Graduate School of Management.

"It's an enormous burden women have that men don't have," says Elsbach, who is several months into a study of crying in the workplace. "Men typically don't cry as often as women, and don't have to spend as much energy working to suppress tears on the job."

Most previous research has focused on the reasons people cry and the impact of crying on their health and well-being. Elsbach, a specialist in organizational behavior, is among the first researchers to explore the professional consequences of crying on the job.

She has conducted interviews with more than a dozen professional women so far. "Every woman had cried at work -- most said they had gone to great pains to hide it," she said. Previous research has found that across cultures, women are more likely than men to cry due to frustration, stress and anger, or in response to criticism. Existing research also suggests that crying is perceived more positively if it is viewed as sincere rather than manipulative, and if it seems justified -- in response to bullying, for example.


This should be interesting :popcorn:

[Slagathor]

1. Why would anyone cry over work?

I'd really think less of a person who cried over the design of a new company flyer or a poorly run meeting on the new travel expense form. I think that the day I cried over work would be the day that I'd take a reality check and quit my job.

[stevedeshazer]

4. Then your work is not important to you

Get therapy. You need it.

Sincerely,

Man who has cried at work because it was important to me and I'm not afraid to show it.

[Slagathor]

6. My "work" is what I do on my own, for myself

my job is just a way to pay the bills. I'll never be convinced that I should work myself to death for anyone other than me.

[stevedeshazer]

10. Your post was a response about crying, not about paying your bills

Try to stay on topic there for a minute, Iron Man.

[Slagathor]

13. Hey, I cry over my actual work all the time

but not over my job. I cannot understand why anyone would either a) define themselves as their jobs or b) cry over something that wasn't the be all and end all of their existence.

[NeedleCast]

196. Is it not possible

that some of us feel very passionatly about our jobs?

[bananas]

206. There is a difference of perspective

Some people choose to work in fields they feel passionate about,
you work in a field you don't give a shit about.
From their perspective, you are are wasting both your and their time.

[apocalypsehow]

128. Not taking a side here, but allow me to observe that you are a quite hostile human being.

You told the other poster: "Get therapy. You need it."

I say: "Physician, heal thyself."

[stevedeshazer]

198. Isn't telling me that I'm "quite a hostile human being" hostile?

Not taking a side?

Gimme a break.

[bananas]

205. No. nt

[stevedeshazer]

227. I'm sorry

Wanna cookie?

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. I LOVE my job. Get therapy because I don't cry at work? GET REAL. n/t

[DangerDave921]

96. Dude . . .

Unless you work in a funeral home, or are dealing with babies who have cancer, then you should not be crying at work. Seriously, if I saw a man crying at work, I would have to look the other way.

[femrap]

161. You must have been one of my asshole bosses! nt

[DangerDave921]

202. LOL

Nope. Just a regular guy who can't imagine crying at work.

Crying over a major emotional break-up? Death in the family? Sure. But at work? Just can't do that.

[femrap]

213. Never say never....it'll come back to bite you. nt

[musiclawyer]

224. Dave, women cry at work

I've got good examples. I've worked in three places where law is practiced. Been percipient to crying incidents at each place. Full grown, mature, fully formed, highly compensated, adult females crying. Once from sheer stress, once from sheer sadness, once from sheer joy. And not one person I know of male of female, for a second, thought less of them. Crying happens. I've seen guys get all well up at Christmas parties. If women do it more, they are probably better off.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

Depends on the work does it not..

If I worked in IT for a printing company and the press broke down I would not cry, If I was a teacher and saw a kid fail a test they worked their ass off for I might be moved..

[seabeyond]

159. right on.... ya. n/t

[bananas]

204. k&r spot on! nt

[mondo joe]

29. Try to use your imagination.

Maybe imagine being someone other than you. :-)

[Slagathor]

55. imagine being some whiny little idiot who cries at work?

why?

[mondo joe]

57. Why? In order to provide yourself with an answer to your question, of course.

Why do you consider crying at work such a negative?

[Quantess]

48. Obviously, compassion is not your strong point.

And your overconfidence that you know everything there is to know about the work experiences of every working person around you, just shows you have a lot to learn.

And yes, I would like to kick Dr Phil's ass.
How about you?

[LanternWaste]

60. People laugh at work.

People laugh at work. People get angry at work. People feel frustration at work. People smile at work. People get jealous at work. People get satisfaction at work.

I don't see why people crying at work would be any better or any worse than other emotional outbursts.

I certainly wouldn't think less of anyone who laughed over the design of a house, or felt frustration over the design of a new company brochure, or smiled at a travel expense form.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other so to speak.

[hedgehog]

63. WHat if someone stood and screamed in your face for about 5 minutes?

Somehow, crying is unacceptable but to threaten someone by shouting into their face is.

[Slagathor]

88. Um... no one would dare scream at me in my job

I would probably start laughing at them. In my line of work, people have to be extremely deferential.

[Scout]

102. there you have it.....

"people have to be extremely deferential"

so, people AREN'T being assholes to you at work, they are being deferential suck-ups, yet you have the nerve to berate other people?

:rofl:

[LanternWaste]

107. Why is laughing an acceptable emotional response

Why do you believe laughing is an acceptable emotional response, but not crying? Is one emotion somehow more valid than another?

What's the precise and relevant difference? :shrug:

[Book Lover]

115. Silly...

one is what yucky girls do, and the other (espcially coming from the guy further up the totem pole) is what big strong men do.

[LanternWaste]

117. Stupid me. Always forgetting the Rules.

Stupid me. Always forgetting the Rules. :)

[guitar man]

130. that's easy

If someone started screaming in my face, it wouldn't last 5 minutes, I can guarantee that. the last asshole that tried that wound up in the ER. ;)

I can't figure out where or when that kind of behavior ever became acceptable in the first place.

[Slagathor]

132. Cool, okay, but what if it didn't happen online or in your imagination? (nt)

[guitar man]

140. it actually did happen

I had a boss about 20 years ago that thought he could just run up on anyone he wanted to and cuss and scream at them any way he wanted. That shit doesn't fly with me, never has, never will. If I've screwed something up I'm willing to take being reprimanded in a civilized and proper manner, but I won't put up with that shit.

[RadiationTherapy]

149. I agree with this particular post. I do think less of a person who cries at work

but then, I think less of a person just for CARING about a job that much.

Maybe someday I will hold a job I care about...sigh.

[femrap]

157. You are lucky...you never had some

of the bosses that I did. And sometimes women don't have the luxury of quitting on the spot...we like to eat and have a roof over our heads.

[midnight]

2. Women the gender that brings us life, and dares to show their

human side......wow. I don't know what to say, but we have not come very far as a specious if this is something that women have to be ashamed of....Let it out. Now that I think this over... We all could and should be doing some crying. This country is in a very sad way.

[Slagathor]

8. That's goofy talk

oooooo women are these magical mystical earth mother goddess.... jesus.... you just set gender relations back 50 years. Thank god the 1960's and 1970's are over. What a stupid time they were to be alive.

[Missy Vixen]

21. Why is this?

>you just set gender relations back 50 years<

Women aren't the givers of life? We get a reminder every month that our bodies are ready for a possible fetus. Women are STILL the primary caregiver of children in most relationships. There are exceptions to every rule, but I guess I wonder why you are so resentful of the fact that (the last time I checked,) women are still the ones who carry and nurture our young.

BTW, I was born in 1960. Considering the fact that the push for equal rights for women began in the 60's, I have to wonder about your comments.

Julie

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[Missy Vixen]

74. Women are still the only ones who can give birth

>having a uterus gives you no special passes in life.<

Did I say that it did? Uh, no.

>no one is really impressed that you can gestate a fetus.<

Obviously, you've never known anyone that has, have you? One of our friends just gave birth last weekend after being in labor for four days. Why don't you come back and tell me what is or is not "impressive" when you've tried to push something the size of a basketball through an opening the size of a lemon?

When I read the verbiage above, I have to think that you have a problem with women as a whole, don't you?

>ps if you think women are the only ones who nurture our young... INSERT SWEAR WORD you<

In the meantime, your attempt to circumvent the "no personal attacks" rule by the oh-so-clever verbiage above are less than amusing.

Julie

[Slagathor]

89. ha ha ha

I have four children. It's not rocket science. It's just biology. If you think it's somehow magical and special, you've somehow managed to skip the entire point of life on the planet. There's nothing spiritual about it. It's just ordinary biology.

PS your English is frequently incorrect.

[seabeyond]

92. PS your English is frequently incorrect..... again so.... you intend to insult

but.... (i know it isnt me, but could be).... doesnt matter, .... a hoot. dont accept the insult. lol lol. a fun game it can be.

but to be really balanced, the insults, jabs should mean no more or less than a compliment and praise. then truly you are not dependent on another for self worth

[Missy Vixen]

124. seabeyond, I don't have kids

so I'm deferring to you, because I know that you do. I'll let those who carried and birthed those babies respond to someone who obviously didn't think it was that big of a deal.

After listening to what our friend went through over the weekend, I couldn't do it. I think the very ability to bring a new life into the world is a pretty big deal, but then again, I'm sappy like that.

Julie

p.s. Hopefully, my grammar and usage are accceptable...

[Missy Vixen]

122. It seems that multiple others on the thread disagree with you

I wonder why that might be.

>PS your English is frequently incorrect.<

And your point is?

Then again, I didn't earn a Master's degree in rudeness and arrogance, which I'm sure is prominently displayed in your workspace.

Julie

[TahitiNut]

93. Women are born with all their eggs ... men create sperm.

Just a biological fact. :shrug:

[femrap]

167. Not half as much as they used to.....

the thinking is Round-up by Monsanto.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

154. No..

"Women aren't the givers of life?"

Women may be the vessels that carries life but they are not the exclusive givers of life. Life is a fusing of two people male and female and *each* contains traits of the other..

Men are reminded by the hormone testosterone which unlike estrogen does *not* protect against heart disease and bone loss that we too have a place in the creation of life.

The whole "woman goddess mother rules!" thing sets gender relations back because its as absurd as 'men strong women weak' crap the other side doles out...

[Connonym]

30. misogynistic much?

[seabeyond]

31. consistently n/t

[femrap]

165. Are you another one of those RNC people

bugging us here at DU? A little rnc robot, I bet. Let me inject the males w/ estrogen and the women w/ testosterone....then we'll see who cries, OK?

Now bend over rnc robot, I got your injection right here!

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Your argument is totally specious. n/t

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[Iris]

3. so what?

what the fuck difference does it make?

[Crabby Appleton]

66. My sentiments exactly

so what.

[OzarkDem]

129. Agree, what difference does it make?

[LisaM]

5. Hmmm, men are more likely than women to sexually harrass coworkers on the job

Which would rather have in your workplace, someone who sexually harrassed or someone who cried?

http://www3.uakron.edu/lawrev/robert1.html

By the way, I have cried at work. I was going directly from work to the airport to go home for Christmas. Another employee was already gone and I was covering for her, so this wasn't even my project. Our boss insisted that we file a non-urgent document that night, and kept revising and revising it. I was afraid I was going to miss my plane, and it stressed me out so much I started crying.

[seabeyond]

7. so?... the reality is it is healthier and they can get on with it

it isnt an impairment except how others preceive it as a weakness, other than that.... so

[Quantess]

47. Exactly.

It's a man's world, though.

[CatWoman]

9. last Thursday I almost broke down crying

but instead, redirected my rage and anger on someone else.

I was completely swamped, had a crucial deadline, and this crazy woman kept emailing me about a packet she was sending down for me to take care of -- wanting me to drop what I was doing and process her paperwork immediately.

I won't go into more details, just want to say that pressure is a helluva bitch.

[Slagathor]

12. Why do you care?

I mean, it's not even a matter of allowing yourself to be affected by the petty and forgettable comings and goings of a banal existence, it's that the question itself could even be asked... why would you care? A crucial deadline? Will it cause the sun to explode? Even if missing it mean that 1000 people died, it's still not crucial in the grand scheme of things.

[rockymountaindem]

18. So you wouldn't mind the deaths of 1000 people on your head?

I find that troubling.

[Slagathor]

52. If I had cancer, I would not want a weepy oncologist

if I was in the armed forces, I would not want a weepy general. Crying at work is a huge sign of incompetence and weakness.

[mondo joe]

58. It seems you are substituting your emotional response to crying with outcomes.

If I had cancer I'd want the oncologist with the best track record of treating patients with my cancer at a similar stage who recovered.

Whether they cry or not is irrelevant. Getting the desired outcome is what matters.

[noiretextatique]

104. so...if you found out your mother died while you were at work

would you just suck it up until you got home? people have emotions, even at work. there is no reason to pretend that "being at work" somehow magically changes our nature as human beings. any definition of "professionalism" that denies human nature is nonsense.

[Slagathor]

133. No. My mother's death would not cause me to cry under any circumstances

my mother has had a marvelous life so far. I am quite happy to modify my day for her whilst she lives, but the last thing she would want me to do would be to change my schedule or habits for a corpse.

[noiretextatique]

137. my CFO's wife

died a few months ago. he cried at work, and no one considered him less of a "professional" for grieving the loss of his wife of 45 years between the hours of 9am-5pm.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

155. Straw man

Thats not what this study was addressing..

[noiretextatique]

184. strawwoman

the "study" isn't addressing anything, with a sample of "over a dozen" women.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

189. Point is:

you set up a straw, lets say, person regarding the death of a parent and set that up as disproof of this scientifically unsound sampling. Your statement neither proves or disproves anything

[noiretextatique]

191. neither does yours...you neither prove or disprove anything

since my post was directed to the iceman who claims he doesn't "show emotion" at work. it was not a refutation of this woman's non-thesis.
i was using an example of a situation that might challenge the iceman's beliefs that professionals are not humans.

[CatWoman]

19. you've got issues, don't you?

want to stay on topic here?

[Quantess]

49. Get back to us when you're 16 years old.

I'm sure you will keep sharing your wisdom with each passing year of your adolescence.

[TahitiNut]

95. In four decades in the "belly of the beast" I often wished for the catharsis of tears.

I'm a male. I cry. In private. I'm a product of a culture that said "real men don't cry." I'm a product of a culture that said "don't get mad - get even."

By and large, women have been "trained" that tears elicit support and commiseration and men have been "trained" that tears elicit disdain and avoidance. We have a culture where women are "trained" in relationships and men are "trained" in competition - where a "team" is a temproary alliance of the STRONG, not the tearful.

We have some pretty fucked-up notions of "strength."


Oh... BTW ... :hug: :loveya: melon licker!

[seabeyond]

97. ya.... n/t

[CatWoman]

188. *smooch*

:hi:

:loveya:

[bobbolink]

11. Women also live longer because they still have their emotions available to them.

Women tend not to declare was as much, because they don't cover other emotions over with anger.

TRUE equality would be men learning to cry.

[Slagathor]

15. That's just dumb

men have emotions and we show them when it will benefit us, Otherwise, we keep them to ourselves. It doesn't mean we don't have emotions or that we "repress" them. It's just that when we show them, you're not invited.

[undeterred]

20. I cry because sometimes I have to work with unfeeling assholes.

:shrug:

[Slagathor]

54. so

you didn't read my post or you didn't understand it?

[undeterred]

70. I would cry if I had to work with you, I'm certain.

:cry:

[Slagathor]

91. I've never made anyone cry

I'm friendly and professional. I work very very hard and I don't complain. I'm the guy who will always join your team, always help out. I write thank you letters on letterhead and always mention your name before my own. I'm an awesome colleague.

Part of being professional is NOT showing any sort of emotions other than a kind of bland optimism. I won't wave the flag, but I'll wear a lapel pin if it'll make you happy.

[LanternWaste]

108. Have you though about trying that here...?

"I'm friendly... "

Have you though about trying that on DU...?

[LanternWaste]

144. So then you you do actually show emotions (friendliness) at work?

"I'm friendly and professional"

So then you you do actually show emotions (friendliness) at work?

[Book Lover]

195. "I've never made anyone cry"

If you made a man cry, how could you possibly know?

[femrap]

169. Good One!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Quantess]

51. You've highlighted so eloquently the problem with teenagers,

and their belief that they know everything.

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[BlooInBloo]

116. To unthinking people, equality means no differences whatsoever.

[LanternWaste]

143. So you never invite co-workers to see you happy or joyful?

"It doesn't mean we don't have emotions or that we "repress" them. It's just that when we show them, you're not invited."

So you never invite co-workers to see you happy or joyful (emotions)? Co-workers never see you frustrated or angry? You're simply emotionally neutral regardless of the circumstances?

Or (and I find this more likely) do you believe that there are some emotions you may show and others you may not?

If the latter, what's the basis for deciding which emotions may or may not be illustrated in front of others?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

211. What an insipid post..

Women live longer than men because:

1) Estrogen protects women from early onset and acute heart disease for the first 45 years of their life

2) Men tend to be in professions which are riskier (Police / Fire / Military) at a higher rate than women

3) Men tend to be more involved in violent crime than women (at least in the US)

--

It has nothing to do with lack of emotion...

[bobbolink]

217. What an insipid, lack of logic post.

I know it may cause you a headache, but if you actually THINK it through, you might

GET IT

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

218. What color is the sky in a world

where asserting crying = factor in living longer has *anything* to do with thinking?

[bobbolink]

219. You wanted to argue, and criticise and feel superior, so I gave you the forum for doing that.

Feel better now?

Feel ever so superior?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

220. I have no desire to feel superior

But I can not let a statement as stupid as 'woman cry more thats why they live longer' without even a sniff of logic, science, or reason, to slide... Worshiping ones gender is wrong, regardless of which gender it is.

[bobbolink]

221. .

:rofl:

[avenger64]

14. They get paid less for doing the same job...

... no wonder they're crying.

[Slagathor]

16. What is this, 1974?

The differences between male and female pay are essentially trivial ones attributable to different job choices (equal pay for equal work is a manifestly idiotic and unworkable idea) and life choices. To close that final gap, perhaps more women should go into the hard sciences or work longer hours.

[tigereye]

28. actually a lot of women (and men) are still paid like it's 1974

and there are documentable gaps (improving, but still notable) between male and female pay for the same work, in a variety of professions.

[PVnRT]

94. What?

"Equal pay for equal work is a manifestly idiotic and unworkable idea..."

What the fuck kind of moronic statement is this? People SHOULDN'T be paid the same for doing the same job?

I find it hard to believe you're "enjoyable" to work with. You're probably the asshole everyone in the office hates but no one says it to your face.

[Slagathor]

100. Equal pay for equal work does not mean the same pay for the same job

it's a way of determining female vs male pay rates across different jobs. EG a janitor is the equivalent of a secretary therefore both jobs should get the same pay... if not... then perhaps there's discrimination at work. The problem is that it's a daft god damn idea.

[noiretextatique]

103. actually is does mean the same work for the same job

it also means that if a job classification is valued more or less solely because of the gender of the workers, that's also discrimination.

[Lorien]

113. Um, you have GOT to be kidding us. You really believe that?

Is that some cockeyed explanation that Rush came up with to justify discrimination?

Equal pay for equal work means that a janitor who is a woman gets paid THE SAME AMOUNT that a janitor who is a man gets paid. A secretary who is a man GETS EQUAL PAY for doing the EXACT same job that a female secretary does. It's apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

[Slagathor]

131. I don't think you understand the terms properly

equal pay for equal work "means that male-dominated occupations and female-dominated occupations of comparable value must be paid the same if within the same employer." (Wikipedia).

Obviously, d'uh, the same exact same jobs have to have more or less the same pay based on seniority, working conditions etc.

[Gormy Cuss]

147. No, you're the one who doesn't understand the terms.

"Equal pay for equal work" applies both within the same occupation and between two substantial equivalent (though not identical) jobs. The Equal Pay Act set out this framework.


http://www.eeoc.gov/types/epa.html

[Book Lover]

101. on edit: nevermind

Why argue with someone whose very nick is a slur against women...

[Lorien]

110. Sorry, but you are totally wrong here

I worked at a fortune 500 corporation (one of the largest in America) that routinely pays women significantly less for the VERY SAME JOBS. For instance; starting salrary in one position that I worked at was $25 and hour for women, $45 and hour for men. When I came on board I was given $35 and hour because I had far more experience, talent and credentials than anyone on their staff (I should have started in a higher position, but that was all that was available at the time). Four months into the job one of my fellow female workers found out that I was making more than any other woman there and she made an issue of it. When I found out about the huge salary gap between the genders I raised hell about it. Fortunately I had very powerful people at the top of the corporate ladder on my side and I was given "male pay"-but none of my very capable female coworkers were afforded the same consideration.

I suppose that there could have been a class action lawsuit, but anyone working for that corporation knows that the little guy will ALWAYS lose in a legal battle with them.

[Boo Boo]

17. Men spend more time at work running amok with an assault rifle. /nt

[Scout]

24. i know i shouldn't really be laughing, but i am, out loud

thank you very much

:hi:

[femrap]

172. Another good one!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Lex]

22. Crying is a healthy release. Why do you think men stroke out & have

heart attacks in greater numbers than women?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

212. Because men dont have estrogin

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7788912

but yea, crying is way more likely..

[Scout]

23. the only times i've been anywhere close to crying at work

were when i was really, really, angry and/or frustrated

that's the only acceptable way, really, that women are allowed to express anger

[seabeyond]

25. you are just too nice. some of us women have learned to express in more aggressive

ways, without worry lol. i let that girls are always nice crap fall along the roadside.

;-)

[varelse]

26. When I started snapping back at people and standing up to them

that's when I stopped breaking down and crying at work. It was always suppressed rage that came out as tears, which are seen as a weakness to be even further exploited. Stopped the tears from flowing, and I stopped their bullying behaviour at the same time. I do have to concern myself with the opposite problem, which is that I could be the cause of someone else's tears, what with the new attitude and all... if I'm not careful.

[raccoon]

64. Exactly--women often cry when they're angry, because they've been

taught since childhood it's ok for little girls to cry, not ok for little girls to get angry.

Men have usually been taught the very opposite.

[varelse]

106. Yup

Things sure improved for me when I deconditioned myself, too...

[NC_Nurse]

27. I've cried at my work. I have watched people I had gotten to know die...

I have taken care of dying children, held the hands of cancer patients, stood with families whose parents or children or siblings were dying.
If I didn't cry, I wouldn't be human.

[seabeyond]

32. you woman you.....

:hug:

[NC_Nurse]

158. That's me.

:o :hug:

[seabeyond]

163. lol

i was reading another thread and something so sad, brought tears. i was clear to say thank god i am a woman so i can cry..... lol.

[NC_Nurse]

164. .

Really! If only most people realized how much BETTER it is to have that permission! :-)

[seabeyond]

177. you're funny n/t

[Chovexani]

41. Thank you so much for the work you do.

I have nothing but the utmost love and respect for nurses. I've got a family full of them (mom is an RN who works dialysis) and it's a thankless job that is rewarding but also comes with a lot of heartache.

Thank you for doing what you do. :hug:

[NC_Nurse]

160. Thanks for recognizing what we do.

:hug:

[marions ghost]

76. I have seen male doctors cry or at least get choked up

at times. The medical profession often is thought to be the most callous. You do have to be able to function no matter what the situation. But the very best medical people are the ones who don't repress their feelings all the time, IMO.

[seabeyond]

82. my doctor did when talking about his brotehr that had just recently killed himself

was he NOT allowed? isnt that a silly rule

[NC_Nurse]

162. I agree. Who wants a robot for a doc?

Not me.

[devilgrrl]

33. SFW?

:cry:

[RamboLiberal]

34. Yeah, I've cried at work - hasn't happened often

thank goodness but it's happened. With me it's when I've been blindsided by some unfeeling coworker or boss with something I didn't deserve criticism for or someone who I'd never expected it from has gone in to a rage with me.

And it will hit me for the rest of the day. I've done the bathroom hideout, or have walked out of the building.

It's not a crying jag with me but I can't stop the tears from flowing.

And I've also understood the rage that could lead someone to punch or do worse to that person that caused the anger. But I've also fortunately rationalized that it will pass or that an angry physical reaction is not worth losing my job or going to jail over.

I think it's something in the physical/emotional makeup for many of we females. I don't see it as a weakness.

[treestar]

35. I say "So what?"

Having a good cry leaves them stronger than men who cannot acknowledge their feelings.

BFD. Crying on the job does not mean you can't do it. It means, in fact, perhaps, that you realize the truth of what is happening, rather then trying to be delusional and pretend the bad things are not happening.

[Evoman]

36. I'm a man and I came close to crying at work last month. But that was because I had a kidney stone.

I actually did cry a little at the hospital, while begging for some morphine.

First time in 15 or so years..hehe.

[femrap]

173. I've seen men cry when their precious

truck was dented....and not shed a tear when their mom died.

Creepy, huh?

[seabeyond]

175. are you kidding.... footie footie football brings out the tears with MEN

bah hahahahaha. their woman walks on them, loses their job, kid divorces them and stolid, but.... win or lose they tear up and gush out over footie footie football.

[femrap]

182. And N. Carolina Basketball! nt

[Missy Vixen]

37. I was the Iron Woman at the office

I would do anything to keep from crying. It was "unprofessional". I was interested in NCNurse's comments, because I worked for a home IV infusion therapy company years ago. (Oddly enough, the company I formerly worked for has been in the news over the last couple of days, at least in Chicago...) We lost patients almost every day, because we got the sickest of the sickest. As a result, those who cried when patients died were roundly mocked.

Those who didn't stuff their emotions typically didn't last long there.

Julie

[Indenturedebtor]

38. No doubt it's unprofessional

I don't want to deal with other peoples emotions AT ALL at work. I'm not there to make friends I'm there to complete tasks and to get paid. Go cry in the bathroom if you need to, go take a walk and cool down, I don't care. But don't create a disruption with crying.


This is not directed at you Julie. I just don't think that there's much room at work for crying. Now as soon as that workbell rings the close of day do whatever the hell you want... cry on break whatever.

[EFerrari]

44. Maybe you should find a nice job among robots

because people, gasp, have emotions!

[raccoon]

65. Then I guess shouting at another co-worker or someone lower on the food chain than you

is also a no-no?

[Lance_Boyle]

71. absolutely it is

overt displays of emotion do not belong in the workplace. anger and grief alike. keep them to yourself. they make other people uncomfortable, and create a hostile work environment. that said, i'd rather work a lifetime with R. Lee Ermey shouting at me than work one minute with a cryer.

[raccoon]

75. Shouting and bullying SHOULDN'T be acceptable in the workplace, but

IME, I've seen and experienced a lot of it. And heard of a lot of it from others too.

Sadly, it's not frowned on as much as crying in the workplace. Wonder why? :sarcasm:

[Lance_Boyle]

79. neither should be tolerated

a person yelling (in anger) or a person crying in the workplace should be asked to step away and compose themselves. If incapable of that, they should be sent home.

[mondo joe]

78. Hm. I've worked with wonderful people who have had emotional moments.

On the other hand I've worked with a couple of people who cry almost daily and use it to bully and manipulate others.

My experience is that emotion is like anything else at work - you can manage it well or not.

[Lance_Boyle]

80. precisely - if by "manage it well" you mean

"don't viciously excoriate people or cry at work." ;-)

[LanternWaste]

112. Like laughter?

"...overt displays of emotion do not belong in the workplace"

Like laughter? Because laughter is, without any doubts, a very overt display of emotion.

[LanternWaste]

111. two options when a patient passed-- cry or laugh

I worked in an outpatient cancer center for about five years and was told when I first came on board that as an employee, I'd have two options when a patient passed-- cry or laugh. I thought I'd be a big, tough, macho-guy and deny everything.

But sure enough, after the first patient I had gotten close to passed, I went on a crying jag in the bathroom for 30 minutes (I still remember her name, and the exact date and time it happened). And I learned that it really was a choice between either callous humor or despondent crying for most of us there.

Many evening when I got home and my room mate and I were getting ripped on cheap beer, I'd start making The Worst Jokes about the patients and the center to deal with it all. For the longest time, he thought I was a real jerk, but over time he realized that callous humor and distasteful jokes were just a release-- not a cause of who I was, but an affect of where I worked.

The staff was great. We'd always look the other way and give a co-worker space if it looked like he/she was about to lose it for whatever reason. I miss those people :)

[EFerrari]

42. She's interviewed TWELVE women?

:rofl:

Beth: UC Davis Professor Spends Too Much Energy On Small Sample.

[Gormy Cuss]

135. But it was 100% of the sample who admitted crying... that's important. isn't it?

:rofl:

I don't think the prof spent too much time. I think the author of the press release spent too little time on the details. Maybe these women are Carly Fiorina types, at the top of the food chain and expected to look cool and collected at all times. That would be an interesting though not generalizable finding.

[Chovexani]

43. I have cried at work.

Probably the worst time was when I worked customer service for a big credit card company. I was never anything except polite, courteous and professional, and I always did my best to help the customer.

I took more verbal abuse in those four months than I have before or since. I remember one day, there were like six calls in a row with completely irate, frothing at the mouth sorts. I was called every kind of stupid bitch and fucking whore (funny how these things always turn misogynist). After the last call, in which I told a customer he was not eligible for a lower interest rate and he proceeded to tell me that he wished I got cancer and lost my home, I unplugged my headset, left my cube, had a panic attack and cried in the ladies room for about 15 minutes.

Getting laid off from that place was the best thing that ever happened to me.

[JVS]

45. I hate it when people cry at work.

And no, I don't work anywhere where people have much of an excuse to cry ( Like NCNurse was talking about, which I totally understand how people could cry). We're here, we have a job to do, let's do it. If you feel sad, then take a break and leave your emotional baggage at the door.

[Quantess]

46. Why does Kimberly Elsbach assume crying is "an enormous burden" for women?

Maybe it's just one of many of our (womens') ways of dealing with stress.

So what, I cry easily.

[Matariki]

50. I cried yesterday after reading the transcript of the Obama speech

JUST as one of my male co-workers came to my desk and proceeded to ask me over and over - 'are you crying?' - 'are you okay?' - 'why are you crying?' - etc.

sheesh. I nearly screamed at him to shut the fuck up already.

And I was a total fucking mess at work during the Katrina aftermath.

[alarimer]

59. I've cried because I work with a bunch of fucking assholes

and they just piss me off so much there is nothing else I can do. What I REALLY want to say to them would get me fired. So I cry. So what.

And I cry because I HATE my job. Again, what else am I supposed to do?

[Slagathor]

62. Quit your job and get a new job

or come to terms with the fact that you either can't or don't want to go through the process and simply disengage. The only one who has the power to make you upset at work is you. Other people don't own your emotions.

[Book Lover]

68. Slagathor,

have you noticed how you yelling at people has not yet won you any friends, compatriots, or even defenders here? You might do better with a little honey.

[undeterred]

72. Slagathor needs a cage.

[mondo joe]

77. Slag might be okay. He's just having a highly emotional response to the act of crying, which

seems to have greatly diminished his capacity to discuss the matter in a logical way.

[undeterred]

81. So he's all stuffed up emotionally speaking.

Let it out Slag, have a good cry. :grouphug:

[Slagathor]

87. My point stands

the only person who has the ability to hurt your feelings is YOU. People can say or do whatever they want, but they can't force you to care.

[seabeyond]

90. you are right on. a person can give it, .... but i would have to take/accept

and i have the power to not accept.

you are right on with that

it is very much how i live life in so many areas (cant quite swing it all parts of life) AND IT IS A VERY HEALTHY WAY TO be. (didnt mean caps).

[mondo joe]

109. You seem to think crying is a negative. Why is that?

[Slagathor]

134. Because it's weak and childish (nt)

[noiretextatique]

138. you are silly...crying is an expression of emotion

sadness, fear, anger, happiness, grief, frustration, etc. all emotions that HUMANS experience, even when they work. it's really telling that you characterize emotion as weakness.

[seabeyond]

146. my kids have never seen me cry (sad) but... when someone does something loving

beautiful, kindness... that brings me to tears. joy.

kids think it is the silliest of things. they also are proud, think a lot of it.

i am never sad, cant remember (when mom died) that i cried out of sadness, anger whatever. i wonder if it is counted the same.

[Gormy Cuss]

139. No, it's an appropriate response in order to release certain emotions.

Grief, frustration, anger among others. What's childish is expecting adults to have no emotional response ever in the workplace, or to tolerate only emotional venting in more caustic ways like yelling, swearing, and slamming fists.

[lukasahero]

141. Are you still here?

Yawn.

[mondo joe]

171. You are having a highly emotional response to a normal human occurrence.

It is clouding your ability to think rationally.

[noiretextatique]

145. because his is a "professional"

and professionals don't show any emotion, according to him.

[femrap]

176. May I have the key??? nt

[Echo In Light]

73. Wage Slaves, one and all. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

[mondo joe]

61. I love my job; I'm a man; I've cried at work and have no shame about it.

Also, this "study" is ridiculous - she talked to something more than a DOZEN women? What the fuck kind of sample is that?

[lukasahero]

136. I love my job, I'm a woman and I've never cried at work because of work

I feel the need to make the distinction - yes, I've cried at work upon receiving the news of a friend's death (Alarcojon to be precise) but have never cried at work about work. I've been snarky, snippy, angry, bashful, happy and dopey but weepy, not so much.

That said, I have gone home and completely lost it due to the bullying, abusive behavior of a particular co-worker.

And thanks for pointing out the extensive sample used in this study. What kind of toad presents this as a valid scientific study?

[RadiationTherapy]

150. It's not about shame.

But if your crying interrupted my day/flow, I would be irritated.

It all depends, of course; we all live complex lives that spill over here and there.

[mondo joe]

181. I mostly agree with you. In very tight interactive teams, there's a

closeness I don't think you usually see at work. Sometimes you end up sharing more of a personal face than in other work settings.

I'm not okay with crying (or any other outburst) interrupting the day/flow. But sometimes not just getting it out is more of a disruption.

Example: Someone I work with very closely last week seemed off. I asked if she was feeling okay, and she told me she got some bad personal news and cried a little bit, as she was telling me. Then I understood where she was coming from that day and that helped us to work better together that day. It didn't hurt my day or hers for her to cry.

I will also say I've seen people use crying to manipulate and bully others, same as yelling or other outbursts. I'm never okay with that.

[sweetpotato]

67. Workplace bullies, harassment, frustration, anger, exhaustion

All of these things have caused me to cry at work.

I worked directly under the supervision of one who was an alcoholic bully of the highest magnitude. I stayed because I needed the job desperately to support myself and shopaholic ex-husband. At the time, there were not many of these jobs available in my area, so I held out until I could find other work. But until then, my workday life was a living hell. And horribly frustrating because I had no support at home, either.

I was working 70 hour weeks with no days off. And being harassed and bullied and basically made a scapegoat for everything that went awry, even if I had nothing to do with it.

It was a horrible time in my life, and yes, I cried at work. Not proud of it, but this kind of environment will do it to you.

If you've never been bullied day after day on the job, then you cannot understand it.

[Echo In Light]

69. Traditionally {propaganda}, it's socially acceptable for women to express the spectrum of emotion

Where as men are still, again, in accordance with "traditional" {social instruction} gender standards and propaganda, are not allowed to do this as openly without misogynistic backlash i.e. human emotion being equated with the feminine, "don't be such a GIRL!" etc

So in the profits over people corporate world, at this point I would image a slight turn in the tables is inevitable: begin the side swipes at women for being "too emotional."

Translation = be more like men {repressed, resulting in greater hostility, aggression}

[krabigirl]

83. I think women - and men, if they want - should not have to hide tears at any time.

I never did well in the corporate world...couldn't hide my emotions enough for them.

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

86. Still here, Adolf? I thought the mods would have TSed your Nazi ass by now

[El Pinko]

98. Women are lucky.

I probably cry about once a year tops. There are many times when I wish I could cry. I kind of feel like it, but it just doesn't happen.

There is something very healthy and cleansing about a good cry.

I've never seen my female co-workers crying about work at work. I have seen them get weepy when someone retires or soemthing like that, but not because they lost an invoice or something.

I don't really feel all that emotional about what goes on at work. But what goes on at home is nother story altogether.

But I guess men are just not wired to cry easily...

[Echo In Light]

192. It's not in the hard wiring, but environmental conditioning - neg/pos "punishments/rewards"

[El Pinko]

199. Maybe, but I still think hormones must have a lot to do with it.

A woman's emotional state can be affected by her cycle (hormones).

In my case, I've noticed it's a lot easier for me to cry if I've had a few driinks or if I'm watching a sad movie (as opposed to crying over something directly related to my own life).

It's an interesting topic.

At any rate, I don't think crying at work should be approached as a negative - that's one of our culture's idiocies - to associate crying with weakness or something bad.

I personally consider tears to be a beautiful and profound thing, and if there is a God, they are one of his gifts.

[Echo In Light]

201. Well, it's the interpretation of the socially pos/neg that determines standards

That's much more of an encompassing ideal that drives either gender into fulfilling specific social roles, gender roles, behavior, choice, what to love, what to hate, what to find attractive, what constitutes love or romance, etc.


Men and women are much more alike than they are different. Both are, in a sense, as human beings, sentient beings in a constant flux of a perpetual emotion state of one stripe or another. How they express or suppress that state of being is, again, more so determined by deeply ingrained cultural perceptions and expectations, many of which, at this point on our species' path collectively, remain in the residual shadow of an earlier, more Puritanical time. In fact it's been argued that much of the "success" of early American democracy rested with this very type of people's inner religious discipline {read in that what you will, haha} which naturally translates and spills over into every other area of the collective consciousness. When the state cannot control by force, propaganda {thought control/brainwashing}, and it's various machinations, becomes the primary leverage tools power/elites uses to control the society.

Personally, I perceive the bulk of these problems as stemming from a major top-down masculinity-identity dilemma ... which is so great nowadays that plenty of women are, as can be seen across the pop culture landscape, likewise impacted, geared toward assimilation/exaltation of ridiculous macho stereotypes and affectation. {should be noted that there are great differences between masculinity and machismo: one is healthy, one is posturing}

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

214. Women and Men have a totally different set of hormones

[notadmblnd]

99. They should have studied me.

anger and helplessness over a situation always triggered crying for me. Funny though, at home, laughter was always triggered by anger. I can remember being so angry at my child for things that he'd done that all I could do was laugh hysterically.

Someday, I'll have to tell you all about the time he "axed" the spray paint can or the time he stole one of my nieces Christmas gifts (thong underwear) and gave them to a girl he liked.

[noiretextatique]

105. i cried at work after my father and sister died

and when i found out i had breast cancer. other than that, i have made other people cry at work, usually because i called them on their bullshit.

[BlooInBloo]

114. But women cry EVERYWHERE more than men do. So what?

[Lorien]

118. And I've seen men go into screaming rages at work too

our culture dictates that it's acceptable and "manly" for a man to react to very bad news or frustration with fury, while rage in a woman is seen as a huge negative. Women are taught that crying is OK, but boys are told that only 'sissies" cry. I've worked with women who would fly into rages and men who would cry, and they often caught a lot of shit for not letting off steam in the gender appropriate manner.

[BlooInBloo]

120. Yes, we all know this Lorien. That's why I said "so what?"

[Lorien]

125. It was a general statement. My reaction also is "so what"?

different genders= different cultural demands, that was the only point I was making. I was NOT insulting you or your commentary in any way.

[BlooInBloo]

126. Oh. Well ok then. :)

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

215. Different geners = different hormones

and differing brain structure... but yea Im sure its all cultural..

[ismnotwasm]

119. OH for pete's sake

I'm not a crying women, but I bet I can make a grown man cry. Sheeit.

And I bet men lie about crying and I bet women don't.

[BlooInBloo]

123. Or maybe - GASP - men and women just differ that way.

[RadiationTherapy]

148. No. Most men do not cry nearly as often as most women.

There was a great interview on NPR with a female to male trans who, after taking the hormone therapy for a while, found it harder to cry. Even when he wanted to, he found it physically difficult.

Making other people cry is easy; no props there.

[BlooInBloo]

121. Is this the same prof who published the study on short people...

... asking taller people to get things from up high more often?

[uppityperson]

127. Working men scratch their balls more on job than women (article here)

"Professional" men spend a significant amount of time and effort scratching their gonads on the job: They usually don't care to run out of a meeting, hole up in an office with the door closed or hide in a bathroom stall until the itching stops, according to Kimberly Elsbach, professor of management at the University of California, Davis, Graduate School of Management.

"It's an enormous burden men have that women don't have," says Elsbach, who is several months into a study of scratching in the workplace. "Women typically don't scratch as often as men, and don't have to spend as much energy scratching on the job."

Most previous research has focused on the reasons people scratch and the impact of scratching on their health and well-being. Elsbach, a specialist in organizational behavior, is among the first researchers to explore the professional consequences of scratching on the job.

She has conducted interviews with more than a dozen "professional" men so far. "Every man had scratched at work -- most said they had never gone to great pains to hide it," she said. Previous research has found that across cultures, men are more likely than women to scratch due to frustration, stress and anger, or in response to criticism. Existing research also suggests that scratching is perceived more positively if it is viewed as sincere rather than manipulative, and if it seems justified -- in response to bullying, for example...

[Javaman]

142. ...

:spray: :rofl:

Damn you! now I need a new screen!! LOLOLOL

on edit: "Existing research also suggests that scratching is perceived more positively if it is viewed as sincere rather than manipulative, and if it seems justified"

I reread that line and cracked up all over again!!! :rofl:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[uppityperson]

186. You are welcome.

I almost changed that line but it was too good. I like to change sex sometimes, see what sense it makes. I mean in stuff that's written.

[Caretha]

210. That's the best!

Now I don't feel like I wasted all that time reading this post. :rofl:

Thanks I needed that, I was having a V-8 moment till I read yours.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

151. Why does this suprise anyone?

Testosterone does funny things to guys they, in general, cry less than women...

A study saying men lash out verbally more often would be equally unimpressive... how much did we pay for this?

[slackmaster]

166. That doesn't mean we don't feel as much pain as women

:cry:

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

170. Never said it does

we just react to it differently

[slackmaster]

178. I've seen some very interesting videos from child development research

In one of them, researchers placed a very young child (barely of walking age) on one side of a plexiglas wall and the child's mother on the other side.

The mom would backon the child to come to her, and hilarity would ensue.

In almost every case, the girls would crash into the plexiglas, then sit down and cry.

The boys would crash into the plexiglas, then beat on it with their fists or start kicking it.

[seabeyond]

180. interesting. i have watched those. always interesting.

[seabeyond]

174. i think it is more conditioned out of boys than testosterone

talking. personally. raising two boys and allowing them to cry when they had a need, never saying quit crying like a girl or any of the other stupid things, i have watched my oldest starting about 5th grade feel shame with tears adn now about 7th has it controlled where he wont cry. i am about hte only one he will now cry in front of and regardless of how i tell him it is safe, he still feels a shame.

[slackmaster]

179. I agree

It's mostly conditioning with boys. A five-year-old of either gender may cry at the slightest thing. By age 8 or 10 boys have been pretty much shamed into not doing it.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

190. Yea it cant be hormones

as concentrations of testosterone skyrocket Im sure there would be no effect..

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

183. Kids are slightly different than adults

The hormonal differences between a boy, say 5-10, and a man are *huge* and do have a large effect on how they react to stimuli. No doubt some social factors matter I bet if we traced a curve with your sons shed tears versus testosterone concentration they would be inversely proportional..

As a man I cant explain it to you, there is a deep primal need not to show that vulnerability..

[seabeyond]

185. you know

as i was reading i was also picturing the line on the curve you talk of with my son, hmmmm ......

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

187. People get fooled when they try to

take a part of an object and treat it alone without the rest of the system. I was taken in by the same thing in a psych course till my mother (nurse) set me straight..

Hormonally a 5yo boy is not much different from a 5yo girl, there are some slight differences but its minimal. when I was young my only sibling close in age was my sister (23 mos older) so when she got a doll I wanted one and my parents indulged me they never told me no boys play with X they just let me have fun with my sister. My other siblings were mostly boys who played football when they were young and the one girl among them was herself a bit of a tomboy.

Well as I hit 12 it was like someone hit a switch, all of the sudden I started joining sports teams and I grew 8 inches over the course of about 6 months.. Hormones, not environment, changed me. Same thing happened years earlier to my older sister she became fare more feminine during her HS years..

Men and women share the same emotional makeup but in different proportions. A man who is unable to cry is a sad individual, a man who will only cry around his spouse / family or alone is pretty normal. What makes my wife cry boils rage in me same base feeling (hurt pain) with different emotional manifestations

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

193. Ive seen enough of your thoughts to know

You're a super mom! Some people just end up different, the fact he will cry in front of you speaks volumes for how safe you make him feel! You cant explain away what he is feeling, its primal at the core of what most men have to live with every day and in time he will internalize into himself in a healthy way.

Funny thing is Im very musical, great movie scores or some old classics move me emotionally so much that were I alone I would cry. When my wife and I watch movies occasionally I will well up. She teases me about it (she know shes the only one who could) but she understands how much I trust her to do that.

I remember being 8 and having a county fair goldfish get sick on me I sat up with him all night crying because I could see him dying (a 10 cent fish)... Recently we had to give up our cats of ten years because Angel #2 seems to be allergic, I was cut 70 times more deeply thins time but I did not shed a tear, though if at the time I was asked to talk about how I feel I may not have held back. Something in men screams *not here, not now*

--

uggg speaking of angel #2 she, unlike her sister at 18 months, loves to draw on the walls.... gotta run c/ya

[seabeyond]

209. i love your stories

i appreciate your posts. anytime i hear a guy actually talk in a serious (not ego) way, .... i really appreciate it. with things happening in this house, boys everywhere, i have been thinking a lot about this very stuff. your posts gave me things to think about since i read last night

my husband is the same with musicals ect... further guys arent suppose to like them so it is a hidden pleasure, but i know more guys that like the my fair lady and other classics.

[Echo In Light]

194. Exactly. When studying existence, environment reveals a great deal

[El Pinko]

200. I personally feel no shame to cry,

But it just doesn't happen to me much.

I remember when my grandfather died when I was age 9. I felt deeply ashamed because I could NOT cry. My younger brother and mom cried their eyes out, but I just didn't really feel much of anything about it.


I was crazy about my Grandma and when she died when I was 27, I didn't cry then either. I miss her, though.

I wish I had been able to cryat those times. Not having done so makes me feel like I must be some sort of reptilian automaton.

[Dr Fate]

152. And while we are discussing bodily fluids, men jerk off at work more than women. n/t

n/t

[devilgrrl]

153. What's the matter with you broads? Didn't you know that only W is allowed to cry at work?

Geeee, chicks these days....

[femrap]

156. I know!!!!

Let's give every woman who works outside the home with males a big, fat injection of testosterone every morning before she reaches her desk/work station!!!

She might grow a beard, but she won't cry anymore....that's for sure!

Or maybe give the males a big, fat shot of estrogen & progesterone....then they can have a fabulous emotional release and cleansing with a good old fashioned cry!

I wish more people would cry...it shows they still have some feelings in this violent and oppressive country.

[slackmaster]

168. No Shit, Sherlock!

Or "Thank you, ObviousMan!"

[PeaceNikki]

197. Put the same social and professional barriers in front of men and they'd be blubbering fools

Seriously.

[PeaceNikki]

203. I'd like to address the point of WHY this woman has cried at work

First, I'll qualify this by saying that in my 15 years in the business world I can count on one hand the number of times I've been in tears on the job.

Secondly, it's always been behind closed doors.

And finally, the only REASON I've ever cried was because, as a woman, I was held to a very different set of unfair social and professional standards on the job. I am a strong woman with strong opinions and therefore expected to fluff my opinions with niceties and placate others as to not appear a "demanding bitch". While same actions/opinions/behavior that led to reprimands to me would be lauded as strong and a "go-getter attitude" if I'd had a penis.

Yes, I've cried at work. And I might do it again.

[dsc]

207. I cried once at work, it was this year

about 30 people showed up for the second gay straight alliance meeting and I just lost control. All the emotions of growing up gay and feeling alone came back all at once and I just ran to the lounge and cried for a few minutes. I was still in tears most of the way home that day.

[SteelPenguin]

208. Bullshit Study

Wow, she's interviewed more than 12 women so far (13? 14?)...Good thing she's talking about it and publishing stuff. Solid science there. Good show.

:sarcasm:

[kevinbgoode]

216. I'd cry more often too. . .

if I was a woman working in a subservient position under a bunch of middle aged, married Republican men who, when not showing me pictures of their families and talking about their churches, would be asking me out for a "drink" after work. . .

[EndElectoral]

222. Bs study..women generally cry more. IF you got lower wages for same work, you'd cry too.

[librechik]

223. ...or need to n/t

[Geek_Girl]

225. My boss has a terribly tragic life

Sometimes I go in the bathroom and cry after he's told me some horrible news. And there have been a few times do to stress mostly that I have cried.

[fizzgig]

226. i cried in the bathroom at my old job more than a few times

and there were a few times where i just did it at my desk...that was not a terribly uncommon thing for some women in my office