What do you consider men who use a prostitute?

[madinmaryland]

"upstanding citizens who made a mistake"

:grr:

[Darth_Kitten]

1. Any dude who dumps sperm in some paid skank ain't going to dump....

it in me. :mad:

I don't think these guys are success stories. They probably can't please their long-suffering wives in bed.

[madinmaryland]

8. $5,000 to do it.

Success? What a fucking loser!

:hi:

[madokie]

15. and if they were then there would be no reason to go out

if all it was was a wham bam and a thank you mam after a while if I was a wife I would loose interest too. The only ones who don't like sex is those who are being used and not the active participants

[Darth_Kitten]

38. I say it's hightime the gals got some decent lovin'..........

so sick and tired of hearing of men's needs. :)

[Greyhound]

107. Thank you for setting the equal rights movement back about 90 years.

You are the reason there is a "world's oldest profession".

[Darth_Kitten]

126. LOL.......oh really. You don't understand people very well, huh?

You obviously don't know women. Perception is SO over-rated? :sarcasm:

No, I'm not the "reason" men screw around and hurt their wives, honey. But I'm sure you are the type who just tries to blame innocent people for everything, huh? Sad. VERY sad.

Thanks for the laugh though.

[Greyhound]

161. Well as a reasonably attractive, always single, heterosexual man

I have quite a bit of experience with a very wide variety of women. Models, performers, athletes, politicians, executives, professionals, from just about every occupation and socio-economic strata you can think of, and they don't share your opinion, they all love(d) me and I them (with a couple of exceptions).

None of them would use the term you used, nor make a blanket judgment as you have done. They tend to be secure in themselves and don't look for others to blame for what happens to them as you apparently do.

BTW, though I have known a few, I have never found it necessary to procure the services of a prostitute, but having encountered a few women like you appear to be, I can certainly understand the necessity and popularity they enjoy.

[Cerridwen]

110. Skank?! Skank?! Wassamatter, honey, can't get five grand for what's between

your legs?

Skank?!

How very, er, "progressive" of you. Guess they don't have prostitution or prostitutes in Canada, eh?

Oh, let me guess, you're one of those "long-suffering wives", right? Here's a hint for you...swallow.

P.S. Bet this doesn't come near a DUzy no matter how funny.

[Darth_Kitten]

127. Gawd, another person who likes to project.

Funny how there are always those who want to defend guys who cheat on their wives. hmmmmm. Some people just are so used to making excuses for everybody they can't stop. LOL

No, you don't understand me, honey dear. You don't even understand that you aren't very funny.
Please project onto those nearer and closer to you, they deserve it more. :eyes:

P.S. No, no long suffering wife, dear. Guess you can't read people very well. And try working on the humour.

[seabeyond]

141. firstly the ever present if we dont appreciate the whore, we are ugly, jealous, asexual

a prude.

secondly, .... if we are progressive we must appreciate, value and respect the sex trade

another way for men to control female in a manipulative and controlling manner and i say fuck that shit

[ingac70]

2. Losers who can't get a woman off...

so they have to pay someone to pretend to enjoy being with them.

[raccoon]

129. Or they are too lazy, selfish, or ignorant to make the effort. nt

[AlCzervik]

3. Freepers, no way do they not have to pay for sex.

:D

[napi21]

4. Being a guy. I gotta tell ya, I'd rather have my husband go to a prostitute

than have an affair with someone he met. Most of the time, men go to prostitutes because their wife/partner won't do what they're looking for. At least they usually don't "fall in love" with the pro like they do in an affair.

[Darth_Kitten]

9. Poor, poor guys.....having such unfeeling, unimaginative wives.......

cheating is cheating, period.

[madinmaryland]

21. Yes. CHEATING IS CHEATING. Trust is the word.

[napi21]

36. There are LOTS of wives who cheat too! Believe me, the influx of women into the workforce

has equalized things on the cheating score.

[Darth_Kitten]

40. well, yeah........

:)

[defendandprotect]

52. No -- there is no comparable industry to the prostitution of females ----

nor the worldwide rounding up of females for sexual exploitation ---
sex rings --

[napi21]

87. I didn't say the women were using prostitutes, I said they were cheating!

If you look at thestatement I was answering, you'd see that that poster was talking about men cheating.

[ingac70]

17. Prostitutes carry disease.

If my hubby had an affair, I'd just divorce him. If he had sex with a hooker I'd kill him for endangering my health.

[Warpy]

46. Depends on the hooker

and even crank whores on the street try to use condoms all the time unless business is slow and they're really Jonesing.

Tarts who troll for businessmen at the local Ramada Inn or equivalent chain hotel are more likely to protect his health and theirs.

[ingac70]

72. Condoms don't protect from everything...

they are still skank nasty and at higher risk for communicable diseases.

[madinmaryland]

88. Are you speaking from experience here?

:wtf:

[Warpy]

151. What a nasty thing to say to someone.

Are you proud of that post?

[madinmaryland]

86. And who gave them that disease.

:grr:

And why

[ingac70]

90. They do it to themselves...

'cause most of them have drug habits that normal jobs won't feed.
I've no sympathy for hookers or johns.

[youthere]

137. so do other woman..for me, it wouldn't have to be a prostitute..

If I found out he was "dipping his wick" in any other candle, we would be through.

[youthere]

136. Being a woman I'd rather have my husband do neither...

But if my only choices are either him falling in love with someone else (and exposing me to disease) OR exposing me to a greater risk of disease while draining our finances and potentially publicly humiliating our kids..I'd prefer the affair. Either way he's going to find his ass dumped because there are somethings that are a total deal breaker for me, and cheating is one of them.

[seabeyond]

143. ao a husband would then rather his wife go to male prostitute to get what she wants? n/t

[OmahaBlueDog]

5. Dumb

There are tons of well documented reasons men cheat. I'm not here to defend or attack cheaters. Hookers, OTOH, have a lot of downside:

1. STDs (which you can then bring home)
2. Blackmail potential (I'm not just talking pols -- the "badger game" is one of the oldest rackets going)
3. Jail/arrest
4. Very decent chance of going in for sex, and coming out robbed

[madinmaryland]

24. Dumb reply. Why do you think women have those issues.

MEN

[OmahaBlueDog]

33. Sorry, I misunderstood the question....

[DURHAM D]

6. bored

[mondo joe]

7. I don't think much of anything about prostitutes or their customers, provided all

parties are consenting adults.

[OmahaBlueDog]

11. I'd agree it should be legal and regulated

...like in Europe


and we should have national health care

... like in Europe


and we should have better, cheaper high speed rail

...like in Europe

and we should have legal, regulated, highly taxed Marijuana

...like in Europe

[madinmaryland]

32. Yes, National Health Care,

public transportation, and sensible drug laws absolutely make sense.

The exploitation of women, I have a problem with. Is it consensual? In most cases no.

[pfitz59]

124. I agree with you!

If a man or a woman is willing to sell their bodies to the highest bidder, so what? Pimping, pandering and paedophila should be outlawed, not sex between consenting adults! BTW - screw the Mann Act! Should apply to minors only! Not adults! This country has its priorities bassackwards!

[jwirr]

10. Weak.

[Yavin4]

12. There Are Many Reasons Why Men Use Prostitutes

And, it's not because they're losers. A lot of marriages don't work, or the couple simply stops having sex.


Ever read Dan Savage's sex advice columns? He advises his married readers to go to a pro if their sex life is in the dumps.

[safeinOhio]

19. Many reasons

Truth is it's not a black and white issue. Not all men are married. How many men pay while the wife is out cheating for free? How many just make a bad one time mistake? Why does money make it as bad as when money isn't involved?

[raccoon]

131. "Why does money make it as bad as when money isn't involved?"

Thank you!

And a person can get an STD from someone they didn't pay.

I'd rather prostitution be legalized than some guy coerce/pressure a woman he's dating into sex.

[uppityperson]

29. Thank you for the post. There are many reasons.

Some negative, some not. There are many reasons people do all sorts of things and I can't, I won't, pass judgement on someone else based on my own relationship or life experiences except to say there are many reasons.

[defendandprotect]

50. But then the question is . . . why prostitutes and not affairs . . . ???

One requires time and attention ---
the other, simply $$$ ---

[mondo joe]

53. Why buy a loaf of bread instead of making one?

Because it's fast and easy and simple, and sometimes that's preferable.

[defendandprotect]

65. Right -- but only one gender is enjoying that kind of ready made bread . . .

women also require something "fast and easy and simple" ---
I'm sure there are many times when they'd find it "preferable" ---

[mondo joe]

69. Men and women are similar in many ways, and different in some.

This is one of the ways they're different.

[defendandprotect]

78. Maybe you should check with women about that . . .

[mondo joe]

83. Already done.

If there was a market for male prostitutes for women customers there would be one.

But there's not. Not much, anyway.

[defendandprotect]

85. You've done a survey of all women . . . ????

That reminds me that my husband always thinks that things will proceed in logical ways,
though undeniably various pressures/influences keep that from happening ----

[mondo joe]

89. I didn't know I needed to survey all women. I thought the dozens of close friends over my lifetime

was adequate for the purpose of talking on a message board.

What pressure do you think is preventing women from using male prostitutes?

[defendandprotect]

96. dupe

dupe

[defendandprotect]

97. If I had to guess . . .

I'd say that men do not want to see other men exploited in the same ways that females are exploited
in prostitution rings ---

Also, again, the too frequent desire to dominate and to use physical violence by males make it
riskier for females ---

I think you'd have to open the question here and see what kind of responses you get ---
including asking how often women give this any thought ---
and what keeps this from happening . . . in the ways they would want it to happen.

Otherwise, you have to believe that they disinterested --- ???
I say NO ---

[mondo joe]

98. Did you survey all men?

:rofl:

Men don't give a shit about other men getting paid to have sex. I mean some freaks like Antoin Scalia might, but not most ordinary men.

There are plenty of male prostitutes with gay male customers - the best known of which are practically celebrities, not shameful secrets. Men don't generally care how much sex other men have, or if they're paid for it.

Women aren't disinterested in casual sex - they can have it for the asking, if they're willing to be flexible in their standards (as menwho use prostitutes are).

[defendandprotect]

102. As I said, it was a "guess" . . .

Of course men worry that males will be laughed at ---
downgraded ---

Men understand that when one male is made fun of it makes them all look ridiculous ---
and they're quick to respond to that ---

Yes, there are homosexual prostitutes who thrive . . . and many other males forced into
sexual service against their will who are not thriving --- just as females are forced into'
sexual service domestically and internationally against their will!

You're repeating the same stuff over and again ---
You have to absorb SOMETHING of the reply ---
Casual sex and sexual services available for money are TWO different things ---
BOTH genders can have casual sex --- though there are more encumberances for females who
run families/relationships, etal --- care for children more often. That changes the playing
field making opportunity more like for males than females.

[mondo joe]

104. I understand what you've said. I just don't agree.

:hi:

[Threedifferentones]

154. Why would someone absorb statements that are contradcitary?

First you say all men are quick to respond when one is denigrated or humiliated, as if men are some monolithic force united to oppress women.

Then you admit that many times men dominate each other just as badly as men sometimes dominate women, sometimes even sexually, which is the exact opposite of the first statement. Your post thus has no real point to absorb.

[raccoon]

133. But it may not be with someone she's attracted to, especially if she's older

and/or not considered attractive, for whatever reason. Not to mention the quality, quite likely, won't be that great.

"they can have it for the asking, "

[mondo joe]

142. Tha's true of men as well. NT

[wolfgangmo]

130. A big difference is that...

Men only hope to get laid when they go out of the house. Women know before they leave the house whether or not they are getting laid.

[seabeyond]

147. this is true. if i want sex... (other than hubby) i know without a doubt i will

get it without paying.

[raccoon]

132. Yep. nt

[alittlelark]

75. Sounds shallow and lazy.

'Fast food' is what it is - cheap and bad for you.

Spend some time and energy.... good things will come your way.

[mondo joe]

79. I dunno - I buy lovely arisinal breads. Do you ever buy bread?

I don't care who wants to have sex with who, or how often, or whether there's pay - as long as they are consenting adults.

I've had my share of casual sex, I've had my share of sex in love. I enjoyed both.

[alittlelark]

91. I bake my own bread.. I have sourdough starter in the fridge.

I could buy the commercial crap if I choose.

I choose instead to make my own bread (except during the height of summer... salads and BBQ anyway).



Bottom line - do you choose to LIVE LIFE... or do you just grab at it as it passes by (think sushi boats).

[mondo joe]

93. Life is made up of a lot of things.

As a gay man, I've seen enough narrow minded sexual judgment.

I rather consider sexuality to be a pretty broad category that can include quite a lot, from the ridiculous to the sublime.

[alittlelark]

100. As a hetero female who had 1 Lesbian +1 gay male as

College roommates (the gay roommate cooked a MEAN Posole and baked his own bread) I can say I have seen narrow minded people as well....

They would not rent to us.



I do understand what you are trying to say...... basically 'que sera, sera'......



But the bigger picture is the 'fast food lifestyle'. Sure it may be fast, cheap, easy, convenient..... but what are you getting? Does it improve you as a human being? Do you feel good about where it came from? Are the 'animals' being treated humanely? Is there disease in the meat? ...........

Maybe you should head home for a freshly cooked dinner instead - or learn to cook for yourself.

[mondo joe]

103. Sometimes you want home made bread, sometimes you want a Krispy Kreme.

I'm carrying the food analogy for a reason - it's also about appetite, gratification, pleasure and choice.

I'm a major foodie. There's not a cuisine or food style I don't enjoy, as a category. Nothing wrong with home made, nothing wrong with healthy, and nothing wrong with a fast or convenient treat.

[alittlelark]

106. Krispy Kremes are a great snack food if you have no respect for your body.

They are filled with toxic partially hydrogenated oils.... and they taste soooo gooooood.


They ROCK !!!!


How do you feel in the hours AFTER eating that Krispy Kreme? That belt must have shrunk in the wash.....

Are you proud to be a Homo Sapien Sapien who has eaten a Krispy Kreme?


It's all about respect for your 'SELF'.... as well as your 'INNER-SELF'.


Get out of the American 'want - must have- now' mentality.


It's not just American, but it is primarily male.

[mondo joe]

109. Oh I couldn't disagree more.

I care about my body. I run 5 miles a day a few days a week, eat primarily locally grown and organic food, and more critically whole foods.

And now and then I enjoy a donut. (Actually, not Krispy Kreme but a local bakery.)

You can live your life in some sort of sack cloth puritanism if you like, but please don't pretend others don't respect themselves just because they don't adhere to your limited worldview.

We know you respect yourself - try to respect others' agency in their own lives now. :-)

[alittlelark]

114. I indulge in a certain organic Palo Alto bakeries cakes....

.... to the point of OVER-indulging. Exquisite dark chocolate orgasms..... honestly... damn. Hubby must be kept from the largesse for he will consume it all at 2am if the kids and I are not vigilant. We always have 'the good stuff' in the house.... we try to restrain... we do it by recognizing that there are other people in the house, and the 'cake' must be shared equally.

Even still - I know where the last slice is.... I know where slices from years past are.... I KNOW.


I choose to utilize that info w/ my brain.

[youthere]

138. You and mondo joe have to stop this...I'm getting hungry.

:rofl:

[kittykitty]

62. or, as Whoopie said on "The View", an affair requires emotion, and a prostitute doesn't

[Amelie]

156. I don't know who said it

But I've heard that you don't pay for the sex; you pay them to leave.

[seabeyond]

160. don't know who said ... the john that doesnt want to look pathetic

pay for sex....
pay to leave

lets the man feel much more self righteous in choice.

[seabeyond]

145. of course it swings both ways and the woman gets to find a man to satisfy her too..

then both can be getting fucked outside the marriage, .... and????? whatever

[NC_Nurse]

13. Chickenshits. They either can't deal with a real relationship or they

can't deal with getting their partner/wife to meet their needs, or leave and find
a mate who will meet their needs. So they buy what they need.

Most probably just need some therapy - but they'd rather spend their money on something
that they will never get enough of because it's just a replacement for the real thing.

[mondo joe]

18. Or they don't want a relatinship. There are men and women who fit that bill.

I don't think people who want sex without relationships are replacing "the real thing". I think they don't want the thing you consider real.

[NC_Nurse]

25. I hadn't considered that. I was thinking about those who are hiring

prostitutes on the side. You're right. If you don't want a relationship at that time, I suppose that is different,
although you don't have to have another person to have sex if you don't want a relationship. It can be done alone.

[mondo joe]

28. Ah, I understand. And I do think cheating on a spouse is unacceptable.

:hi:

[NC_Nurse]

30. Me too.

And sadly, that's what seems to happen a lot with these politicians...


:hi:

[canadian_is_cold]

14. Idiots

[Firespirit]

16. Men.

[SidDithers]

27. Exactly...nt

Sid

[cooolandrew]

20. I can see why the need for single men and those women find unattactive but not if your married.

I think it should be legal but not advertised job vacancy. This is imporant as it would dramtically slowdown the spread of infections, if all street workers were made to be tested and use protection. I know some women say exploitation but not really it is a persons freechoice to take that route. Wehter folks approve or disapprove it will go on much like abortion really.

[sampsonblk]

22. I have no problem with it. No worse than gambling or other vices.

If they both want to do it, and he wants to pay, what's the problem? Its hers. She should be able to sell it if she wants to.

[tkmorris]

23. I think...........

There are so many different reasons a man turns to a prostitute that it would be sheer folly to attempt to paint all of them with a single brush.

So I don't.

[DavidMS]

26. If they are paying over 2500/htr

I wonder exactly who is being taken advantage of.

I think its a private decision between consenting adults.

Regulate, Tax Inspect.

If a partner (wife, girlfriend) finds out she can dump him or divorce him (unless of course there is an arrangement).

I just don't see it as criminal. But I also wouldn't ever pay for sex either.

[madinmaryland]

34. One Question for you Dave...

If it is legalized, would you be worried about Halliburten or DuPont providing these services?

Enron maybe?

[PinkTiger]

31. Stupid johns.

But some people are crazy. They think if they don't have to pay a big price for it, it ain't worth having. i say, if I got to pay for it, it ain't worth having, especially if it is sex you are talking about. Now if somebody wants to pay me, that's fine. But not when we are having sex. I want them to pay me with kindness and love, and gratitude. But not money. That's cheap. Very Cheap.

[Bright Eyes]

35. I say "lowlifes".

[camillus]

118. Yep

Married 20 years, three teenage daughters. "Low life" pretty well fits the bill.

[MrSlayer]

37. I don't care who anyone fucks.

And if you can paid doing it, good for you. Whether or not someone uses a prostitute or is a prostitute is irrelevant to me. As long as you aren't a pedophile or a rapist, do whatever you want.

[madinmaryland]

44. Your daughter?

:shrug:

[mondo joe]

51. You didn't ask me, but: I want my daughters to do what they want to do.

I don't expect to like their every choice - or to know about it.

Do you ask your parents to approve of everything you do sexually?

[seabeyond]

148. but if yu are so respectful of the job, then it would not be a matter of "dislike"

this is the hypocrisy. it is a respectful and fine job from a mans perspective as they use these women, but not something they would be "comfortable" with for a female they love. (sister, mother or daughter). and comfortable is the least of feelings.

hypocrisy 101 that no male will acknowlege.

at least have the balls to say,

bull if i want daughter to do it, but i like it so fuck the female. she wants that is fine. but mine arent doing it

[mondo joe]

153. Firstly, I was referring not to the job but the principle that others' sex lives are not my business

With regard to myself and my daughters: I'm a gay man, so I don't have sex with any women at all, let alone prostitutes.

I wouldn't pick prostitution as MY choice for my daughters any more than I would scrubbing floors or working at McDonalds. None of them are great jobs.

[seabeyond]

157. thanks for your post

and an honest, not conditioned response.

[MrSlayer]

63. I hope I'll do better than having my daughter become a prostitute.

If, despite my best efforts and provided education and love, she somehow ends up in that situation by her own choice as an adult then hell, what am I going to do? I'd hope she was getting the 5 grand an hour.

[fujiyama]

111. Good post. I'd believe most parents would think that way.

You hope for the best for loved ones, even if they take choices you disagree with. And if prostitution was actually regulated rather than taken underground, it would likely reduce the pimps, the exploitation, and the violence.

[seabeyond]

150. so you are saying the women are there because they have had fucked up childhood

lack opportunity and use this as a means to survive

and men get off on that

[ourbluenation]

158. Hmmm. so what if you had a daughter and her husband was going to hookers w/out her knowledge and

consent. Or a son, who's wife was screwing every neighbor on the block. Be honest. Sometimes we do care who people fuck.

[seabeyond]

159. or say.... his daughter is being fucked and paid for it. good for her? n/t

[alarimer]

39. Scum.

Losers.

It's just really pathetic.

I actually have more sympathy for people who have regular affairs. At least sometimes they are actually in love with that other person. Not that it makes it okay but buying it is just so gross and disgusting.

[Hippo_Tron]

41. Depends on the circumstances

If prostitution were legal I wouldn't give a shit if Spitzer was hiring prostitutes. I don't expect politicians to be upstanding moral citizens, I expect them to do their jobs and do them well.

[madinmaryland]

49. On the other hand, they have been ELECTED by the people

and there are expectations of them. At the bare minimum (sorry about that), they should be concerned about and RESPECT the laws of their land.

just sayin'

[Hippo_Tron]

56. Oh absolutely

That's why I added the qualified "if it were legal" I would have no problem with it. Spitzer broke the law and needs to resign because of that alone.

[madinmaryland]

60. Do you think prostitution should be legal?

and what would be legal?

[Hippo_Tron]

113. I do think it should be legal

It has pretty much been around since the beginning of civilization and like drugs, we can't make it go away by criminalizing it. Legalize it so that the women who choose to be prostitutes are protected under the law.

[Warpy]

42. I consider them men who want sex with no emotional ties

that might jeopardize a good marriage or a good single lifestyle.

[defendandprotect]

54. What is sex without emotion . . . ???

Even "The Graduate" finally wanted some emotion --- something to make a connection ---

Of course, Mrs. Robinson wasn't a prostitute ---

I think women can very well understand the need for no entanglements ---
no guy living with you --- a string of every night being Saturday night ---
we shouldn't give that up -- and marriage doesn't really have that ---
never will.

[mondo joe]

55. Sex doesn't require love. I hope that's not really news to you. Casual sex has been

a fairly common thing for a few decades now.

[defendandprotect]

57. I didn't say "love" . . . I said EMOTION . . .

I don't think they're necessarily the same ---

And, yes, of course, there are times when just an encounter with other "flesh" is all anyone wants . . .

and maybe even it goes on $80,000 worth ---

Needless to say, marriage is often smothering these emotions ---

[mondo joe]

58. I dunno. I had sex wth a guy just so he'd shut up once. I guess my emotion was

relief. I imagine both customer and prostitute have some emotion as well.

[defendandprotect]

61. I think there are "emotions" involved in the desire for a prostitute ....

and in the encounter ---

[mondo joe]

66. Well...you asked what is sex without emotion.

Of course no one said men who use prostitutes want sex without emotion - what was said was without emotional TIES, which is something different.

[defendandprotect]

70. Right . . . in response to "Warpy's" msg above mine . . .

I consider them men who want sex with no emotional ties
that might jeopardize a good marriage or a good single lifestyle.

Granted "emotional ties" suggests something of some duration ---
maybe a weekend?
On the other hand, Spitzer spent $80,000 on these services so he must have felt something,
even if only addiction --- !!!

[mondo joe]

71. Emotion and emotional ties are different things.

I'm sure Spitzer felt something. But I don't think he was seeking an emotional tie, nor do I think most people who use prostitutes are.

[defendandprotect]

76. True -- as I said . . .

No -- I agree, not emotion ties --

but I do think that there is a great deal of EMOTION . . . and emotional HIGHS in using
a prostitute --- if this really happened.

The sense of adventure -- of doing something out of the ordinary -- something secret ---
and having sex touted at the website to be quite special --- sex for the "rich and famous" ---!!!

[Thothmes]

146. Actually a few thousand years would be my estimate

[Warpy]

64. A good sex worker knows how to fake such a connection

but face it, some men will simply prefer uncomplicated, no strings, transactional sex for the reasons I listed.

[defendandprotect]

74. True . . . and be good enough at it to keep the guy from knowing that ---!!!

Bringing to mind again, "Harry & Sally" and the scene where she does a fake orgasm --

And even easier to fake, a few hours of interest in a guy stroking his ego ----

but at the end of the day, the guy has to notice that he got this stuff for a chunk of money.


Let's also understand --- and I don't think that males here get it --- that WOMEN also
prefer, at times, to have "uncomplicated, no strings" sex ---

and since so much of the responsibility for relationships falls on females ---
they may be looking for this more often than males. Are there equal opportunities? No.

[mondo joe]

77. Oh wait - I fully get that women sometimes want uncomplicated sex too.

Women don't generally have to pay to get it. Women - in the hetero world - are the gatekeepers of sex.

It's the rare women who wants casual sex who can't get it just by saying so.

That's the case for hetero men far less often.

If women wanted to use prostitutes as often as men, there'd be a lot more of it. There are certainly enough women who can afford it to create a market.

The simple fact is that it's something men are more willing to pay for than women are.

[defendandprotect]

92. Totally untrue . . . because males still have

physical power on their side and are still too willing to use it --

PLUS, males have ratted out females when affairs don't go the way they want them to --

There's more to casual sex when you're adult than just "saying so" ---

There are more complications -- family, children -- the hubby ---

And, there's an interesting OLD, OLD film being reaired on TNT recently called "Female" ....
which is about this subject --- but in the end there is the "Hays Office" cave in to marriage!

The desire was obvious in the movie --- that the men couldn't handle it was also the very
honest way it was played in the movie . .
and in fact the marriage comes about because "Mr. Wonderful" arrives and he can't handle it!!

[mondo joe]

95. Again, if women desired the use of male prostitutes there'd be a market for it.

There is a market, but a very modest one.

But women can, and do, have casual sex without paying for it. Hetero men do to - when women are willing.

[defendandprotect]

99. Males have been in control for thousands of years . . .

women have had better paying salaries for only a short time --
there is no way to judge the level of desire by what's happening right now --

Again -- patriarchy doesn't want males seen as being exploited -- "used" in the same
ways that female prostitutes are ---

That's also one of the big threats to patriarchy from homosexuality . . .
with the "top" and "bottom" positions becoming important -- and
being on the bottom indicating being female.

Men also have casual sex without paying for it --- that's not the question we're discussing.

Let me suggest that you open this up to a question/poll ---
this would be the time with everyone questioning Spitzer's behavior . . .

[mondo joe]

101. Men and women both have disposable income that tends to get spent in different ways.

You can believe it's because of oppression or you can accept that men and women have their own will and choices, and tend to choose differently.

I think your idea about men not wanting to see other men prostituted is just silly, and doesn't meet any reality of men I've known in 43 years.

[defendandprotect]

116. Women are still paid 75% less than males . . . try that one on--!!

Addtionally, it is females sitting in the outer offices still -- and males in the executive offices.

Who just spent $80,000 on a prostitute . . . Mr. Spitzer or Mrs. Spitzer --- ???

You can continue on trying to suggest that women don't want the same sexual conveniences ---
probably on an improved level -- but the same kind of access that males have to being serviced --
but there is no way of knowing that except your own bias.

Evidently you also don't know much about males and patriarchy ---

I think we've come to the end of any value in this exchange ---

ta-ta

[mondo joe]

139. Women can afford to keep Jimmy Choo in business. They could suport a market for male prostitutes if

they cared to. Most prostitutes don't cost $80k.

[lukasahero]

135. There are reasons women may be less inclined to use male prostitutes

One of which defendandprotect touched upon: physical power. Women, were they to pay a man for sex, could never be sure she would be safe. I think women have, generally speaking, learned to accommodate themselves. Reasons for that being left up to debate.

[mondo joe]

140. But in the end you're agreeing: it's not something women seem to wish to purchase.

There's no conspiracy to keep women from paying male prostitutes. There's just no market.

[lukasahero]

134. Just to clarify something here, the use of "physical power"

moves the discussion from sex to rape.

[Frank Cannon]

144. Like they say, you don't pay to have sex with a prostitute

You pay them to go away afterwards.

[boobooday]

43. Sad, pathetic. n/t

[razors edge]

45. Human.

With all the nasty habits that come with being one.

But cheaters are bad, pay or no pay.

[Beregond2]

47. What...?

Human.

[defendandprotect]

48. From what others are saying about the "Emperor" website . . .

it seems to be based on EGO/STATUS ---

it's circular thinking . . . . if you have $ . . . you're a success . . .
and you deserve to spend it on sex . . .

and if you're paying for it . . . it's sex for the "rich and famous" . . . ???

Rather an old fashioned idea --- speak to the ego ---

Ego and blow jobs --- a sense of adventure -- keeping a powerful secret ---

being made to feel attractive by someone you're paying --- !!!

[GeorgeGist]

59. losers

[opihimoimoi]

67. nornal.....

[Zorra]

81. Yep. Prostitution is generally referred to as the world's oldest profession.

If that doesn't mean that it is normal for men to procure the services of a prostitute, then what is normal?

[Greyhound]

68. Horny, without the means or wherewithal to get sex in the "socially acceptable"

ways tolerated by our master's assigned bosses.

[madinmaryland]

73. How does that explain Spitzer?

[Greyhound]

105. He would fall into the wherewithal category, with a side of American Hypocrisy. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

80. Losers.

Anybody who has to pay for it is pathetic.

And if I found out any husband of mine had bought $80,000 worth of hooker services, there would be hell to pay...

[noamnety]

82. Male supremacists with a sense of entitlement. (nt)

[madinmaryland]

84. Yes. n/t

[devilgrrl]

94. Someone who wants to get their freak on. Or someone desperately lonely.

:shrug:

[fujiyama]

108. I have to say it's hard to feel sorry for him

He had the world going for him. A good family - a wife that seems accomplished and attractive, and two daughters. He won the NY gubernatorial election in a massive landslide. He had a ton of opportunities to capitalize on all the good he did as attorney general. He was still a hugely popular figure in NY politics even though he had a rough first year in office.

And he threw it ALL away!

Staggering hypocrisy and a major disappointment for someone I had a lot of admiration for.

[Hawaii Hiker]

112. I find absolutely nothing wrong with consenting adults engaging in prostitution at all

Besides, in the high end scene, the girls are model pretty & the sex is beyond thunderdome....

Alot of people on this thread are quite judgemental on this topic, perhaps you should consider posting on a right-wing site, where you can pontificate on your holier than thou morals & values garbage....

There's nothing wrong with being single, just because some people don't have success in "regular" relationships, that doesn't make them the "Worst Person in the World"....It's difficult to meet people & be compatible (what is the divorice rate?, 55% or so, so obviously things don't often work out for alot of people)...

I make NO apologies for seeing escorts....

[EFerrari]

115. None of my business.

[Yavin4]

117. I Don't Judge What Consenting Adults Do In The Privacy

of their homes that does not injure anyone else.

[timtom]

119. Men who have serious integrity issues.

[question everything]

120. Normal human beings who, for some reason, do not have a partner

yet who need to satisfy their normal sexual drive.

Prostitution should not be a crime. We should regulate them like it is done in other countries, make sure that they provide safe and clean service and, yes, pay taxes.

[hyphenate]

121. I can't judge

anyone who goes to a prostitute outside of marriage. I've never been in their shoes, and I can't say I understand their reasoning.

On the subject of prostitution itself, I think what passes for it nowadays is so far afield what it was over 100 years ago, that in some cases, a woman who will take it up as a career in the present is light years away from the pathetic examples of the 19th century: alcoholics, no husband (usually dead), bad health to begin with, no family, no means of support. Today's prostitutes don't complete that same frame of reference completely, though some might have circumstances near to it.

Is there a difference between a high priced call girl and a prostitute in today's world? Oh, heavens, yes! It's how others see them that is different as well. Those who elect to work as call girls seem to have a different view of themselves than those who are downtrodden and work the streets. Some might even say they're enlightened because they use their own body as their sole commodity to earn their living. :shrug: It seems to work for them.

[theboss]

122. Grandpa?

He once told a story at Thanksgiving about how a local business leader was not a moral man because he once ran into him at a whorehouse.

Swear to Christ.

[eridani]

123. "Well if you want that kind of love--

--then you don't need none of mine.
So don't come home a drinkin'
With lovin' on your mind."

[arthritisR_US]

125. hard to please n/t

[TZ]

128. If the men in question are unmarried and unattached

and use protection, I don't have an issue...If they cheat on their spouse with a prostitute thats a whole nother ball of wax in my book.

[ellie]

149. Idiots that

are opening up their wives or girlfriends to disease. Want to screw someone else? Get divorced.

[eShirl]

152. Human?

Hypocrisy and cheating on one's spouse are worse, IMO. (and also entirely human things to do)

[onecent]

155. HORNEY!

[Homer Wells]

162. Lonely! n/t

[Smith_3]

163. I've done prostittutes. Its legal in the country I live in.

I did it for fun. Was single at the time. When I'm in a relationship I don't do it.