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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:02 PM Original message |
JPM margin call warning - my favourite financial blog says "The Game is Over". Here's why. |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hmmmm? I better plant a bigger garden this year. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. cash meaning cash in hand? |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. An FDIC insured account does you no good... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. elsewhere a DUer posted that there is often language in mortgage docs |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
59. Even so.. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. My guess is that if the bank were to go into default |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. That might be the case. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. What loan? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. FDIC is there to protect the banks, not the depositors, no matter what they tell you. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
66. Why are you assuming all of the banks are going to fail? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. "One guy on one blog"? GMAFB |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Well show the proof that Bank of America et al are on the brink of failure |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. agreed... but |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. It doesn't start with the Bank of America. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
90. what about pensions like TERS and PERS? |
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Snarkoleptic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Your lender can only demand payment in full... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. you may have just answered a question I raised down thread... |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
107. Perhaps, but most loans aren't owned by banks, and in many cases, the ones that ARE... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. As long as too many banks don't fail |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. yes, that is the best place for your money |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. How bilblical and ironic... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. That is the best use of a Bible quote in context that I have seen in awhile |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. typical term of margin call is 72 hours |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. IF and When |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. It reads like there are levels - top bank |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That's how I read it too. |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. So this 'margin calling' process could go on for weeks/months |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yes. Don't expect this to all unwind within the next six months. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. It reads like.. if a bank can't pay the margin |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thanks for posting this here |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. How can they call in home loans being paid on time? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. If the value of the home has dropped below the balance owed (it's "under water"), or... |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Thanks - are you then able to make up the diff in the value vs loan? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I think it would depnd on how desperate the lender is. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. as I read the article and the original article from Reuters, |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
58. nah |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. I disagree with you that "call" clauses in mortgage loans are common in the U.S. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. How about, "For sufficiently small values of 'common'"? |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
82. Breach of covenant. That said, no one wants to do that. This line of thought is dumb. |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. I advised someone around here to do just this |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I've been toying w/doing this but am scared. Have lost $25K since Oct and wanted to see if it'd |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. my relatives I mention are still *waiting* too ... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
103. Can you risk losing it all? Take what you have left out NOW! |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I'm not really in the stock market, have money market fund |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Perhaps they're still getting income |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. if they lost 60% of what they have |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. "survive on a 90% income cut " |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. I'll be in a house |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
62. Yes but typically... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Forget the insurance, it is only as good as the resources it has to cover the losses |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. try a credit union |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. From what I understand, the credit union I do business with |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. wow that is really scary |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. then you have an odd credit union |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. FDIC to Add Staff as Bank Failures Loom |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
25. So this is why the preparations for martial law |
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williesgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. If martial law is declared, do banks shut down? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I suspect they've seen this coming for the last couple of years. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. this is why they have been ramping up the infrastructure of the police state since reagan |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
34. As someone who knows |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I'd pay off debt if it was me |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Thanks. |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. you are very welcome |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Good luck, CAV - |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I was really just saying, "Stay out of the F'ing Stock Market!!!1!11!" |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Haha! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
43. I will fight their call in with bullets. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
44. How can you fuck up a nation in only 8 years? |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. "We mucopurulent republicon homelanders have our ways. Shock and awe, baby." - Commander AWOL |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. It dawned on me yesterday what they mean by 'fight them over there |
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CGowen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
45. The Fed will probably pay it |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. Saying that banks will call in your mortgage loan is a straight up untruth |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. We'll see. I'd expect a series of widening ripples as the level of desperation increases. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. You clearly don't understand what is happening. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I agree with you about banks. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
83. You do not understand real estate. Real estate is not liquid. There's no "cash" there. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Well that's a relief, then. We'll all get to keep our homes. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #87 |
93. The home mortgages that banks called in during the Great Depression |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
57. I'm going to get drunk. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
63. DOOOO OO O oo oo oooo o mmmmmmm!!!1111 |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
67. Cash is NOT king when there is no gold standard... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It sure beats Nortel shares... |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yes it does and I am glad to hear you sounding warning bells. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Regarding Zimbabwe |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Let's see if they get to the level of post-WW1 Germany... |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
72. foreclosing on homes |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
73. K & R. I feel sick to my stomach. |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Ditto! K&R nt |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
80. I thought it was illegal to call in a loan like that if the borrower's making his payments on time. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. It depends on the mortgage. There are "demand clauses" in some that could have that result |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
81. what do they think they'll get from students? |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. garnish future wages? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. I think we're going to see a huge wave of personal bankruptcies as this juggernaut gets rolling |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Bankruptcy rate in 2008 is expected to equal the rate during the Republican Great Depression. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
91. Cash is crap right now. Gold is king. |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
92. morning kick |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
95. Fuck em |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Life in the mountains is a real struggle. First there are critters you don't have to contend with i... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
96. And still Dubai builds and builds and builds...... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
97. that's the problem -- cash is king -- where do you put your cash? |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
98. WRONG! |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Wow, such sage advice |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Yeah, those stupid hedge funds and the Fed - what do they know about anything? |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
102. i'm sitting on a stack of cash-is it safer buying a tbill through a brokerage or treasury direct ? |
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NanBo (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
104. they all need the money back |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
105. afternoon kick |
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bain_sidhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
106. Breathing a sigh of relief |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
108. Sorry I'm too late to recommend. Nice find, GliderGuider! |
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