The Manifesto of the Communist Party: 8 Minute Cartoon- BRILLIANT!

[Orwellian_Ghost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1IME451NDY

[tekisui]

1. Power To The People!!!!!

[stimbox]

2. I LOVE this video.

You should post it in the video section.



Image from Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart

[whistle]

3. Images stolen fair and square from capitalist film moguls by your local communist

... internet concept redistribution brotherhood :yoiks:

[mikelewis]

4. All Marx managed to accomplish was tyrranny...

And a rose by any other name is still a rose... Tyranny is tyranny is tyrrany...


Communism fails because it fails to address the demons that reside in the heart of Man. In fact, Mr. Marx didn't even believe in such nonsense... "opiate for the masses", I believe was his opinion... yet assuming Man could fight Devils by pretending they didn't exist has turned out to be a George Bushian strategy at best. I like Engels and Marx, I think their head was in the right place... but their heart wasn't right... and all too often in history, the road to hell becomes paved with good intentions.

This was an enjoyable and provokative film... I'd recommend watching it but would like to counter this propaganda with some of my own...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

A Republic bound and gagged by a Constitutional democracy is a good idea... we should try it sometime...

[Warpy]

6. I find Marx suffered from the same disease as Rand

because for his prescription for change to be followed to the letter, the human race would need to be perfected.

However, Marxism was never really tried. Lenin changed the democratic "dictatorship of the workers" back into an oligarchic system in which the party replaced the aristocracy and its president replaced the Czar. Collective farms replaced feudal fields. The oligarchy still took their profit first.

Most other nominally Communist systems went the same way, recreating feudalism. Others have used it as a stepping stone from oligarchy to a more democratically run mixed economy.

No pure system is ever going to work for long because the human race is not pure.

[El Pinko]

8. To my knowledge, Marx never founded a government.

I enjoyed the film, too and don't have a problem with any of your other comments, but laying the blame for Stalinism and Maoism on Marx is a bit much, like

blaming Adam Smith for Reagan and Bush's bankrupting and destroying America.

Just because someone touts a given intellectuals ideas doesn't mean they uphold them at all.

[depakid]

13. Not to promote of defend Marx, but the American experiment has FAILED

it's archaic system is structurally incapable of responding to feedback and righting itself in the 21st Century.

Its 18th Century locks the country in to a dysfunction political and economic system -one that cannot be addressed through democratic processes, so long as money and corporate power dominate.

The only way to change the root causes of the myriad problems is through Constitutional Amendments that require unattainable supermajorities -essentially, it would require those with power over everything from the media to the lobbies at the national and state legislatures to voluntarily give it up, which historically, doesn't happen absent some major catastrophe.

Which, from all indications -is what America is headed for

[alfredo]

5. Well done.

[On the Road]

7. I Had Actually Never Heard That Before

Is that the whole manifesto? It's great. Very important reading.

[originalpckelly]

10. Err, we've seen how that movie turns out before...

and it don't look pretty.

[stimbox]

11. Did you watch it? Or is it your usual knee-jerk, reactionary anti-communism reaction? n/t

[On the Road]

12. Appreciating the Manifesto Has Nothing to Do with Approving of Stalinism

It is a matter of appreciating class structure and the history of how it's been used historically and the consequences to the workers. For all his historical acumen, Marx had pitifully little to offer in the way of a practical agenda, and as a result the movements he inspired imposed tyrrany rather than freedom. None of that reflects on the historical and social analysis in the Manifesto.

As an MBA and manager at a Forture 500 company, I see every day how much business and govenment is run by macro numbers with no appreciation for the patterns Marx points out. I think it's especially important in our environment to keep that history in mind when setting economic and social policy. Appreciating and using the Manifesto does not need to lead to collectivism.

[originalpckelly]

9. Commie, commie, commie chameleon. You come and go, come and go!